MA - Aaron Hernandez, New England Patriots player, charged with homicides #6

[arkansasmimi]

Other Expers on the Def Witness list that may testify

Richard Eiklenboom. and Selma Eiklenboom are expert’s in DNA and Crime
Scene reconstruction. With respect to DNA evidence they will testify they
sampled 12 locations from the alleged firearm used in the Boston shooting. They
identified numerous mixed DNA samples and compared the samples against the
DNA profile of the Defendant. The Defendant’s DNA did not match any of the
mixed profiles obtained from the alleged firearm

**why do they not still have the BMW?**

Thomas Martin, Crime Scene expert - Former Senior Investigator for the New
York State Police for 22 years, who has processed thousands of crime scenes will
testify as to proper procedures at homicide scenes concerning preservation of the
scenes and evidence and the importance of same. That his normal operating
procedure was to maintain all evidence collected during a homicide investigation,
including motor vehicles in which victims were killed, until the adjudication of
the case.

Jake Green Digital Forensics. Forensics expert who will testify regarding material
obtained from his forensic examination of Bradley’s iPhone and Hernandez’s
blackberry.
5. Unknown Expert to discuss marijuana use in the NFL.
6. Unknown Expert to discuss the medical and psychological impacts for individuals
who ingest marijuana and any relationship between such behavior and violence.
7. Unknown Witness to discuss athletes and their security concerns.
8. Unknown Expert to discuss issues and concerns regarding expert witness
identification.
9. Stuart James, Expert on blood pattern analysis. (See previously submitted report)

others but those are the Experts http://media.wix.com/ugd/943520_4afbf5aaf0dd4afbaa056f2b97a2b945.pdf

 

[arkansasmimi]

Weren't AH and AB only allegedly in the Cure club only 9 minutes?

 

[turaj]

Respectfully nothing if you have your mind made up already. I personally as I always try to do, go by evidence as presented at trial. The ME was not cool and collects. She was anything but. No matter what her ability at present, these 2 autopsies were done 1 year after she was board certified and had not done many gun shot autopsies. Made errors that she now sees and yet not. amended. The Def is showing that prior to knowing it was AH trial the length of time was seconds, yet now since Jan 2017 she states seconds to minutes, yet has no documentation saying that. And once seeing her own discrepancy in the inches, did not review the xrays and be prepared to answer questions about it. JMHO the questions about the 2 shirts are going to come back up and there will be measurements of those and will conflict with the ME testimony and report.

ME said she thought it was raining when first asked about the wet hands and feet? Did you see any rain in those videos? **granted I have not checked but will to see if was and if they could been left layed out in water.

Respect, JMHO So far the CM seems not very strong in their evidence and especially their witnesses. You can disregard testimony if you wish. I choose not to. My opinion nor anyone not in that jury box matters in the verdict. I just spoke up on my opinion as others do on any cases on WS. My opinions reflect not on my emotions but on actual testimony which I referenced back to.

totally agree you on arkansas...the ME for me was really weak as were so many witnesses. Frankly I think the defense could just rest as CW just has not proven the case. It is not that I do not think AH did it but a very weak case and I think at least one juror is going to think the same.

 

[turaj]

Weren't AH and AB only allegedly in the Cure club only 9 minutes?

yep 9 minutes including a photo in separate room.

 

[arkansasmimi]

totally agree you on arkansas...the ME for me was really weak as were so many witnesses. Frankly I think the defense could just rest as CW just has not proven the case. It is not that I do not think AH did it but a very weak case and I think at least one juror is going to think the same.

CW will Rest. Def will ask that be dismissed stating the CW has not proven their case. Judge will deny and Defense will present their case. JMHO

And the fact that it a NFL player hopefully doesn't play into anything. I bet there are a lot of people sitting on pins and needles on this trial. Like AB cousin, he didnt want to be there either. Some bad bad people in that world they were involved in.

What I think about AH has nothing to do with whether CW has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. That ME was very very uncomfortable. Go back and watch. Watch when she drinks water. LKB was not hard on her, but was trying to get her locked in with her answers. CW lost all their objections, and Judge Locke did step in and help out a little.

I do not believe AB, as he is a proven liar, has texts that prove he had lied and was weighing his options on "telling the truth". To me a juror if I was paying attention would make an impact. He has immunity for a reason. He is a drug dealer. (dude also shot up a club that why he is in prison now). So for me and I not a juror but all that stuff give me some reasonable doubt. Have to go back and relisten to his testimony. But I can see AB very well being the shooter. JMHO and only matters to Mimi

 

[katydid23]

Respectfully nothing if you have your mind made up already. I personally as I always try to do, go by evidence as presented at trial. The ME was not cool and collects. She was anything but. No matter what her ability at present, these 2 autopsies were done 1 year after she was board certified and had not done many gun shot autopsies. Made errors that she now sees and yet not. amended. The Def is showing that prior to knowing it was AH trial the length of time was seconds, yet now since Jan 2017 she states seconds to minutes, yet has no documentation saying that. And once seeing her own discrepancy in the inches, did not review the xrays and be prepared to answer questions about it. JMHO the questions about the 2 shirts are going to come back up and there will be measurements of those and will conflict with the ME testimony and report.

ME said she thought it was raining when first asked about the wet hands and feet? Did you see any rain in those videos? **granted I have not checked but will to see if was and if they could been left layed out in water.

Respect, JMHO So far the CM seems not very strong in their evidence and especially their witnesses. You can disregard testimony if you wish. I choose not to. My opinion nor anyone not in that jury box matters in the verdict. I just spoke up on my opinion as others do on any cases on WS. My opinions reflect not on my emotions but on actual testimony which I referenced back to.

I have watched the entire trial so far and I think the CW set forth some powerful circumstantial evidence. Maybe the DT will be able to rebut it. But I do not think that seconds or minutes before death will have a bearing on who the shooter was. It only affects the sentencing. Nor will it matter if the wound was an inch longer.

I don't think it matters if a brand new ME made some innocent errors. Because there is no question about cause or manner of death. Either AB shot them or AH shot them. Baez is even admitting that the shots came from the Trailblazer. So who cares if the would pattern is an inch off in measurement? How does that answer the only real question--who was the shooter.

All LKB was doing was trying to make this young ME look incompetent and/or corrupt. But this 'discrepancies' do not tell us who the shooter was.

 

[katydid23]

I think the whole thing will rest upon closing statements.

 

[Rocco]

I think it is insurance. AH is appealing the prior conviction. If that appeal is successful, it would be nice if this one kicked in. :jail:

If he wins an appeal in that case, I'm thinking it would have to be on a technicality. The evidence in that case was overwhelming. I watched an interview with the jurors in that case after the trial and it seemed none of them had any doubt whatsoever that he was guilty from the time they started deliberating.

The only answers more ridiculous upon questioning of Shay in that trial were her answers in this trial. She has a tattoo but she doesn't know what it says???? Her testimony would have been less damning if she had just answered the question. It wasn't THAT big of a deal. The fact that she said she didn't know was a big deal as far as her credibility.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Curious what Autopsy and Death Certificate say in this case?

Boston Bombing case March 30, 2015 at 12:38 PM, updated March 30, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Snip
Lingzi Lu, 23, died of massive blood loss as a result of her injuries according to medical examiner Dr. Katherine Lindstrom.

Lindstrom testified that Lu would have died "within seconds to minutes" after being hit by the blast.

When asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Mellin if her injuries from the blast would have been painful she said that they "would have been very painful." http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2015/03/medical_examiner_lingzi_lu_die.html

 

[arkansasmimi]

Curious what Autopsy and Death Certificate say in this case?

Boston Bombing case March 30, 2015 at 12:38 PM, updated March 30, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Snip
Lingzi Lu, 23, died of massive blood loss as a result of her injuries according to medical examiner Dr. Katherine Lindstrom.

Lindstrom testified that Lu would have died "within seconds to minutes" after being hit by the blast.

When asked by Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Mellin if her injuries from the blast would have been painful she said that they "would have been very painful." http://www.masslive.com/news/boston/index.ssf/2015/03/medical_examiner_lingzi_lu_die.html

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think the whole thing will rest upon closing statements.

Closing Argument

Only after the jury has seen and heard the factual evidence of the case are the parties allowed to try to persuade them about its overall significance. Closing arguments are the opportunity for each party to remind jurors about key evidence presented and to persuade them to adopt an interpretation favorable to their position. At this point, parties are free to use hypothetical analogies to make their points; to comment on the credibility of the witnesses, to discuss how they believe the various pieces of the puzzle fit into a compelling whole, and to advocate why jurors should decide the case in their favor.

Key Difference

There is a critical difference between opening statements and closing arguments. In opening statements, parties are restricted to stating the evidence: (“Witness A will testify that Event X occurred&#8221. In closing arguments, the parties are free to argue the merits: “As we know from Witness A’s compelling testimony, Event X occurred, which clearly established who should be held responsible in this case.” http://www.uscourts.gov/about-feder...ional-outreach/activity-resources/differences


JMHO, whole lot of CW witnesses do not recall. Even the ME thought the palms of feet and hands were she thinks it may have been raining. :scared:

 

[turaj]

watching Bradley from the first trial...he has not changed a bit...he was confident then too...correcting the attys and even saying the court reporter on a previous depo made a mistake. He is attired in his "Burberry Plaid" shirt and really gets flustered over nothing. His vocab is excellent and he is a good witness...but a low life **** for sure!!

 

[arkansasmimi]

Board of Registration in Medicine * Physician Profile
Profiles/Pages/PhysicianProfile
Commonwealth of Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine
Katherine M. Lindstrom, M.D.
License Issue Date 7/8/2011 http://profiles.ehs.state.ma.us/Profiles/Pages/PhysicianProfile.aspx?PhysicianID=102520&Print=True

(Autopsy in this case July 17, 2012 one of the points LKB was getting at during Cross 3/31/17 and why ME was not cool and collected as should be JMHO )

 

[KaraKitty]

Oh my karakitty, you must really be on AH overload by now!

(I think OD was shot six times, which is quite an overkill. http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/04/aaron_hernandez_guilty_of_first-degree_murder_in_k.html)

OMG, BUF, I think I am on AH overload ... I even printed off that timeline you posted so I would have all the facts straight. Dates, times, names.

Oh oops, you are right OL was shot 6 times not 10. TY for that link. I agree, overkill.

 

[Rocco]

I have watched the entire trial so far and I think the CW set forth some powerful circumstantial evidence. Maybe the DT will be able to rebut it. But I do not think that seconds or minutes before death will have a bearing on who the shooter was. It only affects the sentencing. Nor will it matter if the wound was an inch longer.

I don't think it matters if a brand new ME made some innocent errors. Because there is no question about cause or manner of death. Either AB shot them or AH shot them. Baez is even admitting that the shots came from the Trailblazer. So who cares if the would pattern is an inch off in measurement? How does that answer the only real question--who was the shooter.

All LKB was doing was trying to make this young ME look incompetent and/or corrupt. But this 'discrepancies' do not tell us who the shooter was.

LKB came across as a bully, picking on a young, new ME. I wonder if any of the jurors were as unimpressed with the points she brought up as I was.

 

[katydid23]

Closing Argument

Only after the jury has seen and heard the factual evidence of the case are the parties allowed to try to persuade them about its overall significance. Closing arguments are the opportunity for each party to remind jurors about key evidence presented and to persuade them to adopt an interpretation favorable to their position. At this point, parties are free to use hypothetical analogies to make their points; to comment on the credibility of the witnesses, to discuss how they believe the various pieces of the puzzle fit into a compelling whole, and to advocate why jurors should decide the case in their favor.

Key Difference

There is a critical difference between opening statements and closing arguments. In opening statements, parties are restricted to stating the evidence: (“Witness A will testify that Event X occurred&#8221. In closing arguments, the parties are free to argue the merits: “As we know from Witness A’s compelling testimony, Event X occurred, which clearly established who should be held responsible in this case.” http://www.uscourts.gov/about-feder...ional-outreach/activity-resources/differences


JMHO, whole lot of CW witnesses do not recall. Even the ME thought the palms of feet and hands were she thinks it may have been raining. :scared:

The closing argument by the CW will pull together the narrative and timeline for the jury. They set forth a lot of key facts that point to AH as the shooter in both incidents. The Closing Statement should bring it all together in a cohesive way.

Those witnesses that 'could not remember' were very crucial, in spite of their pretending they didn't know anything. The State had to call them to the stand because they were witnesses to the Fla. shooting. The were in the vehicle and they placed AB and AH inside that vehicle right before AB was found shot, on the side of the road. That was crucial info that came out, in spite of their flawed memories.

Also, calling them to the stand, to swear to the court that they had no memories of that night, prevents Baez from putting them up to create an alternate scenario. Now they will not be able to say they remember AB calling a dealer/client and getting dropped off to buy/sell drugs right before he was shot.

So even though it may seem odd that the State called people to the stand that didn't 'remember' anything, it was actually important testimony.

 

[BUF]

LKB came across as a bully, picking on a young, new ME. I wonder if any of the jurors were as unimpressed with the points she brought up as I was.

I thought the same. Could have turned off some of the jurors.

 

[katydid23]

Board of Registration in Medicine * Physician Profile
Profiles/Pages/PhysicianProfile
Commonwealth of Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine
Katherine M. Lindstrom, M.D.
License Issue Date 7/8/2011 http://profiles.ehs.state.ma.us/Profiles/Pages/PhysicianProfile.aspx?PhysicianID=102520&Print=True

(Autopsy in this case July 17, 2012 one of the points LKB was getting at during Cross 3/31/17 and why ME was not cool and collected as should be JMHO )

So, she was a new ME? Is that her fault? LKB came at her as if she was accusing her of something horrible, when it was really just about her being new at her job. It is not a crime to be a young Doctor.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Respectfully, this was 2 autopsies that were done by a ME in 2012. Who now changes her thoughts Jan 2017 after speaking with DA, yet there are no documentation, no amended report, no amended DC. Not only about "seconds" then "seconds to minutes" but also the recently realized documentation of D, 15 inches. Still now 5 years later in her experience, still no documentation, or amended reports. Did not review xrays.

 

[katydid23]

Respectfully, this was 2 autopsies that were done by a ME in 2012. Who now changes her thoughts Jan 2017 after speaking with DA, yet there are no documentation, no amended report, no amended DC. Not only about "seconds" then "seconds to minutes" but also the recently realized documentation of D, 15 inches. Still now 5 years later in her experience, still no documentation, or amended reports. Did not review xrays.

The term 'seconds to minutes' is quite common. I don't think there is that big of a difference between the 2 when both mean immediate death.

I hardly call it 'changing her thoughts' when she adds 'seconds to minutes.' It is pretty much the same thing. LKB was just trying to make it some horrible conspiracy. Truth is, the ME probably cant say if it was seconds or minutes. And it does not really matter.

what documentation or amended report did she need to make? I wonder how busy Boston ME's are, and probably understaffed. Why would she do an amended report for the change from 'seconds' to 'seconds or minutes'?

I don't see what these 'discrepancies' have to do with figuring out who shot the victims.