GUILTY MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014 #2 *guilty*

[Cubby]

Her unique look will change as she ages. Hair, weight, sunglasses etc. She could move somewhere and people might not have even heard of the case. It can be easy I think to blend depending on where you go.
Look at Casey Anthony now, she is out and about in basically the same area and not always recognized.
People forget and there is always some other terrible case front and center.
I think what bothers me the most is her and her family believe she did nothing wrong which means they have sided with her and support her. Yes she is their daughter but what she did I could not support if that had been my daughter. And I truely feel that if she had not been coaching him he would be alive today. He got out of the truck and it was her prompting him to get back in that was his demise.
JMO

Maybe not on the street but background checks are far more common these days and it's likely those background check will be major road blocks for her.

 

[The Farm]

I can only hope that her life will be full of road blocks.
Now I have a question on that if she did change her name and move away does the same social security number go with you or are you able to change that at the same time? Then you would be a whole different person and a background check would show nothing. That is crazy?
I thought I remember reading something on that some time ago but can't remember the details.

 

[U2forever]

Yes and I think she had also contacted her friends about being worried about him before that looking for sympathy, so him getting out of the truck ruined her plan to "grieve " his death IIRC.

How do you spell Evil?
Michelle Carter

 

[La Louve]

I can only hope that her life will be full of road blocks.
Now I have a question on that if she did change her name and move away does the same social security number go with you or are you able to change that at the same time? Then you would be a whole different person and a background check would show nothing. That is crazy?
I thought I remember reading something on that some time ago but can't remember the details.

BBM

From personal experience, I can tell you that changing your name does not get you a new social security number.

 

[Jewels53]

Where are they getting their money?

Woman convicted in boyfriend's suicide hires Boston Bomber's lawyer


Carter’s new defense team – which includes a defense attorney for Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev – stated in the February 5 request that the conviction violated state and the country’s constitutional legislation, and that it set a concerning “precedent for who may be prosecuted for encouraging suicide with words alone.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/0...ends-suicide-hires-boston-bombers-lawyer.html

 

[KaaBoom]

BBM

From personal experience, I can tell you that changing your name does not get you a new social security number.

Correct, but that doesn't prevent someone from changing their name and also applying for a new SSN.

 

[La Louve]

Correct, but that doesn't prevent someone from changing their name and also applying for a new SSN.

Sure she could try, but it's not that simple. To apply for a new Social Security number she would have to provide her birth certificate as evidence of her age and US citizenship. Changing her name would not change the name on her birth certificate. She would have to show proof of how she got from her birth name to her new name. Once they had her birth name they would check to see if she'd already had a SSN issued to her in her original name. It's highly likely she already has a SSN in her birth name. https://www.ssa.gov/forms/ss-5.pdf

When I changed my name, I had to apply in person to change the name on my Social Security card. I had to bring an official copy of my birth certificate, a copy of my adoption papers, a copy of my marriage license and divorce decree, and the original court order changing my name to what it is now.

As I recall, Terri Horman tried to change her name in a court in California and got rejected by the courts.

 

[The Farm]

La Louve so what you are saying is when you changed your name you then changed it on your SS but retained the same number, correct?
At her age she certainly already has a SS number.
I was just trying to figure out how that worked because many people change their name for whatever reason that of course already have their SS number so I did not know if you got a new number to go with the new name if in fact someone was in a dangerous domestic situation or a witness in a bad case where they need to hide for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for your input.

 

[La Louve]

La Louve so what you are saying is when you changed your name you then changed it on your SS but retained the same number, correct?
At her age she certainly already has a SS number.
I was just trying to figure out how that worked because many people change their name for whatever reason that of course already have their SS number so I did not know if you got a new number to go with the new name if in fact someone was in a dangerous domestic situation or a witness in a bad case where they need to hide for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for your input.

BBM yes, that's correct. They issued me a new card in my new name, but my SSN stayed the same.

There ARE provisions for getting a new number if you are the victim of major identity theft or harrassment, but it requires a lot of documentation.

https://faq.ssa.gov/link/portal/34011/34019/article/3789/can-i-change-my-social-security-number

from the link:
"Can I change my Social Security number?
We can assign a different number only if:

Sequential numbers assigned to members of the same family are causing problems;
More than one person is assigned or using the same number;
A victim of identity theft continues to be disadvantaged by using the original number;
There is a situation of harassment, abuse or life endangerment; or
An individual has religious or cultural objections to certain numbers or digits in the original number. (We require written documentation in support of the objection from a religious group with which the number holder has an established relationship.)
When we assign a different Social Security number, we do not destroy the original number. We cross-refer the new number with the original number to make sure the person receives credit for all earnings under both numbers.

People who want to ask for a new Social Security number must:

Apply in person at a Social Security office;
Complete an application;
Provide a statement explaining the reasons for needing a new number;
Provide current, credible, third-party evidence documenting the reasons for needing a new number; and
Provide original documents establishing:
U.S. citizenship or work-authorized immigration status;
Age;
Identity; and
Evidence of a legal name change, if appropriate.
For more information about changing your Social Security number in domestic violence cases, see New Numbers For Domestic Violence Victims.

To request a different Social Security number, contact your local Social Security office for an in-person appointment."

 

[KaaBoom]

La Louve so what you are saying is when you changed your name you then changed it on your SS but retained the same number, correct?
At her age she certainly already has a SS number.
I was just trying to figure out how that worked because many people change their name for whatever reason that of course already have their SS number so I did not know if you got a new number to go with the new name if in fact someone was in a dangerous domestic situation or a witness in a bad case where they need to hide for the rest of their lives.
Thank you for your input.

You can keep your SSN, which is generally recommended for many reasons, or you can also get a new SSN.

How to Get a New Social Security Number

 

[HMSHood]

Michelle Carter trial: Texts grew darker days before suicide
http://cbs4indy.com/2017/06/08/michelle-carter-trial-texts-grew-darker-days-before-suicide/

‘I’m alone all the time”

Boardman and other classmates testified about exchanging texts with Carter about the defendant’s struggles with an apparent eating disorder, about her loneliness and feelings of worthlessness over not having friends, and about her “cutting” herself at times.

One classmate, Olivia “Livy” Mosolgo, testified that Carter sought to get the attention of girls who had stopped talking to her and lamented not having friends.

In one text, Mosolgo told the court, Carter asked her to stop complimenting her as “pretty” and “wonderful” because she wasn’t invited to parties.

“Livy, I have like no friends,” one text said.

“No one hangs out with me,” said another. “I’m alone all the time.”

Looking at Michelle Carter, she complains frequently about being lonely and not being invited to parties. This would suggest that Michelle Carter is an injustice collector.

Injustice Collectors
http://www.psybersquare.com/family/family_injustice.html

1.) Injustice Collectors are convinced that they are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It is simple: They are always right.

2.) Injustice Collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3.) Injustice Collectors truly believe that they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others chronically do not hold themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4.) Injustice Collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combined legislator, police, and judge and jury of

5.) Injustice Collectors never worry about what is wrong with themselves as their "bad list" grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6.) Injustice Collectors are never upset by the disparity of their rules for others with their own expectations of themselves.

7.) Injustice Collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

Carter shows 1, 2, 6, and 7

Here are more with 20 characteristics
https://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/11/25/are-they-injustice-collector

Characteristics of Injustice Collectors

1. Injustice collectors are never wrong. How is it possible that they are never wrong? It's simple: They are always right.

2. Injustice collectors never apologize. Ever. For anything.

3. Injustice collectors truly believe they are morally and ethically superior to others and that others seem incapable of holding themselves to the same high standards as the injustice collector does.

4. Injustice collectors make the rules, break the rules and enforce the rules of the family. They are a combination of legislator, police, judge and jury to those they consider their subjects. They forever banish from their kingdom any subject they deem disloyal, and only grant clemency if there is sufficient (in their eyes) contrition.

5. Injustice collectors never worry about what is wrong with them as their "bad" list grows. Their focus is always on the failings of others.

6. Injustice collectors are never troubled by the disparity between their rules for others and their own expectations of themselves. Injustice collectors rationalize their own behavior with great ease and comfort.

7. Injustice collectors have an external orientation; the problem always exists in the world, outside of themselves, and in their view, the world would be an acceptable place if their rules and standards were followed at all times.

8. Injustice collectors do not have a capacity for remorse, empathy or guilt.

9. Injustice collectors scoff at the idea of therapy, therapists, self-help books, and other tools used by people who struggle to live with them.

10. The phrase "walking on eggshells" describes life with an injustice collector.

11. The IC (injustice Collector) will prey upon your weaknesses to frame all issues in their terms.

12. IC's will always cry foul when you are 'mean' to them and accuse you of being nasty when you are confronting them with their negative behavior.

13. They are titanically insecure and cannot trust anyone. All relationships they have, even with their own parents and children and trustless and must be reinforced by subordination over and over.

14. They can only strengthen relationships through imprisoning their mates and banning behaviors and other relationships. Friends and family are a huge threat to the IC.

15. They must repetitively revisit situations where you service them, give in to them and agree with them. They will over time shrink your world to a small plot of empty activities that only they like. They are terrified of travel, meeting new people, understanding new concepts and paroling you from any punishment they have previously 'convicted' you of.

16. They do not care about you at all, they care about aggrandizing themselves with you as an assistant producer.

17. They will occasionally do something for you, but if you are not completely brainwashed, it will be a negative experience for you in the end. Example is throwing you a birthday party. I guarantee you will not have fun at your own party.

18. They will force you to choose between them and other things you like or love. The more you choose them, the more they will make you choose them over and over. They do not understand the concept of loyalty at all.

19. Hypocrisy is their modus operandi for debating and arguing with you. Everything they say about you is true about them. (aka Projection) It makes it so you try to 'win' fights by getting them to agree with you, which they never can because their whole position is false.

20. Your life will disappear into their lives. Your hopes and dreams will fade, even in your own mind. You will eat what they want, you will watch what they want on TV, you will vacation where they want, or not at all.

Carter shows 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20.

Injustice collectors are extreme narcissists and often paranoid. Carter is extremely narcissistic.

However, injustice collectors are driven by revenge and are often driven by envy and resentment, which is not the case with Carter. She was driven to get attention and sympathy. That would indicate more Munchausen syndrome by proxy (MSBP). She drove Conrad Roy to suicide because she knew it would get more sympathy from people.

Her loneliness and not being invited to parties is her own doing because of her extreme self-absorption. She wants people to feel sorry for her. It gives her attention she loves. This is a person who wants to be liked and accepted.

Websleuth Radio Interview Tina Meier
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/09/30/tricias-true-crime-radio-adult-cyber-bullying

It starts at the 20:40 mark from September 2013 Websleuths Radio Interview. Tina Meier, Megan Meier's mother, is describing Lori Drew as a very talkative person who complained nonstop. Drew is described as intensely sociable and clingy like Michelle Carter. Meier's description of Drew describes Michelle Carter well. Carter shares many characteristics with Lori Drew. Both are highly narcissistic, volatile, and temperamental. They lack empathy and are highly self-absorbed. However, Drew is driven by revenge that stems from abandonment and rejection, like in Jodi Arias, Betty Broderick, and Dora Cisneros. Drew is more driven by injustice collecting or grudging holding, unlike Carter. That is more like Jodi Arias, Elliot Rodger, Eric Harris, Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, Omar Mateen, or Osama bin Laden.

Friend Game
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/01/21/friend-game

The more I think about Michelle Carter, she is a clear cut injustice collector as she is an extreme narcissist. She has a hard time of letting go of things and is consumed by envy. She complains constantly and wants everyone to know her plight.

 

[The Farm]

I have never heard of an "injustice collector" and if I have I do not remember it,very interesting. Thank you for posting this HMS Hood.
Michelle has big problems which is evident and it burns me to no end that she is home doing what she would normally do.
No matter what the outcome of this I will never see her as innocent.

 

[HMSHood]

I have never heard of an "injustice collector" and if I have I do not remember it,very interesting. Thank you for posting this HMS Hood.
Michelle has big problems which is evident and it burns me to no end that she is home doing what she would normally do.
No matter what the outcome of this I will never see her as innocent.

Your welcome The Farm.

Michelle Carter shows characteristics of an injustice collector because of her constant complaining and envy. This is on top of her Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy.

Her characteristics are similar to Lori Drew, Jodi Arias, Yoselyn Ortega, and Betty Broderick.

 

[Jewels53]

It's not over for Michelle Carter as Supreme Judicial Court agrees to hear appeal of woman convicted of pressuring boyfriend to kill himself

The Massachusetts Supreme Judical Court will take on the appeal of Michelle Carter, the Plainville woman convicted last June of manslaughter for pressuring her boyfriend Conrad Roy III into killing himself.

On Wednesday, the SJC approved Carter's petition to bypass the Massachusetts Appeals Court in favor of review by the state's highest court.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/03/supreme_judicial_court_to_hear_1.html

I hope they hurry up and get this over with and don't overturn the conviction. jmo

 

[borndem]

Your welcome The Farm.

Michelle Carter shows characteristics of an injustice collector because of her constant complaining and envy. This is on top of her Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy.

Her characteristics are similar to Lori Drew, Jodi Arias, Yoselyn Ortega, and Betty Broderick.

bbm
MBP - Without a doubt. We saw it throughout the entire case. She identified someone she could dominate with her brand of love and caring, and she accomplished her plan easily with that sweet young man who just needed someone to build him up. She took him down like a raptor taking a baby rabbit.

MBP is Carter all over & back. "Oh, poor me. Thank you for your pity, it makes me feel ever so much better."
I don't want to even think about her taking care of, or having, a baby or child. It makes me angry and almost nauseous. Let's hope she is too selfish to think about that horror.

 

[The Farm]

Please refresh my memory, why is it that they are bypassing the Appeals Court?

 

[Steleheart]

Carter was given a 2 1⁄2-year jail sentence, with 15 months to serve, last summer after Judge Lawrence Moniz found her responsible for Conrad Roy III’s July 2014 suicide. According to evidence presented by Bristol prosecutors, Carter encouraged Roy to kill himself through texts and phone calls and told him to “get back in” his truck as it filled with deadly carbon monoxide fumes.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/lo...ndmark_michelle_carter_texting_suicide_appeal

I truly wish this woman would spend some time in jail.

 

[MsJosie]

I get so wrapped up in reading all the posts and attachments that I forget to hit the Thanks Button to all of you. So a BIG THANKS! :tyou::tyou::tyou:

I have a question or opinion....with what we know, whether MC serves time or not, do people like her get in trouble with the law again, over and over? It is scary to think.

 

[flourish]

I just watched an episode of "A Crime to Remember," which reminds me of this case, as well as the Colorado case of Natalie Bollinger.

It's an interesting story about a teenage girl in 1961 in Odessa, Texas. She comes up missing and the events surrounding her disappearance didn't get any less mysterious once she was found.

This article gives a good overview of the story.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/a-kiss-before-dying/

 

[HMSHood]

I get so wrapped up in reading all the posts and attachments that I forget to hit the Thanks Button to all of you. So a BIG THANKS! :tyou::tyou::tyou:

I have a question or opinion....with what we know, whether MC serves time or not, do people like her get in trouble with the law again, over and over? It is scary to think.

Someone like Michelle Carter is the kind who would get in trouble again.