MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[heartgoesout]

It might be very hard to believe you made a baby with someone who was capable of killing that same baby. Plus he says he fell for her story due to the track marks on her neck, which supposedly showed that she was being held hostage by MM.

Her own sister didn't believe she was wholly innocent and I think the sister knew her better than JA did.

We can conjecture about these things until the trial, but at the end of the day it's what comes up in the trial that will matter, and I hope both RB and MM get severe sentences for what they put that baby through!

I also think the conjecture as to JA's status as father is a bit pointless. The coroner's office is apparently prepared to release the body to him (as per one of the media articles), so it's possible that his name is on the birth certificate. It's hard to say things when he's not under suspicion, he might not be our favorite person of the year but he's not under suspicion.

Without seeing the birth certificate, we don't know what's written on it, and either way it doesn't pertain to the crime.

Whether JA ever met Bella, whether he kept in touch for news of her, whether he paid child support, or whatever the story is there, he's not under suspicion of killing her, and it is her death that has brought us all here.

He's not the only one who ever slept with a woman without a solid relationship and then left either before the baby was born or shortly after. For some of those men (where the woman has custody) it can be very hard to maintain a relationship, especially with a baby that can't even talk to them properly on the phone. When the absent parent lives in a different state and doesn't have money to go back and visit, then that's an added difficulty. Lots of people are living like this, and whether they're trying or not, their babies don't end up murdered! This child has, but he's not the murderer. JA's story is not an impressive one....but on the other hand due to someone else taking that child's life, he no longer has a chance to change that and make it up to Bella. I'm not trying to start a pity party for JA, I'm just saying that his part (or lack of) in Bella's life is not the crime that caused her to have a thread here. I can be unimpressed with his part as 'father' while still feeling no one deserves to get the news their baby has been mistreated and is now dead they'll never see her again.

I completely agree you you. He's getting a little more criticism than he deserves. Yes, he should have, could have, but not one of us is without mistakes and regrets. He did seem like he was working towards the right path before this mess happened. I do hope that from this point on, in his daughters name, he continues to make better choices for his own precious life and for those around him.

 

[Bootsctr]

I wonder if MM calling Bella a demon has nothing to do with mental illness, but is similiar to an a-hole calling a child a "brat"? Instead of "That little brat won't' go to bed"...It's "That little demon won't go to bed" If someone called a child a brat, no one would be saying maybe they had a mental illness. So yeah I don't think he really thought she was a demon.

RB called Bella a monkey so many times in that video I literally wanted to scream at my computer screen that "SHE'S NOT A MONKEY!!! SHE'S A LITTLE GIRL WHOM YOU ARE SCARING THE YOU-KNOW-WHAT OUT OF HER!!!! I don't think RB or MM had a problem telling people she was a demon, devil-child, etc. to anyone who came into that apartment with them.

 

[justwannahelp]

Usually there is obvious evidence of abuse/homicide. Broken bones, or a baby rushed to the ER because "it stopped breathing or fell" and the medical peeps can clearly see/prove the baby died due to violence.

In this case the coroner found NO SIGNS of foul play on the body. Plus the crime scene is months old and BOTH suspects were living there.

I think it really will come down to "her word against his" and her word isn't good at all.

(ETA funny how MM liked to ramble on about demons and other crazy stuff but he didn't ramble to others when he allegedly "killed the demon named Bella". Only RB talked about it and that was months later).

Yeh. Good point. He was sane enough to know better than to ramble about Bella. AFTER she was dead. I REALLY hope they don't play the insanity card.

People can be into weird stuff but that doesn't make them insane and like the roommate said, "he knew right from wrong". Did mm need some help - like a mental institution? Yes. But he knew better than to kill a baby

 

[Bootsctr]

NOT saying he should get a lesser charge due to insanity. Not even saying he's insane. I think he knows right from wrong.

But it sounds like he though demons were in a lot of things- not just Bella. He told someone a sorcerer pulled out black beads from his dog or something weird like that.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...ong-descent/9UPZB7U1kHjsDEi96BebyH/story.html

Correct me if I am wrong, but even the jury concluded that James Holmes, a diagnosed schizophrenic, knew right from wrong because of the extensive planning in his journals? I don't think anyone is going to cut him slack if he claims insanity. Clearly they both know right from wrong in their actions... I think they're both bat-**** crazy, but they definitely knew they killed Bella and had to hide the evidence.

 

[Amonet]

Joseph Amoroso told The Boston Globe that he knew more than a week ago that his young daughter Bella Bond had been killed, but he didn’t go to authorities. Someone else did.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...any-charges/YTA7sJjk2sjnRSFn8wfOPJ/story.html

The problem with that is that it's the reporter who's written "more than a week ago" and I think they were going by other articles which had loosely stated "the end of last week". But, if you add up all the stories together, it seems that "the end of last week" was the end of the week in which the police were notified and performed the arrest, not the previous week, which the reporter of that article had assumed. So the majority of the articles add up to JA finding out after the police had been notified by the tipster, the afternoon/night before Rachelle's arrest.

So it doesn't seem like it was a whole week, it seems more like 12 hours or so. Yes he should have screamed, cried and called the cops, and instead he took her to his mother's house. I don't know what was going through his head, but I don't know what would go through mine if someone told me something like that. I think it if was something that had just happened, I'd call the police straight away. But if it was something that happened three months earlier and I was believing this 'hostage' story, maybe I would say that they could sleep at mine for the night and then I'd go to the police with them in the morning.

 

[Bootsctr]

I have a hard time seeing her as a follower. However, drugs change people. I didn't know her well enough to say much, other than the fact that I would not be surprised to hear that it was all her show. At age 19-20 she was not a nice person....I can only imagine what years of drugs and hard living would turn her into.

Thank you! She's a bully. Her sister confirmed that statement. Bullies don't take orders from other people. Bullies tell other people what to do or they will kick your arse! That's what RB strikes me as and I never knew her.

 

[Sonya610]

Yeh. Good point. He was sane enough to know better than to ramble about Bella. AFTER she was dead. I REALLY hope they don't play the insanity card.

Since so many claim MM was obsessed with demons I think he WOULD have talked about "killing the demon" if he had killed her.

I don't think he did it and to be honest, on the slight chance that he DID do it I still don't care, he isn't running around popping out babies and abusing them, he isn't the problem, RB is.

 

[Amonet]

I completely agree you you. He's getting a little more criticism than he deserves. Yes, he should have, could have, but not one of us is without mistakes and regrets. He did seem like he was working towards the right path before this mess happened. I do hope that from this point on, in his daughters name, he continues to make better choices for his own precious life and for those around him.

I think it's just because we're in this 'in between' time with no actual news being released, so it gives people more time to think about the side issues.

I really hope there will be something 'good' to hear in the 20th October hearing. Maybe something more from the coroner or from the forensics on the apartment, and just maybe there'll be something that will get one of them to break and confess.

 

[heartgoesout]

He didn't know for a week!

He is not doing a media tour. He is being surrounded by them. He's just naive at this point that everything he is saying is being misreported and a bit skewed. He'll catch on soon.

I genuinely feel his dismay. He knows he messed up.

 

[wondering25]

But how many cases are there every year where a child is killed by mom's boyfriend? What is stopping the boyfriend in any of those cases from blaming mom? And then mom blaming the boyfriend? It does seem like both could blame the other one, but I am positive that thousands of similiar cases have been prosecuted successfully despite that issue. I am genuinely curious as to how the prosecution got past that in other cases. However, I still worry about this case.

A lot of cases show the mom was at work and not present for the beating that led to the child's death. In some cases the child was raped and disappeared and the child was found to have seminal fluid etc that led to the BF. Some kids might even be alert enough to tell the police who beat them before they died. In the little bit of reading I have done on this it seems like both the mom and BF are charged. IMO, RB might be charged with murder but i doubt it. The prosecutor wants a conviction and they have an "eye witness' ready willing and able to testify against the BF. They really dont have a firm date of death so they cant prove who was in the house and who wasn't, for example. It isnt like she can prove she was standing in a line somewhere all day.. seen by witnesses and came home and found the baby dead and called LE.

All that demon stuff is window dressing but makes MM "appear" to be the more disturbed of the two. Juries dont like moms who don't protect their babies. Juries like live in BFs even less. MM is the perfect target.. creepy, dirty, violent leanings, and the mom is an eye witness, who was dominated and too drugged up to do anything to protect her baby, they will allege. Hey, it isnt a perfect scenario and it will be an uphill battle for the prosecutors but it is all they really have. MOO


Anything i write is just my opinion.

 

[Bootsctr]

That sounds like a new-age faith healer doing psychic surgery, not a "sorcerer summoning black beads" to me. The pockets full of crystals fit in with psychic surgery and other new age practices, if he was buying crystals and books on the occult he probably visited new age shops and met psychics/healers.



Symbology "buried" in the images? The swastika wasn't exactly "buried". They make his ramblings about the occult sound like the work of a deranged mind seeing connections and making up theories about "demons" out of thin air. There are numerous books and documentaries linking the Nazis to the occult and those theories were widespread even back in the 1940's.

I think MM was eccentric, he was probably better educated and much better read than the junkies he hung out. When he rambled on about topics they didn't understand they interpreted it all as "satanic".

Another small discrepancy, some articles talk about him holding a "matted little dog" while others stated he frequently shaved the little dog down even if he didn't wash his own hair. I hope the latter is true as that shows he did take care of the animal.

I agree! He certainly didn't change his story when interviewed by LE and when he was told his story differed from RB's and persisted, he requested a lawyer. He may be weird and have mental problems, but I don't think he is stupid.

 

[heartgoesout]

RB called Bella a monkey so many times in that video I literally wanted to scream at my computer screen that "SHE'S NOT A MONKEY!!! SHE'S A LITTLE GIRL WHOM YOU ARE SCARING THE YOU-KNOW-WHAT OUT OF HER!!!! I don't think RB or MM had a problem telling people she was a demon, devil-child, etc. to anyone who came into that apartment with them.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with her term of endearment calling Bella a monkey.

 

[gcharlie]

Anyone familiar enough with Massachusetts law and and cases to know whether they will be tried separately?

The October 20 court date is a status hearing prior to this going in front of a grand jury.

 

[Bootsctr]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with her term of endearment calling Bella a monkey.

No, but so many times in a screeching voice... Just my opinion. I don't know her, hope to never know her and, granted, monkey is better than demon or possessed.

Children do like to pretend around that age. Pretend they're a puppy or a kitty cat. Maybe Bella pretended to be a monkey.

ETA: The video just rubbed me the wrong way. RB got under my skin. She's mentally disturbing too.

 

[Sonya610]

All that demon stuff is window dressing but makes MM "appear" to be the more disturbed of the two. Juries dont like moms who don't protect their babies. Juries like live in BFs even less. MM is the perfect target.. creepy, dirty, violent leanings, and the mom is an eye witness, who was dominated and too drugged up to do anything to protect her baby, they will allege. Hey, it isnt a perfect scenario and it will be an uphill battle for the prosecutors but it is all they really have. MOO


Anything i write is just my opinion.

It is far less than perfect, it looks really bad for the prosecution. I have to wonder if this is Boston politics gone wrong along with panic (a bit like their CPS).

MM will clean up real nice, RB won't. The "witnesses" that testify will be nothing less than a freak show and the defense attorney will tear them into pieces on the stand. Plus plenty will testify AGAINST the star witness (RB).

It appears they can't even prove the child was murdered.

Personally I want word on the status of the little dog, Bailey. Where is the dog and is she okay?

 

[Bootsctr]

Since so many claim MM was obsessed with demons I think he WOULD have talked about "killing the demon" if he had killed her.

I don't think he did it and to be honest, on the slight chance that he DID do it I still don't care, he isn't running around popping out babies and abusing them, he isn't the problem, RB is.

Excellent point! I do think he would have talked about "killing the demon" too. RB telling people DCF took her shut any further conversation down regarding Bella.

 

[allmybecsloveme]

No, but so many times in a screeching voice... Just my opinion. I don't know her, hope to never know her and, granted, monkey is better than demon or possessed.

Children do like to pretend around that age. Pretend they're a puppy or a kitty cat. Maybe Bella pretended to be a monkey.

ETA: The video just rubbed me the wrong way. RB got under my skin. She's mentally disturbing too.

My mom calls me monkey and has from birth. It is just a pet name. Apparently I looked like a monkey when I was born.

Not that it matters. I still can't stand RB or her nasty voice. But just saying

 

[wondering25]

He didn't know for a week!

He is not doing a media tour. He is being surrounded by them. He's just naive at this point that everything he is saying is being misreported and a bit skewed. He'll catch on soon.

I genuinely feel his dismay. He knows he messed up.

JA is an idiot..a buffoon.. he isnt a murderer that i can tell. Any psychiatrist or psychologist will tell you that the only person you can "fix" is yourself. He is toting his bible, looking properly concerned and thinking because he has been saved for ..(what..a few weeks??), he can take on the world and right all the wrongs and be a champion for the underdog and a spokesperson for his dead child.

The facts show and he has admitted he called NO ONE when he found out Bella was dead ( neither did JA's mom) and in fact spent the night with RB at the beach.. WHATTA GUY! MOO A week did NOT elapse from the time he found out until LE was called by MS..just a few hours.. those same 24 hours or so when JA was with RB.

This quote about him knowing that LE had warrants etc was more recent than the the ones that first day saying he called no one. He is trying to soften the backlash against him which is those people who think he should have dropped a dime instead of his underwear when he found out from RB that Bella was dead. JMO

Anything i write in just my opinion.

 

[human]

He didn't know for a week!

He is not doing a media tour. He is being surrounded by them. He's just naive at this point that everything he is saying is being misreported and a bit skewed. He'll catch on soon.

I genuinely feel his dismay. He knows he messed up.

what is his age? He is not a child. He has been around the manipulation block a few times having multiple pages of criminal behavior. I don't buy his waa waa a bit.

I don't know what he was doing for the past three years but I do know "family talk" is prison talk. Many come out spewing that talk. And him being photoed with a Bible-- talk about photo op

 

[Bootsctr]

My mom calls me monkey and has from birth. It is just a pet name. Apparently I looked like a monkey when I was born.

Not that it matters. I still can't stand RB or her nasty voice. But just saying

Awwww! I bet you were a climbing baby too??? My son was never a climber as a 1, 2 or 3-year-old, but then other kids would come over and climb up on anything they could climb and as high as they could get! lol! I would freak out!

I just felt like RB was putting on a show for the camera too. Ugh! She did keep Bella clean and fed. It's hard to give her credit for anything else.