MA - Conrad Roy, 18, urged by friend, commits suicide, Fairhaven, 13 July 2014

[Miss Muffet]

Text to Conrad's mother: "do you know where he is?"

Clarification. This text was to his sister, not his mother.

 

[Miss Muffet]

We need to see the actual warrant.

 

[DexterMorgan]

July 12, 2014: 8:02 p.m.: Texts a friend: “He just called me and there was a loud noise like a motor and Iheard moaning like someone was in pain and he wouldn’t answer when I said his name I stayed on the phone for like 20 mins and that’s all i heard.”


I think she was speaking to him during those 20 minutes and he was saying I dont want to do it. I doubt she would just listen in to a dead line. Since his phone was right next to him; she knew the police would be comming after her. So this text was her acting like she didnt know.



Sept. 15, 2014: Carter texts a friend: “...his death is my fault like honestly I could have stopped him I was on the phone with him and he got out of the car because it was working and he got scared and I (expletive) told him to get back in... because I knew he would do it all over again the next day and I couldn’t have him live the way he was living anymore I couldn’t do it I wouldn’t let him...”

Now she is saying that she knew that he changed his mind and that he was very scared but she decided to tell him to get back in there and kill himself.
Plus she wanted him to call her so he wouldnt back out. That is conspiracy to commit murder. She didnt tell anybody anything while she was playing the devils advocate. jmo

Also she is caught lying with in these 2 texts. First she says that she didnt speak to him during that last 20 minute call and then the next text she says that she spoke to him during that final call and told him to do it.

So now we can clearly see how manipulative Michelle is. She is definitely related to jodi and casey and this has a nancy grace bombshell written all over it.

I think that since she looks like the all american teen, some judge or jury will go easy on her. But hopefully a prosecutor like juan martinez will viciously seek justice. Btw: I wonder if jose baez (caseys lawyer) join the defense team already. Hmmm

 

[LvsAMystry]

Clarification. This text was to his sister, not his mother.

I know in the latest article you posted, it notes she texted the sister. There are others that reference her having contacted the mother, I should have clarified. I'm sure there may be confusion with the texts and timeline of them so it'll be interesting when more info comes out.

 

[Miss Muffet]

....this has a nancy grace bombshell written all over it.

Damn. I might need to get cable just for this. I joke. I love my cable independence.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I know in the latest article you posted, it notes she texted the sister. There are others that reference her having contacted the mother, I should have clarified. I'm sure there may be confusion with the texts and timeline of them so it'll be interesting when more info comes out.

That's why we need to see the warrant instead of relying on journalists. I recall the text to the mother were long after his death about doing everything she could. Someone posted that she texted details of his death to his sister, but I don't see anything anywhere that says that.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I am just waiting to hear that she took the $2300 that she raised in honor of Conrad and spent it on shopping while sipping on lattes from Starbucks.

 

[LvsAMystry]

I am just waiting to hear that she took the $2300 that she raised in honor of Conrad and spent it on shopping while sipping on lattes from Starbucks.

If so, I'm sure there's a selfie somewhere documenting it ��

 

[DexterMorgan]

That's why we need to see the warrant instead of relying on journalists. I recall the text to the mother were long after his death about doing everything she could. Someone posted that she texted details of his death to his sister, but I don't see anything anywhere that says that.

I think this is why it took so long to bring charges. This girl has maybe over 10,000 text, tweets, and posts which pertain to before and after the death of conrad. I am very sure that it took months to draw up the ultimate timeline. Plus they may have investigated other aspects of her life and social media as well. I also think they were speaking to people and finding out other things about her.

Now she did text or converse with his 13 year old sister and left her in hysterics. Plus one conversation that she had with the mother (that we know about) was stated that the mother told michelle that the cops will be looking to examine michelles phone.

But you are right about us needing to see the full actual text and social media transcripts. But first I think her lawyer will want to highlight everything in there that he wants thrown out.

 

[Hoosgirl]

So sad for his family. In a previous suicide attempt, a different girl saved his life. If only that had been the situation this time.

http://m.southcoasttoday.com/article/20150228/NEWS/150229439

 

[Miss Muffet]

So sad for his family. In a previous suicide attempt, a different girl saved his life. If only that had been the situation this time.

http://m.southcoasttoday.com/article/20150228/NEWS/150229439

Oh, my. That's so sad. "Difficulty getting him to go to school and into the classroom with other kids" indicates social anxiety. I'll bet his medication wasn't appropriate or the proper dosage.

 

[wendybtn]

Just goes to show how early psychopathology can show itself. Now everyone that ever gets involved with her has access to the truth of what she is. Sociopaths are never happier than when manipulating and faking people out. But she can count on most people to take her at face value, unfortunately.

 

[wendybtn]

Also she is caught lying with in these 2 texts. First she says that she didnt speak to him during that last 20 minute call and then the next text she says that she spoke to him during that final call and told him to do it.

So now we can clearly see how manipulative Michelle is. She is definitely related to jodi and casey and this has a nancy grace bombshell written all over it.

I think that since she looks like the all american teen, some judge or jury will go easy on her. But hopefully a prosecutor like juan martinez will viciously seek justice. Btw: I wonder if jose baez (caseys lawyer) join the defense team already. Hmmm

Can you imagine how happy a psychopath she was during that 20 minutes?

 

[tlcya]

Wonder why she didn't encourage him to call the suicide prevention hotline? She is obviously familiar with the number. Instead she actively encouraged him to do this, even telling him to finish the job when he told her he was aborting. Rhetorical question. I already know the answer. She is a despicable example of humanity.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Wonder why she didn't encourage him to call the suicide prevention hotline? She is obviously familiar with the number. Instead she actively encouraged him to do this, even telling him to finish the job when he told her he was aborting. Rhetorical question. I already know the answer. She is a despicable example of humanity.

Thats the onion. Advocate suicide prevention immediately after telling your depressed friend to just get back in there and kill yourself. Good thing she didnt answer calls on a suicide hotline. She would be facing 30 years with what she did and the ongoing dedicated persistence she displayed while doing it. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

I understand what Lulu is saying though. There are some people who threaten suicide to manipulate or gain attention.

My neighbor is like that. She doesn't do it to me, but she does it with all her family members. One day I was telling her she was an adult who has a responsibility to care for her children, and she told me she appreciated my honesty because people usually walk on eggshells for fear she'll commit suicide. (Something I learned that very moment she said it.) My immediate response was to tell her she needed to be committed if what I said made her feel suicidal. I further told her I felt she was being manipulative and using suicide threats to escape her family from holding her accountable for her responsibilities. She admitted it.

Since she has spent a lifetime doing it and successfully manipulating her mother and later her boyfriends and husband, it's ingrained in her personality and the only way she knows how to interact with loved ones. As a result, she could go over the edge and actually committing suicide if her manipulations no longer worked and her close family members who historically bowed to her feet whenever she threatened suddenly sounded like they didn't care and wished she was dead.

I could see an immature almost young adult not being equipped to handle that type of personality, and eventually saying, "Why don't you do it?" and "Why haven't you done it?" and "Why didn't you do it? and "When are you going to do it?" BUT her other behavior--- acting like she was worried about him, texting his sister, etc.---indicates she was being malicious when she said these things. If she hadn't done the other things, I could believe a defense of her not believing him.

Your post gave me pause and made me think hard. It reminded me that I once told my 16 yr old daughter to say something very similar to her ex boyfriend. She had broken up with this kid because he was mean and manipulative and it was her first relationship. He was 18 and she was almost 17.

After they broke up he started calling her late at night saying he was going to kill himself. I called his mother and told her about the threats in case they were real. She actually laughed and said PFFTTTTTT. :waitasec:

So when he continued to do this I told my daughter he was manipulating her and GUILTING HER. So the next time he called to tell her he was going to kill himself she said GO AHEAD. I guess that would have looked really bad if he had done it?

But I guess the main difference here is that my DD NEVER contacted him,texted him or called him. She tried hard to avoid him. They never discussed suicide or how or why. He would just cry and threaten it, and she would say things like 'go get some help, you need counseling,I need to hang up. '
She never ever wanted him to do it. She was afraid he might and that was the power he had over her.

There are people who manipulate others by making these kinds of threats. And if you are being 'held hostage' you might just say 'go ahead.' But I don't think that is the case with MC. She went far beyond that kind of interaction. She encouraged him and egged him on in a powerfully destructive way. It was not just calling his bluff.

 

[katydid23]

That's why we need to see the warrant instead of relying on journalists. I recall the text to the mother were long after his death about doing everything she could. Someone posted that she texted details of his death to his sister, but I don't see anything anywhere that says that.

I have not seen that text to the 13 yr old either. But they might have held it back from public consumption since she is only 13.

 

[Cubby]

Is it at all possible Conrad planned this and begged her to help him in case he chickened out? Could the texts to the sister have been actual writings from Conrad and she sent them at his request?

We have seen many teen suicide pacts and this sounds like it could fit that scenario. Maybe she isn't the psychopath everyone perceives she is at this point. Maybe they both agreed to make this happen.

Or could she have kept him texting the only way she thought she could? Maybe she did not believe he was really doing it so was being really flippant about it all and was trying to actually send help?

I am trying to see this from every possible angle, but it is difficult.

RIP Conrad Roy

In a text sent to a friend two months after his death, Carter said Roy had gotten out of the truck because he was scared, but she told him to get back in.“I knew he would do it all over again the next day, and I couldn’t have him live the way he was living anymore,” she wrote. “I couldn’t do it. I wouldn’t let him.”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...end-suicide/WM5yHKA5IpobG2WXEWHLFM/story.html

I had considered a pact until I read the above statement of MC's. This tells me she chose the option and saw no other option for him. Depression, when treated properly, isn't a terminal illness. Conrad needed support and acceptence to seek medical help to control his depression with proper med's. Not encouragement the only answer was suicide.

I suffer from depression and have suffered from depression as long as I can remember into my early childhood. I'm finally on the right combination of med's and feel happy and normal. I just wish it was someone who really understood that was there to support Conrad, not someone who had so little knowledge she convinced him there was no other answer.

Sleep peacefully Conrad.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I wonder if she confessed to her parents, and they came up with the idea of her doing a fundraiser for suicide prevention to protect her from any possible legal action that might ensue. The fundraiser was two months after his suicide. I can't imagine a teenager who is supposedly traumatized by the suicide of a boyfriend having the motivation and wherewithal to come up with the idea of a fundraiser and organize it within two months.

 

[Miss Muffet]

I have not seen that text to the 13 yr old either. But they might have held it back from public consumption since she is only 13.

It's in a link I posted this morning with the list of texts quoted from the article.