Great idea! <modsnip - off topic> and the trampling of the family's human rights as well as that of the deceased victim needs a thorough investigation.
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Great idea! <modsnip - off topic> and the trampling of the family's human rights as well as that of the deceased victim needs a thorough investigation.
Glad to see that the Congressmember for their district is looking into the situation with the goal of getting the facts about what happened. I hoped that something like this would happen, since the Mayor, City Council, BFD, and BPD all seem to be at odds over what transpired and aren't necessarily working on behalf of the best interests of the children involved.
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But in her radio interview Monday, Wu seemed to imply that the difference in the descriptions of the incident the two agencies put out likely has more to do with their varying roles in the investigation than anything else.
"There is no reason to question the integrity of any of our agencies and the words they put into those reports. Each one of them works to save lives and ensure the safety of those involved," she said. "There has been additional color and rumor injected into this from other places, and we just want to make sure everyone stays focused on letting everyone do their work. It's still an ongoing death investigation."
Wu said Boston EMS and the Boston Fire Department were first to respond to the scene, and police were called in later once it became a death investigation.
"I think it's important to remember that each of our first responder agencies has a different role to play when on scene at an emergency response," she said. "Each of them arrive at different points in time."
ETA: Wu confirmed Monday that all four children remain in DCF custody.
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Wu: ‘No reason to question integrity of any of our agencies' in South Boston death investigation
After being called out for disputing reports from fire officials, Boston Mayor Michelle Wu on Monday said there is no reason for anyone to doubt either fire or police accounts of a recent South Boston death investigation. During an appearance on on WBUR’s “Radio Boston,” Wu was asked about the...www.nbcboston.com
What divisive comments? TIA.MOO
Nice little back-step ya got there, Mayor Wu
I think she was feelin the heat, from her divisive comments last week.
I just referred back to your linked BFD narrative. It doesn't mention firefighters hearing "cries for help".Did they barge in or were they trying to find the source of the cries for help from another room (while EMS was working on the patient) ?
Lots of things we all see differently.
I just referred back to your linked BFD narrative. It doesn't mention firefighters hearing "cries for help".
"Ladder 18 responded and found Boston EMS in the middle of a working arrest. Ladder 18 assisted EMS during medical operations. The apartment was in extreme unsanitary conditions. Approximately 6 adults, who appeared to be males, were seen in the apartment. Ladder 18 found 4 children in the back bedroom being hidden by an adult male from first responders. The children ranged in ages from 5-10. All the adult parties were being uncooperative and did not provide helpful information. All adults present denied having children inside the apartment. Boston Police and Boston EMS were on scene. Ladder 18 filed a 51A form with the appropriate state agency."
Police dispute sordid details of Boston case where 4 kids were found
the only reference to cries for help I can find is from one of the Boston city councilors, Erin Murphy, here.
She doesn't name any source for the info she states as fact. she simply states it.
The Boston Police have stated that the adults did not hide or deny there were children in the apartment. They released a press release to rebut unsubstantiated claims in the stemming from a purported Boston Fire report. The BFD report is still not public. The Boston Herald now states it is looking for "more official sources" to substantiate its previous claims. Link provided above.Ahhh... I sit corrected. Maybe they heard children's voices coming from the room despite the denial there were any children present??
What divisive comments? TIA.
but then I circle back to why are firefighters asking if children are present in the apartment and what does that have to do with the purpose of their visit, which is rendering aid?Ahhh... I sit corrected. Maybe they heard children's voices coming from the room despite the denial there were any children present??
The Boston Police have stated that the adults did not hide or deny there were children in the apartment. They released a press release to rebut unsubstantiated claims in the stemming from a purported Boston Fire report. The BFD report is still not public. The Boston Herald now states it is looking for "more official sources" to substantiate its previous claims. Link provided above.
Thank you! I didn't register her prior comments correcting the record as divisive. It reads to me that she is explaining that different departments have different functions. The mayor didn't manufacture this situation. She calmed hysteria with facts and rebutted the salacious reporting. She appears to have done due diligence, including viewing photographs taken at the time in the apartment. The mayor assured people this is not being swept under the rug, that there are active investigations by DCYF and the police. Ultimately, though, the mayor is accountable to the residents of the city, not either union.They are in the article which was just posted.
IMO, She claimed/insinuated that the BFD's report was not factual, and only the BPD's report mattered. She is the mayor for cryin out loud! You don't set your Fire Department up, throw them under the bus...and then expect Unity!!?? IMO
Today however, it appears as though she believes both sides. Feels they are both VITAL to the well being of her city. Imagine that...
Ladder 18 responded and found Boston EMS in the middle of a working arrest. [snip] Boston Police and Boston EMS were on scene.How long after it was declared a death investigation did the BPD arrive?? (From the link I posted previously) I don't think we know, and it's possible that by that time the children had been discovered by BFD... so, of course, they weren't being hidden.
IMO I think establishing how many and who is present when emergency services arrive on scene would be standard practice for safety reasons. And if those present said no one else was there, but the the emergency personnel could hear other people or children. I imagine that would need to be investigated to find out why.but then I circle back to why are firefighters asking if children are present in the apartment and what does that have to do with the purpose of their visit, which is rendering aid?
As more comes out here is what I think happened. I think responders arrived at a filthy unsanitary apartment in the projects. They find a bio male in female garb in distress, a bunch of other adult males who may or may not also be in female garb. They see children's toys, clothing, or other items indicating children might be present or reside there or they hear crying. They report concerns about the squalid, possibly overcrowded condition of the apartment.
The rest of the more salacious stuff is simply from people who were not there, have extrapolated what they want to believe about the scene that day and here we are left to try to parse out the truth of what happened from the baloney told by people who weren't there and whose motivations may simply be to be on the six o'clock news.
Ladder 18 responded and found Boston EMS in the middle of a working arrest. [snip] Boston Police and Boston EMS were on scene.
according to BFD's own narrative, EMS was there when they arrived. it reiterates later in the narrative that BPD was also present on the scene. How long do you think the ladder truck and its personnel stayed at the scene after they arrived to find EMS already working on the patient? How long do you think it took BPD to arrive onscene such that the ladder truck personnel were still present when they arrived?
ETA we aren't talking hours, we are talking mere minutes if that long. MOO
I don't know a thing about Boston or the politicians there, but this actually sounded pretty fair minded.But in her radio interview Monday, Wu seemed to imply that the difference in the descriptions of the incident the two agencies put out likely has more to do with their varying roles in the investigation than anything else.
"There is no reason to question the integrity of any of our agencies and the words they put into those reports. Each one of them works to save lives and ensure the safety of those involved," she said. "There has been additional color and rumor injected into this from other places, and we just want to make sure everyone stays focused on letting everyone do their work. It's still an ongoing death investigation."
Wu said Boston EMS and the Boston Fire Department were first to respond to the scene, and police were called in later once it became a death investigation.
"I think it's important to remember that each of our first responder agencies has a different role to play when on scene at an emergency response," she said. "Each of them arrive at different points in time."
ETA: Wu confirmed Monday that all four children remain in DCF custody.
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Wu: ‘No reason to question integrity of any of our agencies' in South Boston death investigation
After being called out for disputing reports from fire officials, Boston Mayor Michelle Wu on Monday said there is no reason for anyone to doubt either fire or police accounts of a recent South Boston death investigation. During an appearance on on WBUR’s “Radio Boston,” Wu was asked about the...www.nbcboston.com
Just because a child gets placed into DCF custody does not mean they are up for adoption, that’s not how it works. The parent will be given a list of criteria they must meet to get the child back. Once the criteria is met, the child goes back to the parent and are checked on for an amount of time. If the criteria is still being met, the case is closed.Murphy1950 said:
On Saturday, Boston Police and Fire crews responded to 381 Old Colony Avenue
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Boston City Council will hold hearing after four kids found near corpse, drugs, sex toys
“I filed this hearing order to address what happened at the (Boston Housing Authority) Saturday,” Boston City Councilor-At-Large Erin Murphy told the Herald in a Tuesday text message. “It will come…
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So the police misread the whole mess?? I don't think so.
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I feel like this could be a total whopper of a story to get people up in arms, if you catch my drift. I haven't seen it too widely reported on however. Regardless of any & everything, RIP to the deceased person, and may the children be adopted into loving and understanding homes.
I honestly hope you're wrong. If the initial reports hadn't mentioned anything other than "6 adult men" and the rest of it were still being reported... that the report would be buried.The irony of this whole situation is if the initial reports hadn't mentioned there was some questions regarding the gender of those in attendance, the report would have been buried among many other reports of child neglect in the state. No one is blind to the issue of LGBT+, drag queens and children that have been taking top spot in the news lately. Someone saw a story to exploit. IMO
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