SOLVED MA - Jane Britton, 22, Harvard student, Cambridge, 7 Jan 1969

  • #421
The papers reported that Jane was assaulted not long before her murder, by a guy whom she turned a knife on and cut his clothing.

Then there was Ada Bean, murdered by blunt trauma in her apartment less than a mile from Jane's apt, and not very long after Jane was killed.

I'm sure there were other attacks reported, and mentioned upthread, just can't recall them off the top of my head.

Thanks, I should have clarified that I meant incidents other than murder, like sex assaults or other break ins that perhaps were not reported or were swept under the rug to protect school reputation..
 
  • #422
Hoping you'll get some time to elaborate on this on a bit, Don.

I was wondering how long the break was - both Jane & James were only just back from time with their parents, IIRC.

While I wholly mistrust anything the papers said at the time, now, I still have to ask whether you were at all aware of the person who apparently asked Jane out and was rejected, and was mentioned a few times as a person of interest to police.

I'm wondering if that happened prior to the trip home, or in the short time since she'd returned.

I don't remember how long the break was. Now that we're used to seeing everything online, it seems odd not to be able to bring up a Harvard academic calendar for 1968-69, or any other year around then.

It's possible that the rejected person is the person I think was responsible, but it's hard to know. What's the newspaper report in question?

And as for the "other assaults" questions - I was responding to what I remember about the Harvard community, not about Cambridge in general.

And as for the business of an attack and a knife -- you've triggered a vague memory about something like that. It was a long time ago. But I feel certain that if whatever the incident was had been a big deal for Jane, she'd have talked about it (we all would have) and I'd have remembered it. I'm saying that I doubt there was ever a serious attack on her that she fought off with a knife.

I'm not happy being reminded of the vagaries of memory, particularly my memory.

As it happens, I've been unpacking boxes of old papers that I haven't looked at for years. I might run into carbons of letters. But I'll say that I'm not going to be looking file folder by file folder -- don't have time right now. All I'm doing is transferring from nasty cardboard boxes into plastic tubs.

I did find a letter from Lt Joyce dated January 1979, in which he says (of the person I suspect), "I am still of the opinion that he could have been involved," and "As you can see, I have not abandoned hope of solving this case."
 
  • #423
Well, bless Lt. Joyce for not giving up, all those years later!

It's very late here,. Don (so much so that's actually early..) but when I've slept a bit, I'll hunt up the reports of the apparently rejected man. He's usually mentioned in conjunction with an ex-boyfriend from Peru, who is said to have sent somebody a letter from Peru around the time of the murder. All that's said about the rejected guy is that he was interested in dating Jane and she said no. Very vague stuff. But yes, will find links.

Of course, you're entirely forgiven for the memory thing, 40+ years is a very long time.. and also, a traumatic event tends to mess with recall as well.
 
  • #424
Just answered my own question concerning other school "incidents ' and found this..
Seems there had been students getting mugged and accosted.
Wonder exactly what was meant by " accosted " and if that pertained to both men and women?

http://tech.mit.edu/V88/PDF/V88-N56.pdf

"In recent months,a number of other Harvard students and faculty have been mugged or in the area between
-Radcliffe dormitories and the Cam-bridge Commons"
 
  • #425
Just answered my own question concerning other school "incidents ' and found this..
Seems there had been students getting mugged and accosted.
Wonder exactly what was meant by " accosted " and if that pertained to both men and women?

http://tech.mit.edu/V88/PDF/V88-N56.pdf

"In recent months,a number of other Harvard students and faculty have been mugged or in the area between Radcliffe dormitories and the Cambridge Commons"

That was certainly not a tough area.

Hard to know what that meant, but it could easily have been unisex. A lot of kids (guys, overwhelmingly) came into Harvard Square on the weekends, especially nights, to hang out. Some of them were (or looked) tough. They were pretty annoying. Jane called them "ankle-biters."

It's worth remembering that this was also during the time of Vietnam protesting, and the tough guys were pro-war and patriotic as they saw it. So it wasn't rare for any of us to hear remarks about "peaceniks" and "fairies" and "commies" and "f*ing hippies" and all the rest.

I suppose some of them could have drifted up towards Cambridge Commons and caused trouble there. The tougher parts of Cambridge were down by Central Square and up by Porter Square.

The town-gown thing was very much in evidence then, but I've never thought it had anything to do with Jane's death. People who disliked Harvard had a variety of reasons. Some, I thought, were well-founded (the buying-up-property business) and others came from hatred of (any) elite institution, were political, and so on.
 
  • #426
There was plenty of prep for comps, although I think maybe you're using the term narrowly. And maybe all you're referring to is "from the faculty," in which case that's correct, although (see below) because written comps were a new thing, I don't doubt that students would have asked professors how it was all going to work -- that sort of thing.

The one-sentence description of why the students were nervous and uncertain was that it was the first time that (a) the exam was on the same date for everybody and (b) it was written. Both were completely new to faculty and students.

At Harvard, before written comps arrived, you had 2 years of classwork, and then were expected to take as long as you needed to prepare for your first set of orals, which you then scheduled when you thought you were ready. There was no defined time of year for orals, but it was common for students to schedule them in the spring of the year following the year they completed their course work.

We had two sets -- the "generals," during which 5 professors grilled you for a couple of hours about anything to do with anthropology as a field -- and then the "specials," which were narrowly about your intended (or sometimes completed) fieldwork. Some time usually elapsed between generals and specials. I think the Department would have been displeased by a student who took much longer than an academic year (after having done the coursework) to prep, but there was no regulation about it that I can remember.

The 1969 comps were the first written ones and the first ones taken by all the appropriate grad students at the same time. But the ethos and collective student experience in the department was with orals. People always talked about their orals, in general, so you always knew the kind of thing you'd be facing in that room. So the older students could be helpful to the younger ones.

When we were getting ready for generals, we didn't so much study together as we practiced together. We would sometimes meet and students would play the roles of questioners. This was important and useful because in orals, obviously, you're sitting there and must immediately answer the question.

But no one really knew what the written comps would be like. I think (but can't remember for sure) that they were told something about the way the exam would be organized -- in other words, the sections they might expect, how long they'd be given to write their answers, if there would be any choice of questions, and so on. I didn't pay attention, because I'd already completed my generals and was headed for the field.

For the first written comps, as I've said, there was a lot of uncertainty. In all the following years, there wouldn't have been so much. I don't remember being told about study groups, but I wouldn't be surprised if there had been some.

I believe that the professors (and probably the instructors/lecturers) submitted questions to some central committee, which put together the actual exam. More details than that, I don't have.
Mine was essentially the same, however, we had no study groups. Our questions were given by different professors whose courses we had taken, along with the one major course all of us had to take. I simply don't get the concept of a 'prep.' Biting your nails, yes, not sleeping, yes. But going over responses, no.

Those of us who were thesis option agonized over our defense. The non-thesis options, who would never have been able to go on to a PhD program, just had oral & written comps. As I've said numerous times, you either knew your subject matter or.....

I shall go back to lurking. Didn't know you were still around, Professor Mitchell. How fortuitous that after all this time you found this thread, & how fortunate for the posters that so many things were cleared up.

Glad the stalwart kitty was alive & well cared for. The horror it saw, por Dios.

Two last questions, if you would not mind: would you happen to know who was Jane's major professor for her senior honors thesis, & would he be the same one for Professor David Nicholls? And was Ms Britton changing her interest from the Périgordian to Mesopotamia? Actually, that's 3 questions. Mil gracias.
 
  • #427
Recently read through this thread - for some reason finding the following statement by KL-K (second page) to stand out for me (unable to copy from the image).

LF leaves the police station in the company of K-LK and K-LK gives a statement to a reporter.
"I know Jane and James well ... they were both students of mine .... I saw her just three days ago".

That would have been Saturday. JB had just returned from a visit home for the holiday, LF is not yet back. JB and LF go out Monday night after LF's return.
Prepping for the exam on Saturday? Last minute questions?

Maybe that was the way things were done in the 60's between a prof and a student?

This statement jumped out to me. Not a smoking gun type of statement, but it struck me as odd that he, without apparent solicitation, was saying, hey, I didn't do it. I haven't seen her for three days. Just struck me as odd that he threw that in there to sort of proclaim his innocence when his innocence (to my knowledge) had not be questioned.
 
  • #428
This statement jumped out to me. Not a smoking gun type of statement, but it struck me as odd that he, without apparent solicitation, was saying, hey, I didn't do it. I haven't seen her for three days. Just struck me as odd that he threw that in there to sort of proclaim his innocence when his innocence (to my knowledge) had not be questioned.
Did it ever come to light exactly who was polygraphed?
 
  • #429
Two last questions, if you would not mind: would you happen to know who was Jane's major professor for her senior honors thesis, & would he be the same one for Professor David Nicholls? And was Ms Britton changing her interest from the Périgordian to Mesopotamia? Actually, that's 3 questions. Mil gracias.

I don't know, but that's something that's on record somewhere. It's possible that it was Hallam J. Movius; I think he was the main Perigordian guy.

I don't know who David Nicholls is (or if I did, I've forgotten).

At least the last one I'm pretty sure I know, yes, she was going to be a Mesopotamian scholar. There was plenty of thesis material at Tepe Yahya.
 
  • #430
Did it ever come to light exactly who was polygraphed?

I only know about Jim Humphries, my wife, and me. There were at least two sessions for all of us. One set was done by local people (I think most likely State people) and the others were by some big-time guy brought in from (I think) Chicago.

I remember that one of the early questions from the Chicago guy was "Do you believe in god?" to which I answered, "No." After it was over I asked him about that and he said that this was his way of generating an ambiguous response that he could use for his ambiguous baseline. He believed that people who answer No are likely to be uncertain. I suppose that had I said Yes he would have had something else to try.
 
  • #431
This statement jumped out to me. Not a smoking gun type of statement, but it struck me as odd that he, without apparent solicitation, was saying, hey, I didn't do it. I haven't seen her for three days. Just struck me as odd that he threw that in there to sort of proclaim his innocence when his innocence (to my knowledge) had not be questioned.

That's also the kind of thing people say when someone has died unexpectedly. A relative of mine died unexpectedly and it seemed like the first thing everybody said was, "I can't believe he's dead. I just saw him yesterday." Or two days ago, or last Saturday, or whatever it was. Some of them said it more than once. It was like they were trying to deny the reality.
 
  • #432
My apologies, it was Nicholas David, a PhD candidate, dissertation : "The Périgordian Vc: an Upper Paleolithic Culture in Western Europe" 1966.

Ms Britton's senior honors thesis was: "The Périgordian Vc: A Test Case in Comparative Methodology" 1967 . Unless I have completely missed my mark, they would have had the same major professor. Hallam J. Movius for both, no doubt. What a bright light she must have been, to go from the Franco-Cantabrian refuge area to Mesopotamia for her dissertation material. Had she only done the one dig in the summer of 1968?
 
  • #433
My apologies, it was Nicholas David, a PhD candidate, dissertation : "The Périgordian Vc: an Upper Paleolithic Culture in Western Europe" 1966.

Ms Britton's senior honors thesis was: "The Périgordian Vc: A Test Case in Comparative Methodology" 1967 . Unless I have completely missed my mark, they would have had the same major professor. Hallam J. Movius, I would assume, for both. Is this correct?

What a bright light she must have been, to go from the Franco-Cantabrian refuge area to Mesopotamia for her dissertation material. Had she only done the one dig in the summer of 1968?
 
  • #434
Ay, qué cosa, double post. Perdoname.
 
  • #435
My apologies, it was Nicholas David, a PhD candidate, dissertation : "The Périgordian Vc: an Upper Paleolithic Culture in Western Europe" 1966.

Ms Britton's senior honors thesis was: "The Périgordian Vc: A Test Case in Comparative Methodology" 1967 . Unless I have completely missed my mark, they would have had the same major professor. Hallam J. Movius, I would assume, for both. Is this correct?

What a bright light she must have been, to go from the Franco-Cantabrian refuge area to Mesopotamia for her dissertation material. Had she only done the one dig in the summer of 1968?

The name still doesn't ring any bells. In '66 I would have been a 2nd year student, not in archaeology, and it's possible, maybe likely, that a guy whose degree was granted in 66 wasn't around at that time. I was gone when my degree was officially granted; that was common.

I don't think (I'm saying that lot) I have a catalog or anything resembling a departmental roster for that time period. Certainly Hal Movius was the big gun, but there may have been other professors involved in the French work.

I'm also not sure about "only one dig," but that could be.

The thing about going from one place to another had more to do with where there were opportunities. The Old World archaeologists pretty much had to hook onto something that was already organized. The North American folks had a shot at setting up their own digs, but the OW students did not. And people did change geographical areas and also areas within anthropology, although it wasn't common.

I entered the Biological Anthropology program and went through my generals in bio and also did enough research on the side (growth at adolescence) to do a thesis, but it looked to be a really boring thesis. All along I was drawn to the emerging field of ecological anthropology (which didn't have a name then) and so in my 4th year, I switched to cultural, and that's what my degree was in.

And then in the end I spent my career teaching archaeology and physical anthropology, because that was the job opening available when I needed a job, and I took it. I only rarely got to teach what my research had been, but that was OK because I really liked teaching intro. Most people hated it; I loved it.
 
  • #436
Here we are, report on the Peruvian ex and the rejected guy, there's others but they all say the same sort of things:

At least two were to be requestioned, he said. In addition to the ex-boyfriend, who reportedly dated Miss Britton about a year ago, police were searching for a man believed to have been turned down by the dead girl when he asked for a date. The murder weapon still was missing, Galligan reported. The Peruvian was reported "to have turned hippie in recent months," Galligan said and was believed still living in the Cambridge area. He was seen last month, the detective said.

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/25767736/
 
  • #437
Here we are, report on the Peruvian ex and the rejected guy, there's others but they all say the same sort of things:

At least two were to be requestioned, he said. In addition to the ex-boyfriend, who reportedly dated Miss Britton about a year ago, police were searching for a man believed to have been turned down by the dead girl when he asked for a date. The murder weapon still was missing, Galligan reported. The Peruvian was reported "to have turned hippie in recent months," Galligan said and was believed still living in the Cambridge area. He was seen last month, the detective said.

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/25767736/

The boyfriend is the guy whose name I can't remember. He did get all weird (or so the other students said) and I do think he came under scrutiny, for obvious reasons (ex BF). It was established that he couldn't have been in Cambridge the night of the murder, so that was that.

The "asked for a date" guy -- I don't know. I don't think that would have been my suspect.

This afternoon I did find my file folder of clippings and will look through them. I don't know that I've said that the reason papers are surfacing is because I made the final move from Buffalo (area) to Hawai'i only last year. All the times I moved when I lived in Buffalo, I had plenty of space and therefore no reason to spend time going through papers and cutting down. I did a cut-down before I moved out here but I've been very slow to go through boxes and throw away and repack. That's what I've been doing for the last couple of weeks. I dealt with the last box today so there's not going to be any new material.

I'd like to look at the clippings because one of the reporters -- I think he was a stringer for a NY paper (not the Times) managed to get into our confidence, which he then violated, revealing stuff in his paper that was either not to have been revealed, or was false. When he published a story (I think there was more than one) and we saw how we'd been tricked, we wouldn't talk to him any more.

Anyway. This is going to be it for today, and maybe for tomorrow as well.
 
  • #438
I've been away from the thread for a little while and am so excited by the last few pages of posts! Finally, some new information! Thank you so much Don for joining us!

I will spend some time going back to read before my comments but I did just want to clarify that I JH did return to Toronto. He married there. I'm not sure if he's still alive but if I remember correctly, I had found documented record of him up to 2011. I'll go back and check…I posted this a while back but I will have to refresh my memory.
 
  • #439
Hey PP! Great to see you back here!
 
  • #440

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