MA - Aaron Hernandez, New England Patriots player, charged with homicides #6

[LyndyLoo]

my take away about the same...very weak for the defense and they would have been well served to just not put on a case. Afraid Wed. could be worse.

I'm actually surprised you agree turaj .. But the defence has actually helped the CIC of the Prosecution.. So much of cross examination was debunking or impeaching a witness.. meanwhile... The "Star Witness" keeps getting co-oberated. Sure his initial reaction was REVENGE.. but he actually became convinced.. that it is better to cooperate than to continue to seek his agenda.

AB certainly come across like those " Forgetitis" guys.. They know what happens to "SNITCHES" and it isn't stitches.. It's gunshots to head or just plain getting rattled with bullets!

AH's life never crawled out of his GUTTER life.. he maintained it and really screwed up so many lives!! That's on HIM ..his associates will eventually get their due.. meanwhile.. AB eventually evolved.. Selling drugs is for him.. making a living.. But so far haven't heard any history of offing anybody ( like the mob did with debters) He thought AH was a good guy until AH became paranoid!

AH doesn't possess a soul.. He never evolved despite his elevated status.. That is on AH and it's ALL on him... He groupies cannot be compared.. THEY are all left to clinging to whomever gives them perks.. THEY also know it's a dangerous world!

After watching their "FOG" testimony .. I'm convinced of the power of persuasion, the likes of the "MOB BOSS" namely Aaron Hernandez!! Yikes, this goes back almost 5 years+ yet these witnesses now are mid to late 20's.. Stupid needy young men lead by the nose!!

 

[turaj]

can anyone explain Warren McMaster's testimony today? Clearly the CW wanted to talk about Nov. 2016 and a run in he had with officers in his machine....after much back and forth the judge then struck that whole testimony (but of course left the jury wondering as I am what it is all about). Did that really happen ? Why did the judge let it go that far as I guess it speaks to the kid having issues with police but really nothing to do with this case. Something very off with his whole testimony and he is the only one that saw this woman sticking out of the car? Really feeling lost here with this case today...

 

[katydid23]

From his prior testimony at the hearing and from today, here is what I get from it:

Baez was wanting the Sweepah to show the jury that

---the cops did not protect the crime scene.
--- there was a random woman holding a item out the roof of her vehicle
---two men ran at the victims vehicle, as it was stopped there
---the cops were mad at the sweeper for just doing his job and were disrespectful
---the cops didn't want to hear about the woman at the scene and threatened to arrest him if he told anyone
---evidence of other shooters might have been swept away


The CW tried to mitigate and rebut much of the above:
---in cross, Lee established that there was only one officer there, helping one of the surviving victims, when the sweeper came through. So he had not taped up the scene yet, as injured victims have priority. And he established that the sweeper was right alongside the gutter, and came around the corner , pretty far from the vehicle..

---the sweeper heard no shots, so the woman was not a shooter, and sweeper admitted she may have had a cell. and was calling for help...

---now the cops....that is where the confusion about the Nov reference comes in...

 

[katydid23]

In reality, the sweeper was arrested for something, I don't know what, but I think charges were dropped...


so the defense is spinning one way, the CW spinning it the other----


the defense= implying he was framed by crooked cops, maybe because he knew the 'truth' about the real shooters etc..etc...

the State= implying he was arrested because he did something illegal,OR was mistakenly accused, but it was dropped , and the sweeper is still very angry so he is purposely trying to make the cops look bad in this high profile case now as payback


whatever it was, the judge wasn't having it, and shut it down...:judge:

 

[Niner]

okay - this is way fftopic:

but reading Globe this morning - Judge Jeanine Pirro has a new show called "You the Jury" - and will have real-life lawyers presenting opening statements, cross exam, etc., and one of those lawyers..... Jose Baez!! Glad I don't get U.S. TV shows! :lol:

I think you're right about the street sweeper Katydid:
the State= implying he was arrested because he did something illegal, OR was mistakenly accused, but it was dropped , and the sweeper is still very angry so he is purposely trying to make the cops look bad in this high profile case now as payback

:wave:

 

[BUF]

Cathy‏ @courtchatter
#AaronHernandez - Charge conference (going over jury instructions) and a motion or 2 will happen at 11:30. We're hoping for live stream then

 

[Trvl4Lyfe]

[Bradley] was not my friend. We weren't sitting on the couch eating popcorn and watching movies," she said. "I pick and choose my battles. There are some things that are worth arguing about. There are some things that aren't. I didn't see that as being one of them."

Just WOW...Not worth even talking about...

 

[BUF]

Just got in to hear that the defense did not get the stuff to the judge by 4:00 yesterday as he requested.

 

[BUF]

I was stuck at eye doctor with SO again & missed all but the end. Looking at tweets, a lot was decided. Interesting that Locke didn't rule on this:

Cathy‏ @courtchatter
#AaronHernandez - Suprisingly, Judge Locke is not ruling right away on the Witness Intimidation charge

 

[BUF]

The defense thinks it can finish tomorrow with their three witnesses, CW said if they have rebuttal it will be short and closing arguments on expected on Thursday. Is that right? Oh, and defense also said that they have a witness overseas & wants to skype testimony... what did the judge say on that?

 

[scorpio24]

The defense thinks it can finish tomorrow with their three witnesses, CW said if they have rebuttal it will be short and closing arguments on expected on Thursday. Is that right? Oh, and defense also said that they have a witness overseas & wants to skype testimony... what did the judge say on that?

That sounds right! I couldn't really understand what Leontire was talking about with the military witness, but the judge pretty much just said he didn't know all the protocol and wanted to do some research to understand. He didn't sound too "keen" on Skype testimony, though.

 

[katydid23]

if you go to this link:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/aaronhernandez?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=refgoogle


You can read all of the tweets about todays hearing about closing arguments and jury instructions. The defense had a huge amount of objections they put to the judge. They wanted to limit wording used the the CW in their closing---for example, they cannot say the Trailblazer was 'hidden' or that AH's cell was 'discarded' etc... Judge said they could say the trailblazer was 'stored'... etc

Anyway, long interesting list, which specifies what exactly they are worried about.,.

 

[katydid23]

That sounds right! I couldn't really understand what Leontire was talking about with the military witness, but the judge pretty much just said he didn't know all the protocol and wanted to do some research to understand. He didn't sound too "keen" on Skype testimony, though.

Laurel J. Sweet‏Verified account @Laurel_Sweet 3m3 minutes ago
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And who is THIS guy? A member of the military stationed in Kuwait Team #AaronHernandez wants to call tomorrow is refusing to testify.

 

[katydid23]

Aaron Keller‏ @AKellerLawNewz 2h2 hours ago
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#AaronHernandez Judge will instruct jury that Commonwealth does not know if Alexander Bradley was telling truth -- that is jury's job.

Travis Andersen‏Verified account @TAGlobe 2h2 hours ago
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Locke: under MA law defendant cannot be convicted based solely on immunized witnessed must be corroboration will tell jury #


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Big Coup for #AaronHernandez .....The judge will tell the Jury that they cannot convict AH base solely on an immunized witness testimony!!

 

[arkansasmimi]

From his prior testimony at the hearing and from today, here is what I get from it:

Baez was wanting the Sweepah to show the jury that

---the cops did not protect the crime scene.
--- there was a random woman holding a item out the roof of her vehicle
---two men ran at the victims vehicle, as it was stopped there
---the cops were mad at the sweeper for just doing his job and were disrespectful
---the cops didn't want to hear about the woman at the scene and threatened to arrest him if he told anyone
---evidence of other shooters might have been swept away


The CW tried to mitigate and rebut much of the above:
---in cross, Lee established that there was only one officer there, helping one of the surviving victims, when the sweeper came through. So he had not taped up the scene yet, as injured victims have priority. And he established that the sweeper was right alongside the gutter, and came around the corner , pretty far from the vehicle..

---the sweeper heard no shots, so the woman was not a shooter, and sweeper admitted she may have had a cell. and was calling for help...

---now the cops....that is where the confusion about the Nov reference comes in...

Agree, That is what I got from it also.

 

[turaj]

relistening again to AB testimony....just don't know how you can rely on that and I now learn there is a specific instruction on not being able to convict based solely an immunized witness (a/k/a Bradley). I think his level of detailed memory is suspicious together with how he only came forward after not getting a money deal with AH. I think Baez has a good chance of wining this for his buddy AH.

Judge considering this "skype" evidence. I think defense case is weak but maybe CW weaker?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Salvador, a psychology doctoral student, testified Monday that he met Hernandez at the Cure Lounge that night in 2012. He said he was with Hernandez for 7-10 minutes and that at no point did he see someone spill a drink or Hernandez appear angry.

“Not at all,” Salvador testified.

In fact, Salvador said when he asked Hernandez for a photo, the former New England Patriot “politely declined,” only to relent when Salvador told him it was his birthday.

The time here is important, in that surveillance video shows that Hernandez was inside the club for only nine minutes, meaning Salvador’s testimony puts the two together nearly the entire time.

The two then re-engaged outside the club a few minutes later where Salvador thanked him for the photo.

“No problem,” Hernandez said. “Have a good night.”

With witness testimony expected to conclude by Thursday at the latest, it’s reasonable to ask if the prosecution has overcome its burden of proving Hernandez guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Consider:

• There is no forensic evidence directly linking Hernandez to the shooting.

• One witness to the murders initially told police the shooter “looks like a female” with cornrows.

• The only eyewitness fingering Hernandez as the gunman, Alexander Bradley, is an acknowledged drug dealer who admits to having a bone to pick with Hernandez.

• The defense revealed Bradley, who testified Hernandez shot him in the face to shut him up about the double murders, deleted a text message that stated he didn’t know for sure who shot him in the face. https://gma.yahoo.com/aaron-hernand...art-prosecutions-entire-motive-195941790.html

 

[BUF]

Watching this now. Discussing the witness intimidation charge & defense says they are admitting something else. Then Locke says "Do I stand around waiting for it?"... yikes, he was pissed!

 

[turaj]

Salvador, a psychology doctoral student, testified Monday that he met Hernandez at the Cure Lounge that night in 2012. He said he was with Hernandez for 7-10 minutes and that at no point did he see someone spill a drink or Hernandez appear angry.

“Not at all,” Salvador testified.

In fact, Salvador said when he asked Hernandez for a photo, the former New England Patriot “politely declined,” only to relent when Salvador told him it was his birthday.

The time here is important, in that surveillance video shows that Hernandez was inside the club for only nine minutes, meaning Salvador’s testimony puts the two together nearly the entire time.

The two then re-engaged outside the club a few minutes later where Salvador thanked him for the photo.

“No problem,” Hernandez said. “Have a good night.”

With witness testimony expected to conclude by Thursday at the latest, it’s reasonable to ask if the prosecution has overcome its burden of proving Hernandez guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Consider:

• There is no forensic evidence directly linking Hernandez to the shooting.

• One witness to the murders initially told police the shooter “looks like a female” with cornrows.

• The only eyewitness fingering Hernandez as the gunman, Alexander Bradley, is an acknowledged drug dealer who admits to having a bone to pick with Hernandez.

• The defense revealed Bradley, who testified Hernandez shot him in the face to shut him up about the double murders, deleted a text message that stated he didn’t know for sure who shot him in the face. https://gma.yahoo.com/aaron-hernand...art-prosecutions-entire-motive-195941790.html

not looking good for the victims' families who really deserve to understand why their loved ones died. Unless something really changes here they are going to be very disappointed. If this is hung not sure with this same evidence that the cw should try again.

 

[scorpio24]

Aaron Keller‏ @AKellerLawNewz 2h2 hours ago
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#AaronHernandez Judge will instruct jury that Commonwealth does not know if Alexander Bradley was telling truth -- that is jury's job.

Travis Andersen‏Verified account @TAGlobe 2h2 hours ago
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Locke: under MA law defendant cannot be convicted based solely on immunized witnessed must be corroboration will tell jury #


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Big Coup for #AaronHernandez .....The judge will tell the Jury that they cannot convict AH base solely on an immunized witness testimony!!

I think this is why Brooke Wilcox got immunity for her grand jury testimony but NOT for the trial testimony. She was used to corroborate Alexander Bradley. (I think they mentioned one more who had it for grand jury, but not for trial. I just can't remember, who...