Still Missing MA - Ana Walshe, 39, allegedly left home, may have been dismembered, Cohasset, Jan 2023 *husband indicted* #4

[katydid23]

I'm about 15 minutes behind real time....

Legionnaires Disease? Seriously? Is he going to try to pin her suddenly death on exposure to Legionnaires Disease????

Judge called for the sidebar.

JMO

Symptoms of Legionnaires' disease often start as flu-like symptoms such as fever, cough, and muscle aches, and can include headache, fatigue, and shortness of breath. The illness can also cause pneumonia, and some people may experience gastrointestinal symptoms like diarrhea or stomach cramps. It is important to seek medical attention if you develop these symptoms, especially if you are in a high-risk group


So did BW set forth any evidence that Ana had been ill with flu like symptoms on NYr's Eve?

 

[katydid23]

Sudden death is their only defense that could work because it can exist within the basis of the prosecutions case. She could have died suddenly. He could have panicked, so much so, and because he is a sociopath (which the state never addressed) made a leap not many would.

Can the state ask about other locations that BW may have stashed her body? Can they ask him about his Lies to LE? I'm still unclear if or when the jury will learn about his prior guilty pleas. They have to come in at some point right?

TBF I think BW would be super smooth on the stand. His voice and demeanor seemed calm and unbothered during his interviews. Disjointed yes but heavy on the smooth - like butter. I don't want him up there in his suit feigning innocence.

I still think we are good for a conviction.

True, he is smooth like butter when he speaks.

But has the jury learned about his con man lifestyle?

 

[katydid23]

What?????? So the Defense keeps trying to neutralize the searches (favorite actresses, country song titles, etc) by "whoever was using the device" but now wants to suggest LE should have searched devices going farther back in time to see whether the "user of the device" did any searches suggesting harm to Ana W.

1. Why would that matter if it wasn't Brian doing the searches? (And who else could it have been? Seriously.)

Maybe it was the 6 yr old? He just happens to be a homicidal child prodigy, a wunderkind with matricidal tendencies?

 

[Megnut]

Symptoms of Legionnaires' disease often start as flu-like symptoms such as fever, cough, and muscle aches, and can include headache, fatigue, and shortness of breath. The illness can also cause pneumonia, and some people may experience gastrointestinal symptoms like diarrhea or stomach cramps. It is important to seek medical attention if you develop these symptoms, especially if you are in a high-risk group


So did BW set forth any evidence that Ana had been ill with flu like symptoms on NYr's Eve?

Yes. His attorney highlighted it with the plunger & Porsche exchanges.

Aggravating.

 

[Snoopster]

True, he is smooth like butter when he speaks.

But has the jury learned about his con man lifestyle?

That might play against him. What struck me in his interviews with LE was that he was calm and overly cooperative. He didn't express any anxiety or distress about finding Ana. He almost sounded happy. I think the jury will be onto him given that they will know that he chopped up his wife and knew she was dead when he was sounding so calm and almost chipper.

 

[Seattle1]

Do you think his mother was watching the children while Brian was dismembering Ana?

I do.

No, they were at daycare.

We already heard that BW was acting differently on this date-- he went to a different door to collect the children. Perhaps he was trying to avoid encountering others known to him, parents who might inquire about their holiday, and Ana.

 

[Seattle1]

DAILY TRIAL UPDATES​

DAY 5 – 12/5/25​

• LIVESTREAM: MA v. Brian Walshe – Day 5 | The Disappearance of Ana Walshe Murder Trial
• Trooper Connor Keefe, Massachusetts State Police digital forensic examiner returned to the stand.
  • Text messages between Brian and Ana
    • Dec. 25, 2022, 11:32 am “Hello” and “Thomas asked if you are coming today?”
    • Anna responded on Dec. 25, 2022, “My flight got cancelled driving up”
    • Jan 2-4, 2023: Multiple undelivered texts from Brian, including “Hello Thomas found the phone,” “Hello where are you,” “I’m worried please call,” and “I am calling Jeff now”
  • Dec. 25, 2022, 11:32 am search for “Xmas day plane crash”, multiple searches for “Ana Walshe found dead”
  • Dec. 30, 2022: Extensive searches for wine and champagne from 7-7:15 pm, search for movie “I’m Good”
  • Dec. 31, 2022, 11:17 pm: Search for “Night Shade” (restaurant); Brian made a reservation for Ana and himself on New Year’s Day
  • Dec. 31, 2022: searches for kids playhouse, how to start a charity, how to start a church through 501(c)(3)
  • Ana’s flight was cancelled on Dec. 25; she drove to Cohasset. There were three phone calls between Brian and Ana after the flight cancellation.
  • Dec. 25: Ana sent photo of a Porsche and eight Zillow property listings to Brian.
  • No communications between Ana and William Fastow found on iPhone mini 13
• Trooper Heather Sullivan, Massachusetts State Police crime scene technician (retired)
  • Photographed dumpster and trash compactor on Paradise Road.
  • Collected and processed multiple tools: snips, hacksaw, hammer, packing tape, hatchet, Craftsman shears, measuring cup
• Dr. Richard Atkinson, Forensic pathologist
  • Examined items from trash facility.
  • Identified pieces of carpet with reddish-brown stains.

MA v. Brian Walshe: The Disappearance of Ana Walshe Murder Trial

UPDATE: Brian Walshe is on trial for the murder of his missing wife, Ana Walshe. The defense argued Ana died of sudden death syndrome.

www.courttv.com

 

[Eli9]

No, they were at daycare.

We already heard that BW was acting differently on this date-- he went to a different door to collect the children. Perhaps he was trying to avoid encountering others known to him, parents who might inquire about their holiday, and Ana.

According to testimony they went 5 days a week. You know, while Brian was on home confinement...googling.

 

[Eli9]

Okay
two things
1. In order to prove his lie that AW died a sudden death he is going to have to explain that somehow he nudged her hard enough that she rolled off the bed as was stated in the opening. I predict he will say that she typically slept on her side and hugged the edge of the bed. Still nudging dead weight would have been a significant event IMO. Not a nudge but an intentional shove so to speak.

2. Do any of you think that this far in, and I know we are not done, that the state has been able to prove murder at this point? I ask because this one criminal defense lady keeps coming across my TT and she is totally fan-girling the defense. She makes me nervous because she seems so confident.

She has me questioning myself and my reasoning. Are we getting somewhere? We are, right?

 

[Kemug]

Symptoms of Legionnaires' disease often start as flu-like symptoms such as fever, cough, and muscle aches, and can include headache, fatigue, and shortness of breath. The illness can also cause pneumonia, and some people may experience gastrointestinal symptoms like diarrhea or stomach cramps. It is important to seek medical attention if you develop these symptoms, especially if you are in a high-risk group


So did BW set forth any evidence that Ana had been ill with flu like symptoms on NYr's Eve?

That's not exactly sudden, is it? Couldn't he think of something a bit more sudden than that? He may just as well have said a heart attack, as it seems unlikely that Ana's body will be found to disprove it.

 

[Megnut]

Okay
two things
1. In order to prove his lie that AW died a sudden death he is going to have to explain that somehow he nudged her hard enough that she rolled off the bed as was stated in the opening. I predict he will say that she typically slept on her side and hugged the edge of the bed. Still nudging dead weight would have been a significant event IMO. Not a nudge but an intentional shove so to speak.

2. Do any of you think that this far in, and I know we are not done, that the state has been able to prove murder at this point? I ask because this one criminal defense lady keeps coming across my TT and she is totally fan-girling the defense. She makes me nervous because she seems so confident.

She has me questioning myself and my reasoning. Are we getting somewhere? We are, right?

IMO the consciousness of guilt instruction will level ANY gain by the Defense.

It's beyond ALL doubt.

You'd have to believe their marriage was fine.
You'd have to disbelieve the affair or believe he was unaware of it.
You'd have to believe she had a sudden natural death.
You'd have to believe she died beyond saving in the short dishwashing window.
You'd have to believe he noticed something was off.
You'd have to believe he innocently nudged her so nudgily she fell off the bed, accounting for whatever real evidence was collected from the bedroom.
You'd have to believe that, not knowing what caused Ana to be suddenly dead, he knew she couldn't be resuscitated.
You'd have to believe that he panicked, thinking he could be blamed for her inexplicable death.
You'd have to believe the hole in the ceiling was unrelated (assuming the State is going to link it).
You'd have to believe it's reasonable for panic to devolve into dismemberment and dumpsters.

OR

You could believe that Brian caused Ana's death and that THAT was the true source of his panic and what led him to the most panicked actions of all. Hacksaw, hammer, hatchet.

IMO the judge will instruct the jury on what reasonable doubt is and isn't. It's not every possible alternative you can think of. Because that is UNREASONABLE.

The mental gymnastics required in order to fit the facts to Brian's new narrative are beyond reasonable.

 

[Eli9]

IMO the consciousness of guilt instruction will level ANY gain by the Defense.

It's beyond ALL doubt.

You'd have to believe their marriage was fine.
You'd have to disbelieve the affair or believe he was unaware of it.
You'd have to believe she had a sudden natural death.
You'd have to believe she died beyond saving in the short dishwashing window.
You'd have to believe he noticed something was off.
You'd have to believe he innocently nudged her so nudgily she fell off the bed, accounting for whatever real evidence was collected from the bedroom.
You'd have to believe that, not knowing what caused Ana to be suddenly dead, he knew she couldn't be resuscitated.
You'd have to believe that he panicked, thinking he could be blamed for her inexplicable death.
You'd have to believe the hole in the ceiling was unrelated (assuming the State is going to link it).
You'd have to believe it's reasonable for panic to devolve into dismemberment and dumpsters.

OR

You could believe that Brian caused Ana's death and that THAT was the true source of his panic and what led him to the most panicked actions of all. Hacksaw, hammer, hatchet.

IMO the judge will instruct the jury on what reasonable doubt is and isn't. It's not every possible alternative you can think of. Because that is UNREASONABLE.

The mental gymnastics required in order to for the facts to Brian's new narrative are beyond reasonable.

This is the sleeping pill I needed tonight. Lol. I don't follow many trials and my ability to second guess myself is at next level. I needed some grounding and hand holding so thank you so so much.

 

[Megnut]

How could Brian know that Ana's cause of death would be indeterminate, allowing for a suspicious that he caused it?

It's really comes down to that.

He's no doctor. She traveled a lot. Could have been a blood clot. Could have been Covid or Legionnaires or the bird flu or a heart attack which would fully exonerate him. So you slay have to believe that Brian immediately intuited that her cause of death would be indeterminate... and then to eliminate all chance to exonerate himself from her naturally caused death, he dismembered and trashcompacted her body.

I didn't want anyone to blame me for her death so I destroyed her so no one could ever prove I didn't do it.

There is NO WAY to make that make sense.

Because it doesn't.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

That's not exactly sudden, is it? Couldn't he think of something a bit more sudden than that? He may just as well have said a heart attack, as it seems unlikely that Ana's body will be found to disprove it.

And if she had been sick for a few days, then died in her sleep, WHY NOT call 911? It would be easy to show that he was not responsible for her death if he knew it was an illness.

If she died of natural causes he would inherit a lot of money, and have full custody of his kids when his prior case was resolved.

It was quite a mental leap to go from his wife's sudden death from natural causes to him dismembering her body and dumping it in the trash.

 

[legalmomma]

Prof Jo had an interesting comment on this point on the STS live feed. She said that BW is the only person who could possibly testify or bring evidence in that he found her dead, suddenly. And, since the defense mentioned that as the main thrust of their case that they would be presenting, then BW would HAVE to take the stand. Otherwise they couldn't get that into the trial.

If he doesn't take the stand then the dense counsel would be in a lot of trouble as you can't present something in the opening statement as what the jurors will hear, and then not present it. It has to be in 'good faith'. It would create a very challenging issue for the trial.

I also assumed Casey Anthony would have to take the stand when Jose Baez, her atty, laid out the case in his opening statement and stated that George had sexually abused her and that is why she’s trained to lie~ and we know how that turned out. She didn’t testify and no evidence of that nature was introduced. Trial games that should lead to ethical violations.

 

[waldojabba]

If they put on a defense with an expert who blathers on about true cases of sudden unexplained death of adults, I think the Defense might ask about a whole litany of diseases which could theoretically result in sudden death, not just Legionnaires. Covid. Who knows what other spaghetti they'll throw at that wall. Black Plague. Biblical times leprosy.

JMO

Maybe even..spontaneous combustion!!
Adult”crib” death. All very common.
JMO

 

[Kemug]

Has anyone got any ideas about the hole in the ceiling? Or have I missed it.

 

[katydid23]

Okay
two things
1. In order to prove his lie that AW died a sudden death he is going to have to explain that somehow he nudged her hard enough that she rolled off the bed as was stated in the opening. I predict he will say that she typically slept on her side and hugged the edge of the bed. Still nudging dead weight would have been a significant event IMO. Not a nudge but an intentional shove so to speak.

2. Do any of you think that this far in, and I know we are not done, that the state has been able to prove murder at this point? I ask because this one criminal defense lady keeps coming across my TT and she is totally fan-girling the defense. She makes me nervous because she seems so confident.

She has me questioning myself and my reasoning. Are we getting somewhere? We are, right?

That's a subjective question. Technically, she could be correct that the Prosecution has not proven murder yet.

Without a body or any witnesses, it's pretty hard to prove that he actually killed her.

The prosecution is going to rely upon circumstantial evidence which can be quite compelling. What have they shown so far?

----He has already confessed to dismembering and disposing of her body. So they know she was not alive after New Years.
----The jury was told about their marriage problems and that Ana was telling him she was moving to DC with the kids.
----The jury is seeing how he texted her falsely as a ruse to fool detectives in the future.
----The jury is seeing him lying to friends and family about her being missing.
----They saw him walking through the hardware store with a huge cart of body dismemberment/disposal supplies.

Does that 'prove' he actually killed her? The only way it can is if it convinces a jury that he would not have done any of that if she died a natural death.

Is it a reasonable doubt that he would have panicked and dismembered her if she had just died of a heart attack?

Personally I think the jury will believe that he killed his wife before he dismembered her.

Imagine finding your spouse lying next to you in bed, unresponsive. What is your first instinct? Trying CPR while calling 911 on your cell, or maybe yelling to neighbours for help also?

How many of us would make the decision to hide our partner's death by cutting them up and dumping them--- then staging a cover up by sending them fake messages and then calling our parents and friends to say our partner went missing? Then filing a police report and even telling our young children their other parent can't be found?

I think the jury will watch those facts play out and will decide it was not reasonable to believe it was an innocent natural death that triggered that gruesome response.

 

[waldojabba]

gifted link

With the introduction into evidence of the tools Brian Walshe allegedly used to dismember his wife, including a hatchet and a hacksaw, the judge has shortened her estimate of how long his murder trial will take.

“The case has been moving quite efficiently,” Judge Diane Freniere, who originally estimated up to four and a half weeks for the trial’s length, told Norfolk Superior Court jurors before releasing them for the week on Friday.

“My best estimate at this point is that the evidence in this case will be concluded within a total timeframe of three weeks,” she continued. “So we just put one week in the bank, so to speak, and I don’t think the evidence will go any further than two additional weeks.”

Brian Walshe murder trial Day 5: Finding the hatchet and the hacksaw

With the introduction into evidence tools Brian Walshe allegedly used to dismember his wife, including a hatchet and a hacksaw, the judge has shortened her estimate of how long his murder trial wil…

www.bostonherald.com

 

[waldojabba]

Has anyone got any ideas about the hole in the ceiling? Or have I missed it.

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