Luka Magotta AKA Eric Newman Trial, Week beginning Oct 27, 2014 - Trial Thread #3

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Domenic Fazioli ‏@DomenicFazioli 3m3 minutes ago

Dr Thomas Barth met with Luka #Magnotta in Berlin prison after his arrest Jun 4, 2012.
 
  • #302
I wonder if Kluka was supposed to be Karla + Luka?

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exactly what I was thinking when I read it, and I would bet YES that was his intention, but then he realised the Kluka sounded completely dumb, so he went with Luka.
 
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 42s 43 seconds ago

Suspending the testimony of current psychiatrist of #Magnotta. Starting instead with psychiatrist Dr. Thomas Barth from Germany.
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 2m 2 minutes ago

Jury is here.#Magnotta trial Day TwentyTwo begins. #CJAD
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 6m 6 minutes ago

Dealing with a few legal matters first. #Magnotta
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Shuyee Lee @sleeCJAD · 7m 7 minutes ago

Getting ready to start. Judge has arrived. #Magnotta
BBM - what does that mean? The defence doesn't want the prison doctor to continue about poor Luka missing his nurse? Poor Luka afraid of the other inmates?
 
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Maybe she's not on the stand today because the psych who is on the stand had to fly here from Germany.

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(Hello to everyone, I'm only reading about this psychopath until today. I'm from Germany and not this good in writing English)

:seeya: Guten Tag Traumelfe , Wie geht es dir ?
Willkommen :welcome:
 
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PSSST!
I just noticed that the thread is labelled 'Luka MAGOTTA' again.
I can't help but chuckle at this typo. :laugh:
 
  • #308
"Yeah, I see where you're coming from but apparently a lot of people with schizophrenia have no insight into their condition"
Lack of insight is one of the things that defines schizophrenia. If one has insight one is not schizophrenic. This doesn't go away, medicated or not, so says my schizophrenic sisters psychiatrist.
LM seems like a pathological liar, a sociopath, maybe a psychopath, but I have never heard any evidence of psychosis so far. It is handy to have a permanent disability on your record to allow for disability payments to roll in regularly. Very kind of his GP to do that. I wonder if ODSP kept rolling in while he was elsewhere than Ontario?

I would actually like to see LM declared criminally insane and sent to Penetanguishene. He is extremely dangerous.
 
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Am back in #Magnotta. On the stand is Thomas Barth, psychiatrist who saw Magnotta in Berlin prison

We're just going over Barth's CV. Guy's been around. Studied in St John's Nfld. (and Toronto and Buenos Aires and Scotland) #magnotta

Barth has been at prison hospital since 2008 where he went to do PhD thesis re sexuality in prison #Magnotta

Barth specializes in forensic psychiatry as of June 2014 #Magnotta

Forensic psychiatry covers legal aspects of people with psychiatric problems. If disease related to crime #Magnotta

Have to say whether someone is sane or insane, Barth says. If people are able to be released from hosp into society. And prisoners too

Forensic expert has to prove whether convicted prisoner can be released into society, Barth says #Magnotta

Barth deals mostly with high profile cases. Most have committed serious crimes like rape, sex abuse of children, murder #Magnotta

Only do expertise on request from court or prosecution, never for the defence, Barth says #Magnotta

Has done 5 cases re criminal responsibility, Barth says. #Magnotta

Has done 60 reports re criminal diagnosis and criminal responsibility, Barth says #Magnotta

Barth met Magnotta on June 11, 2012, a week after #Magnotta's arrest. He was admitted to hospital in Berlin

Looking again at video of cop who arrested #Magnotta. Barth aware of where he was arrested and detention centre where he was brought

#Magnotta was admitted to remand prison a day after his arrest. Had to be seen within 24 hours by doc, by law, re mental and physical ?s

#Magnotta was seen by general practitioner, who noted in file that the arrest warrant mentioned schizophrenia. On suicide watch

The doctor who saw #Magnotta, didn't find any suicide ideation in him. No hallucinations. Time frame was just 10-15 minutes, tho

Barth says there are so many intakes in Berlin detention that doctor can't spend much time with inmates. Doc ordered urgent psych eval

#Magnotta was transferred to prison hospital within the prison. High security. Roughly 5,000 prisoners. Only 28 beds in psych dept

Barth said because so few beds, they can only accept the most serious psych cases. German prisons are very scary places, old, Barth says

Barth says some prisoners try to fake psych problems in order to have few weeks "vacation" from prison. So strict screening #Magnotta

Hospital therefore deals with only severe cases - people who want to hurt themselves or others. No time to deal with neurotics #Magnotta

Patient seen by one of psychiatrists before admission. But #Magnotta was sent by general doc because of media coverage and psych prob

Barth met with #magnotta in patients' library without any attending nurses

The prison hospital is very posh, private hospital, but still a prison, Barth says. In psych dept, nurses v experienced. #magnotta

Prisoners are free to roam around in psych dept - exception in entire institution. Everyone else confined to cells #Magnotta

It's a precious principle cause can't treat severely ill people if they are confined, Barth says. They have art therapy etc. Proud of it

Even have a terrorist who was under security ban and we asked govt to lift this ban so we could properly treat him, Barth says #Magnotta

Barth was aware of #magnotta case via media. He didn't feel any fear, he appeared shy when they met.

Barth wrote report June 18 2012 after #Magnotta was released and sent back to Canada. Diagnosed severe psychotic episode brought on by schiz

Suspected paranoid schizophrenia because only saw #Magnotta for a week. Is most severe diagnosis we can give, so are careful, Barth says

Would need to have observed him for 4 weeks for proper diagnosis Barth met Joel Watts, Cdn psych, in Berlin to discuss extradition#Magnotta

Watts accompanied #magnotta on military plane back to Canada. Barth gave him some meds for the flight

Arrival at Berlin airport was done in discreet manner, Barth said. Took one or two hours till plane left and couldn't leave till it did

#Magnotta was inpatient from June 11 - June 18, Barth says. Suspect schizophrenia because on arrest warrant

Barth asked #Magnotta if he was hearing voices. Is the leading symptom, he says. Magnotta said feels like has radio in head + hears voices

The doctor who saw #Magnotta for 15 - 20 mins didn't note any voices, Barth says.

#Magnotta told Barth that a man named Robin gave him steroids and was making him feel sick. Common that schizophrenic tries to hide symptoms

Barth said they can be distracted and give answer with short interruption, listening to voices telling them what to say. #Magnotta

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#Magnotta was staring, Barth says. Schizophrenics sometimes try to hide symptoms and Barth thought that's what he was trying to do

#Magnotta said Robin was his former boyfriend who tried to poison him. Can't play tennis any more. Barth said he takes these signs serious

Schizophrenics sometimes lose feeling in body. Have to touch head to make sure it's there. Arms and legs heavy, Barth said #Magnotta

#magnotta told Barth that his father was schizophrenic and people made fun of him. Asked to close window, even though hot. Felt observed

#Magnotta mentioned a medication. He just changed subject from sentence to sentence, Barth says. Shows he is trying to work with me

His intention was to work with me and to tell me his problems, but presented everything within minutes. I didn't even ask #magnotta

#Magnotta mentioned Manny, 30-year-old white American, pimp and former boyfriend. Manny worked with Stephen Harper, Magnotta told him

I didn't know what he was talking about but I just let him talk, Barth says. Manny forced #magnotta not to take anti psychotic meds

#Magnotta drove to Miami with Manny, who forced M to eat feces and drink urine, beat him. Forced him to do sex videos and sold them

#magnotta mentioned "she" and then said "she is a witch" Barth said

This could be seen as manipulative, defence lawyer Leclair says. Were your antennae up? #Magnotta

Barth says this behaviour raises suspicion. You can fake it, of course. #Magnotta

It's sophisticated, Barth says. Have to be aware you can fail in your assessments. #Magnotta

You can't keep faking though, Barth says. In hospital you are under observation of v experienced nurses and docs observing you #Magnotta

break in #Magnotta
 
  • #311
Maybe she's not on the stand today because the psych who is on the stand had to fly here from Germany.

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I think this is correct. Wasn't aware that this was live testimony and not recorded. So if there is a witness here from Germany who has a time frame, then they will be put on, out of order, to accommodate them.

MOO
 
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QUOTED FROM ABOVE:

Barth says this behaviour raises suspicion. You can fake it, of course. #Magnotta


I don't think he's truly NCR. :thinking:
 
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QUOTED FROM A POSTER ABOVE:

I would actually like to see LM declared criminally insane and sent to Penetanguishene. He is extremely dangerous.


I respectfully disagree. I don't think Penetang is the place for him........ I do agree that he's dangerous. So - PRISON!
 
  • #314
Personally I think you can keep faking it. Especially if you have a parent as an example. And the way he was just throwing out everything while he was incarcerated in Berlin indicates to me that he does fake it. He's got a core "story" that he uses with regards to voices and then throws in other stuff to cover his tracks. Throwing in the Harper reference in Berlin gives it away for me. He knew that, besides the murder and uploading the video of it, the next worst thing he did was drag Harper's name into it. So he had to cover and get that name out there as part of his "illness". Seems like the first time he's ever mentioned him.

MOO
 
  • #315
I also think he's faking it. BUT I'm afraid this witness might help the jury reach an NCR verdict. I wish the witness would talk about the fact that LM was on the run after a brutal killing in Canada! LM's responses do seem very planned out. Just like his running away to Paris & Berlin.
 
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Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 6m6 minutes ago
Jury back in court. We'll continue with testimony from Dr. Barth. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 6m6 minutes ago
Witness says didn't ask many questions, didn't force #Magnotta to talk.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
We're back in #Magnotta with continuation of Barth testimony. Magnotta wanted to see his grandma, whom he hadn't seen in 2 years

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
When #Magnotta mentioned a she and that she's a witch and he asked about that,said he hadn't seen grandmother in awhile & wanted to see her.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
#Magnotta talked about stepfather who pressed him into wall until he couldn't breath,kept saying "she'a witch,I hate her, hate my mother."

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 5m5 minutes ago
#magnotta said mother was alcoholic and his stepfather beat him. He mentioned witch again. "Shes a witch. I hate her, I hate my mother"

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 5m5 minutes ago
Witness said had impression that back and forth discussion of #Magnotta seemed confused, appeared disturbed.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta appeared disturbed during his entire stay. Moved a bit slowly, spoke slowly. Hardly maintained eye contact. Staring into void

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 4m4 minutes ago
#Magnotta's behaviour appeared from first moment a bit strange, Barth says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta was in conditions where almost everyone would be in stress but was more than I was used to, Barth said. Tried to make him comfy

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
Behaviour appeared a bit strange,staring into void, seemed to be disturbed and disstressed, more so than other patients. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta given double room all to himself. Taken to room where patients watch tv and have meals.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta had a double room to himself. Hospital has living room with TV where prisoners eat meals, which we wanted to encourage

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta spent most of the time in his room with the door closed.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta spent most of time in his room, with door closed, but he ate with other inmates. He received letters and postcards, Barth says

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Library is place where inmates can sit and read - 1000 books in different languages, Barth says #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Barth took #magnotta to his office without guards because he felt comfortable.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness was in very close contact with #Magnotta while talking to him, kind of atmosphere they prefer at the hospital.
 
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So the doctor who sees mentally ill patients regularly found his behaviour odd? Probably because he's not used to someone willing to FAKE it to that extreme.

MOO
 
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Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 4m4 minutes ago
On #Magnotta report that covers his life story, history.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta started off with where he was born.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
On sexuality and relationships: witness says would always ask open ended questions. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Witness says #Magnotta told him didn't want to talk about forced sex with stepmother when he was 16.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says #Magnotta was feeling unwell about talking about such topics.

Steven Chmielash ‏@s_chmielash · 2m2 minutes ago
Barth doesn't force patients to talk about something if they don't want it. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
Sexuality can be difficult topic for people even without psych problems, Barth says. We don't ask about crime they committed #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Witness says they don't force patients if they don't want to talk. Never ask about the crime they committed. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
In cases patient is psychotic, usually means there's trauma so don't force them to talk. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Psychotic means you are in a world that is not shared by others and you heard maybe voices by persons who are not around. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Back to sexuality and relationships: many homosexual relationships, when asked about sexual orientation, #Magnotta said was uncertain.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta said was homosexual or bisexual, feel like a woman in my body.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 1m1 minute ago
#Magnotta told Barth about numerous homosexual relationships. Said he was uncertain about orientation. Sometimes feels like woman

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 56s57 seconds ago
Stepmother wanted to have sex with me but I didn't want to, I don't want to talk about it, want to forget about it, #Magnotta told witness.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
Many homosexual relationships, how #Magnotta appeared? He told me he had sex with many men,

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 56s56 seconds ago
#Magnotta had sex with his step mother and at first it was fun but didn't want to do it again. Started talking about Ron. Ron a liar

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 56s57 seconds ago
#Magnotta reported stereotypically without emotions, sometimes more distressed or anxious.

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 3m3 minutes ago
#Magnotta said he had sex with several men. He told story without emotions. sometimes seemed more distressed and fearful, Barth says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
For all other questions, appeared to be unemotional, no expression. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 3m3 minutes ago
Reported in a way that was not himself. #Magnotta

suemontgomery ‏@MontgomerySue · 2m2 minutes ago
#Magnotta spoke about things in a way as if he wasn't talking about himself, Barth says

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Jumping from topic to topic? Always have idea patient is faking symptoms, ask if they hear voices, try to hide symptoms. #Magnotta

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 2m2 minutes ago
Way #Magnotta presented, not a cheater who tried to fake psychotic symptoms.

Shuyee Lee ‏@sleeCJAD · 1m1 minute ago
There was no acting. He presented his thoughts and feelings, not robotic, decelerated, didn't look at me, monotone voice. #Magnotta
 
  • #320
Seriously? Everything LM does is monotone, unemotional and dramatic. IMO he IS acting. Or at least thinks he is.

MOO
 
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