I'm just the messenger, the pictures tell the story. Damon's bed was made because he usually slept with Devon. They both look made in the picture of Devon's bedroom. The bottom bunk has an extra blanket on it. Neither boy was using a blanket from his bed that night.justice2 said:
I agree that Helena was a nut-case and wasn't involved.beesy said:
G.I.RattlesnakeJane said:
I just wanted to say we must be about the same age! I read Fatal Vision for the first time in the 7th grade! I even did a book report on it. I used the diagram of the apartment for my poster! Nowadays, they'd send me to a shrink. I think we should move anymore actual analyzing of the case to one of the Mac boards. http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=7468328#post7468328KatiesMom said:
There's no evidence against Darin. All of our talk about him downstairs when Damon was stabbed, etc, is just talk, theory. Nothing points to him. If he had been trying to kill Darlie, I think he would have killed her first. Then the boys. Darin and Darlie had/have a strange love, neither one treated the other very well, but I always see them as wanting to be with each other rather than with the boys. I don't think he wanted to kill Darlie. If he did, he would have left her by now. He bragged about her beauty and breast size in the family waiting room. She was status to him. Is this why he called her fat? He didn't want her to slip off of that podium? Because of that, she could control him. Losing her would be losing his trophy. I think they both believed they loved/love each other, but it's not a normal type of thing.G.I.RattlesnakeJane said:
No, I don't think it was about Darlie and Darin breaking up. I think it was probably more about Darlie and Darin staying united. I think whatever arguing they did that night ended with "better them than us" or "its the only way."justice2 said:
Well, obviously they discussed the problem of fingerprints getting on the knife handle. I think she planned on placing the knife on the floor, probably wiped clean of prints, and then the thing with Damon happened. Either the knife never made it to the floor or she had to pick it up suddenly to use again. Then she left it on the counter with the handle pointiing to the family room and didn't realize it until that moment the knife issue came up on the call. Suddenly she has a problem and the first thing she can think of is that her prints are on it!!! She has got to make sure people know that she picked up the knife so they won't think she used the knife. That is why she keeps on saying it to whoever will listen, even at the hospital all day that day. She has to make sure that several people know that her prints on the knife were from her picking it up. That seems not well planned to me, like a mistake that is being corrected.justice2 said:
No but other people have and we can use their reactions as a guide to what the majority might do or not do. No one is convicting Darlie on her reactions but once you judge the physical evidence, it is only natural to turn to the defendant's behaviors for further proof. Sadly, it is well known that parents who lose their children to sudden violence thru no fault of their own do not concern themselves with fingerprints on a murder weapon whether they picked it up or not. Esp not to the extreme that Darlie did. She told everyone about those prints, never once asking about her children. Not even asking to see their bodies, etc. Her last vision of them was their bloodied bodies and she acts like, "O, well, that's over. Now let's do the funeral and get on with life. What's next?" This kind of behavior has to be judged as much as if she had held them until she was torn away from them, if she had asked about them at the hospital, if she had been more concerned with the horror she had just witnessed rather than fingerprints on a murder weapon....If she had done everything the way we expected, we would use that to show innocence. Why can't we use her behaviors equally to show guilt?G.I.RattlesnakeJane said:
Darlie mentions the murder weapon. The operator tells her not to touch it. She says, too late, I already did. Then after the operator has moved on to something else, Darlie brings it back to the knife and says, O, no, I probably messed up the prints. But the real evidence of where her head was at is at the hospital. She told more than one nurse that she picked up the knife and what a pity that was because maybe they could have gotten prints if she hadn't. She was building witnesses in case she needed them.G.I.RattlesnakeJane said:
She was only 19 at the time, I think. It was at the house on Bond Street, that neighborhood. You can find it in Hush Little Babies by Don Davis.txsvicki said:
Do you remember why the operator brought it up? I am thinking Darlie pointed the knife out to the policeman who was in the house unbeknownst to the operator and then the operator said not to touch it. Or did the operator say not to touch anything and then Darlie bring it up? I am too lazy to go listen again.justice2 said:
I don't know. My kids could sleep thru an earthquake (one did..LOL!) They wouldn't sleep thru getting stabbed though. I think it takes time for a body to react to injury. It would take more than a lung puncture to silence our voices. Patients can talk with a collapsed lung. So I am thinking that until the lungs fill up with enough fluid to labor breathing so much that speaking is too difficult, these kids would be making whatever sounds they could, starting with screams and losing volume as it worsened.txsvicki said:
Technical terms for serrated edges do not mean the same to experts as it does to us in our kitchen. It is the way the knife blade is beveled down. Someone once explained this to me and i have forgotten who or where it was, but I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the serated edges as proof another knife existed. I think any knife with a beveled edge is considered to be serrated. You would have to check that out though because I can't remember enough details to help much. Sorry about that.G.I.RattlesnakeJane said:
Most parents who kill their children do not do it for insurance money. A few do but it is rare. At least much rarer than those who kill for emotional reasons.G.I.RattlesnakeJane said:
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