MA - Bella Bond, 2, found dead, Deer Island, Boston Harbor, June 2015 - #6

[BUF]

Could it be that they do have a COD and are not releasing that info until the Oct 20th hearing? They haven't really released any new info.

Maybe the holdup on releasing the body is just who they release it to? IDK

 

[Sonya610]

Man! Who knows? I really don't believe a word out of RB's mouth or anyone other than LE.

I can't see RB and MM having access to a boat or them being straight enough to even operate one.

MOO

Okay this theory may be stretching things but...

According to the map it looks like the house was about 1.5 miles away from the Neponset River (which also appears to have a nature preserve and a large cemetery, no doubt a quiet very close place to drop off a body).

The river enters the Boston Harbor about a mile downstream. I can't find any data on ocean surface currents but....is it possible the body was dropped in the river? At some point it went downstream into the ocean current floating along until it turned up on the shore of Deer Island?

See map here:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Max...4f239712c9!2m2!1d-71.0791265!2d42.2819654!1m0

 

[tlcya]

RB alleges that MM drove and she accompanied to dispose of body at Boston Seaport

Google the seaport. Go to street view and walk it. There are hundreds of areas along the roads there where a car could easily pull over and the occupant need only walk a few feet to toss something into the water. Seafood Way. I notice that this area is like that. As is Fid Kennedy. And so many other areas at the Seaport.

Deer Island is just across the way and It appears as if the currents could carry a body to end up washed ashore on Deer Island.

That is supposing that RB was truthful about where the body was placed.

 

[tlcya]

Okay this theory may be stretching things but...

According to the map it looks like the house was about 1.5 miles away from the Neponset River (which also appears to have a nature preserve and a large cemetery, no doubt a quiet very close place to drop off a body).

The river enters the Boston Harbor about a mile downstream. I can't find any data on ocean surface currents but....is it possible the body was dropped in the river? At some point it went downstream into the ocean current floating along until it turned up on the shore of Deer Island?

See map here:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Max...4f239712c9!2m2!1d-71.0791265!2d42.2819654!1m0

It would be interesting to see how the currents flow with all the islands outside where Neponset meets the harbor. I wonder what the currents do in that area. I don't think the idea is all that out there Sonya.

 

[human]

IF JA has any plans to sue DCYS he is going to need a DNA test establishing paternity.. simple.. that will motivate him. JMO

As a father, doesn't he have more responsibilty than the State? The state shoukd sue him, Using your tool and leaving a deposit does not make a father.

 

[jjenny]

I am curious as to what he can possibly sue for. Loss of companionship? He never actually met the child.

 

[Inthedetails]

Bond’s next-door neighbor, Siomy Torres, said she simply assumed the state Department of Children and Families had taken the child. Bella used to play with Torres’s daughter, and Torres said that until Bella disappeared, Rachelle Bond had been chatty, sharing details of her life, and talking of her joy at having custody of Bella and her desire to be a good mother.

Around the same time, she said, she stopped seeing the girl, and Bond withdrew. Bond stopped speaking to her, she said. Torres did not pry, because Bond seemed unstable.

Hermiz, however, said Bond still wandered up to her apartment to use the phone or ask for her Wi-Fi password.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...orities-say/wLIDYWKmrIBZZgBExcWRsI/story.html

Here is the report where Bond still wandered up to her neighbor's apartment to use the phone after Bella's disappearance. So, I'm thinking at that time she didn't have a phone. Maybe later she did get a cell phone, or she used ML's phone to tell ML's sister that Bella was Baby Doe. MM did have a phone because of the texts between he and ML. Yayaya!

Or maybe she didn't want something traced back to her own phone??

Just brainstorming.

 

[Inthedetails]

the lack of COD is worrisome. I hope it doesn't mean Bella's body sits in limbo with the ME's office for an extended period.

She deserves to be laid to rest with dignity after the treatment it is alleged her body received at the hands of those responsible for her death.

I'm wondering that they are re-examining some things based on RB's story of Bella's death. Perhaps they are trying to reconcile what they found in the autopsy with RB's version of events to see if her story rings true and/or to give them a clue to follow for COD.

JMO.

 

[wondering25]

I am curious as to what he can possibly sue for. Loss of companionship? He never actually met the child.

That doesnt matter.. he can open an estate as the parent. He can sue for neglect..but for the neglect of DCYS, my child would be alive. He never had to ever lay eyes on the baby. Once paternity is established.. he can do this. Will he win? who knows. Here is another example.. 2 people divorce. mom raises the kid.. kid hasnt seen father since he was born. Child dies in car accident. Mother sues the owner of car. Child had no will.. both parents are legally entitled to 1/2 the estate.. RB would probably get nothing because she cant profit off of her crime.. but JA sure could. The key here is to establish paternity.. MOO

Anything I write is just my opinion

 

[Bootsctr]

Okay this theory may be stretching things but...

According to the map it looks like the house was about 1.5 miles away from the Neponset River (which also appears to have a nature preserve and a large cemetery, no doubt a quiet very close place to drop off a body).

The river enters the Boston Harbor about a mile downstream. I can't find any data on ocean surface currents but....is it possible the body was dropped in the river? At some point it went downstream into the ocean current floating along until it turned up on the shore of Deer Island?

See map here:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Max...4f239712c9!2m2!1d-71.0791265!2d42.2819654!1m0

Okay. I don't think your theory is stretching things. In fact, a river would have a strong current and might even push the bag further out into the ocean where it was into the ocean current and was in direct current to Deer Island! Still wondering how long that would take to get to Deer Island. I think she was at Deer Island at the most 2 to 4 days (from one article), but I think likely 2 days at the most at the island. Maybe 2 days to float to the island??

 

[tlcya]

maybe the phone had a minutes per month restriction, so RB had one but didn't sometimes have the minutes available to make calls?

 

[Steleheart]

Bond’s next-door neighbor, Siomy Torres, said she simply assumed the state Department of Children and Families had taken the child. Bella used to play with Torres’s daughter, and Torres said that until Bella disappeared, Rachelle Bond had been chatty, sharing details of her life, and talking of her joy at having custody of Bella and her desire to be a good mother.

Around the same time, she said, she stopped seeing the girl, and Bond withdrew. Bond stopped speaking to her, she said. Torres did not pry, because Bond seemed unstable.

Hermiz, however, said Bond still wandered up to her apartment to use the phone or ask for her Wi-Fi password.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...orities-say/wLIDYWKmrIBZZgBExcWRsI/story.html

Here is the report where Bond still wandered up to her neighbor's apartment to use the phone after Bella's disappearance. So, I'm thinking at that time she didn't have a phone. Maybe later she did get a cell phone, or she used ML's phone to tell ML's sister that Bella was Baby Doe. MM did have a phone because of the texts between he and ML. Yayaya!

Sorry I'm getting lost but who is ML? I thought the friend was Michael Sprinsky and his sister is Laura?

 

[Bootsctr]

Sorry I'm getting lost but who is ML? I thought the friend was Michael Sprinsky and his sister is Laura?

I'm sorry! You're right it is MS. :gaah: I know I was thinking Michael Sprinsky in my head and maybe also Laura and put the L.... Thank you for catching that! Alphabet soup!

 

[Steleheart]

RB alleges that MM drove and she accompanied to dispose of body at Boston Seaport

Google the seaport. Go to street view and walk it. There are hundreds of areas along the roads there where a car could easily pull over and the occupant need only walk a few feet to toss something into the water. Seafood Way. I notice that this area is like that. As is Fid Kennedy. And so many other areas at the Seaport.

Deer Island is just across the way and It appears as if the currents could carry a body to end up washed ashore on Deer Island.

That is supposing that RB was truthful about where the body was placed.

Thank you. It was reported that they drove to a "remote area" of the seaport district. My experience in that area is that there are many driveway type roads behind commercial businesses especially on the channel side.
IMO a prostitute would know this area and where to go with a john and not be seen by security or police, or even know when they patrol.

MOO

ETA: Why are we looking for other locations? lol

 

[Sonya610]

I think RB scared the you-know-what out of him when she told him she was pregnant after the tent-loving. He bolted, but he obviously told his mother.

I read it was more than just tent loving, they were together for 3 months. If they were together most of the time and she wasn't hooking then he can probably be pretty sure he is the father.

(Won't look for link now, have a headache).

 

[BUF]

BBM:

Actually LE doesn't have the body, the OCME does. WHY she hasn't been released.............great question but hypothetically could be to expand previously run testing, run esoteric tests, or the defense teams want to interact with OCME staff & perform their own post(s).

Like you, I'd want scientific proof that JA is the biological dad!

Joypath, thank you for sharing your knowledge on why her body may not have been released yet.

 

[Amonet]

That's what I'm stuck on too. If a body is found in my neighborhood and my husband tells LE he saw me kill this person, I would be charged with murder on his word alone? It doesn't sit right with me.

Sorry, I'm responding to this without reading any subsequent replies first. I think in the example you just gave that you'd probably be pulled in for questioning and asked if you had any links to the deceased and an alibi for the time when they were killed. At the same time they'd be researching those things (in case you lied during questioning). Unless they found some link or some evidence to put you in the area at the right time, I don't think you'd be charged.

But that's not exactly the scenario here. This wasn't a stranger's body, it was someone living in the same house/apartment. If your husband turns up dead and your lodger says he walked in on you and your only just dead husband and then you asked him to help you hide the body...yes, there's a body, a connection, an accusation, and I think you would be charged (if you didn't have a solid alibi). The it would be up to the prosecution to decide if there's enough evidence to take it to grand jury and for the grand jury to decide if there's enough of a case to take it to full trial (if I understand the US processes correctly).

I'm pretty sure people have been convicted in similar circumstances even without a witness to the actual murder.

 

[Amonet]

Okay, this is pure conjecture....

I would be interested in what happened between Christmas and Bella's death. Rachelle had a falling out with the godmother. JA has supposedly told media that he wanted to file for custody?

Rachelle's sister has said that Rachelle was very upset when one of Rachelle's older children was at the sister's home when DCF came to take the child away from Rachelle, and she blamed her sister, causing a bit of a rift?

One of the links in the last few pages said that the neighbors at Rachelle's apartment claim that just before Bella disappeared Rachelle was talking a lot about how happy she was to have Bella with her and not taken away by DCF (like her older children were).

How worried might Rachelle have been about losing Bella? Had JA spoken to her on the phone about the possibility of filing for custody? Remember the meme that got so much attention, the one about hiding a body, and the wording Rachelle typed on it (something about "no one threatens my family", to paraphrase).

Could Rachelle have killed Bella because she was scared someone was going to take Bella away from her?

 

[KaraKitty]

Good Morning. (well it still is in CA)

Ok I have a question about Bella.

I thought I read that RB and MM put 'weights' in the contractor's trash bag with Bella.

Some WS'ers are posting that Bella "floated" to the location where she was found.

So I am guessing that was wrong about bricks (???) in the contractor's trash bag with Bella?



Thanks.

 

[Amonet]

Good Morning. (well it still is in CA)

Ok I have a question about Bella.

I thought I read that RB and MM put 'weights' in the contractor's trash bag with Bella.

Some WS'ers are posting that Bella "floated" to the location where she was found.

So I am guessing that was wrong about bricks (???) in the contractor's trash bag with Bella?



Thanks.

I don't remember where the info about the duffel bag and weights came from, whether it was the arraignment hearing or one of the press stories with JA? But what I remember was that RB supposedly said that first Bella was placed in the contractor's bag, then into the duffel bag with weights (so the duffel bag would contain both the weights and the contractor's bag with the body).