MA MA - Molly Bish, 16, Warren, 27 Jun 2000

  • #601
In keeping with searching for the white car, I learned that Massachusetts has the 2nd toughest driver's ed testing in the country. I thought Molly Bish was in or had just completed her driver's ed course at the time of her abduction.

The only thing I think we can conclude in this case is that whoever took Molly Bish had to know she was lifeguarding at Commin's Pond. It could literally be anyone who knew that Molly Bish was the lifeguard at Commin's Pond. And unfortunately that leaves a lot of possibilities.
 
  • #602
Molly Bish's case is difficult to solve.

If you look at it from the available evidence that we know about, it is hard to criticize the investigation. The investigation had a great eyewitness in her mother. A detailed sketch was able to be produced of a man who was driving a white car. It was always important to try and find the man in the white car even if he had nothing to do with the crime so that he could be eliminated from the investigation.

The only criticism I can think of is based on not knowing what has been done in the investigation regarding known suspects. Was everyone's alibi for between 10 - 10:20 am on June 27, 2000, verified?

I wanted all my comment posts on this case to show why it is important to be thorough. Because this case, even though a murder investigation, is not much different from a Holly Piirainen, Tabitha Tuders, or Brandi Wells. There is not much to go on in those investigations either.

The way I would look at this case if I were an investigator is that if it was some unknown in a white car who managed to get away with the crime because they were never found in the investigation, then so be it. There is not much you can do. But if I missed some little thing and the murderer was always right there the entire time, I would be disappointed. Because the reality is that sometimes cases are not solved, but do not let it be because of something you did not do.
 
  • #603
Photos I took last summer of the pond ...very dense woods...
 

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Photos I took last summer of the pond ...very dense woods...
 

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I wonder if Bish was taken to Bel Air Drive in Ware? I believe from looking at Zillow that in 2000 the houses had not been built yet on that road, but historic aerial photography (e.g., from Google Earth) suggests the road had already been built. It dead ends west of West Warren Road, roughly opposite where her remains were found the other side of W. Warren/W. Ware Road (according to my best guess looking at online descriptions of the area--but don't get misled by Google Maps, I don't think the Nenameseck Hunting Club is anywhere as near to Bel Air Drive as Google Maps suggests). "Bel Air" could be some sort of spooky intentional reference. Ronald Reagan, who had saved many lives in Illinois as a lifeguard, Molly's profession, was living at Bel Air, Los Angeles, California, at the time of her abduction, and John Wilkes Booth was from Bel Air, Maryland. And there's the mine disaster in Neffs, Ohio, near Bellaire, Ohio, that killed 72 in 1940. Martin Luther King gave a speech in Anaheim in 1968 on the anniversary of this disaster, a couple days before James Earl Ray left the Saint Francis Hotel in LA to head east a few weeks before MLK was shot, and some people wonder whether Ray had thought about trying to assassinate King on that date (March 16, 1968).
 
  • #607
As for Bel Air Road being a spooky possibly intentional reference, I've noticed a couple more spooky possible references to "Bel Air" tied in with assassination. I forgot to mention that Ruth Paine's car, in which Lee Harvey Oswald was known to have driven, and which frequently transported the rifle believed to have killed JFK, was a 1955 Chevrolet Bel Air station wagon. So this morning I resolved to look up what sort of make was the car Buell Wesley Frazier used to take Oswald and (probably) his rifle (dressed up as curtain rods) to the Texas School Book Depository on the day JFK was assassinated. Turns out, yep, a black 1954 Chevrolet Bel Air.
 
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Article I wrote for a Medium publication. Contains photos of the trail, the lifeguard chair, the cemetery, quotes from witnesses in old news articles and the times it took to get from the beach to the cemetery (88 seconds, in snow boots). Have Police Been Searching for the Wrong Man: Rethinking the Molly Bish Murder | by Lori Lamothe | Chameleon | Feb, 2021 | Medium

It is a good article with a lot of information regarding timelines and locations. I did not know a lot about the timing. I also did not know anyone had heard screams that morning either.

It is just too bad that police were never able to find the man in the white car, even if he was not her killer. Then they could at least say that the man in the white car was or was not involved in Molly Bish's disappearance. The sad thing is that even today if the same crime happened in the same way the man in the white car would still be the most viable suspect. I can understand why that was such an important lead even if it did not go anywhere.

As for who abducted and murdered Molly Bish, I don't know.
 
  • #611
Article I wrote for a Medium publication. Contains photos of the trail, the lifeguard chair, the cemetery, quotes from witnesses in old news articles and the times it took to get from the beach to the cemetery (88 seconds, in snow boots). Have Police Been Searching for the Wrong Man: Rethinking the Molly Bish Murder | by Lori Lamothe | Chameleon | Feb, 2021 | Medium
It is a great article. I do hope this murder will be solved one day soon. I cannot imagine the anguish and guilt her poor mother goes through...
 
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It is a great article. I do hope this murder will be solved one day soon. I cannot imagine the anguish and guilt her poor mother goes through...
Thank you! I hope so too.
 
  • #614
It is a good article with a lot of information regarding timelines and locations. I did not know a lot about the timing. I also did not know anyone had heard screams that morning either.

It is just too bad that police were never able to find the man in the white car, even if he was not her killer. Then they could at least say that the man in the white car was or was not involved in Molly Bish's disappearance. The sad thing is that even today if the same crime happened in the same way the man in the white car would still be the most viable suspect. I can understand why that was such an important lead even if it did not go anywhere.

As for who abducted and murdered Molly Bish, I don't know.

Totally agree. I hope they will learn his identity - the unresolved case unit is entering thousands of pieces of info into a new database for the case. Maybe something will lead to an arrest.
 
  • #615
It is a good article with a lot of information regarding timelines and locations. I did not know a lot about the timing. I also did not know anyone had heard screams that morning either.

It is just too bad that police were never able to find the man in the white car, even if he was not her killer. Then they could at least say that the man in the white car was or was not involved in Molly Bish's disappearance. The sad thing is that even today if the same crime happened in the same way the man in the white car would still be the most viable suspect. I can understand why that was such an important lead even if it did not go anywhere.

As for who abducted and murdered Molly Bish, I don't know.

In your article, you wrote when describing the position from which the abductor could surveil Molly, "Even more importantly, if he saw or heard a car in the parking lot, he could cancel his plan and wait for another opportunity." So this must mean that you can see the Commin's Pond parking lot from this position.

The irony of the article is that with the short times between the various areas on or around Commins Pond, it has made me realize that it could very well have been someone in a white car. Basically anyone who had ever gone to Commins Pond and explored more than a minute from the beach would be knowledgeable about the various locations, the linkage between the beach and the cemetery being the most important. For some reason I visualized it taking longer to walk between the various spots. Your article made me think the path is rather desolate, but also rather short. It does not require a lot of planning.

How each of us views information is so important. While I think the information is good I did not come to the same conclusion. With so many cases, not just this one, when I learn new information that I did not previously know, it makes me re-evaluate what I thought. I thought Molly Bish's abductor was either the sand truck driver or work supervisor. But someone who works at the cemetery or a man who fished out at Commins Pond could have done it too.

Here is a fact that I feel foolish about after reading your article. In my mind, I always visualized Molly Bish sitting in her lawn chair on the beach waiting to begin the day when someone approaches. I thought not having the whistle on her was strange too until I read your article. But I was forgetting an important fact. She may not have even sat in that lawn chair yet. Why? Because she was still clothed when she was abducted. Her lifeguard suit was underneath that clothing. And you probably would want to remove your top before you put a whistle around your neck.

It is such a small little fact, but imagine if police went out there on that day and knew at the time that she was clothed. Or if they had talked to Mrs. Bish and looked inside her backpack and realized her clothes were not there. Searching for her in the pond would have seemed strange unless you think she went swimming with her regular clothes on over her swimsuit. I keep thinking that maybe even the police were thinking like me that day?!

You read about a story of a missing lifeguard out at a beach and you think of a girl wearing a lifeguard uniform. At least that is how I looked at it. Having the right information matters when it comes to making decisions.
 
  • #616
Totally agree. I hope they will learn his identity - the unresolved case unit is entering thousands of pieces of info into a new database for the case. Maybe something will lead to an arrest.


There is always the possibility too that maybe Molly Bish was a lifeguard teacher that day and did not worry about a rescue if she was teaching kids that were very small like 4 or 5 years old how to swim. This could explain her still having her outer clothes on when abducted. Or maybe she got sunburn and wanted more protection from the sun.

The only people that would probably know how she lifeguards are her family or other people she worked with. But the lack of her outer clothes makes me think she was still walking around getting ready to lifeguard that day and whoever it was that abducted approached immediately. And she was interrupted by this person while she set up her stuff out on the beach.
 
  • #617
Article I wrote for a Medium publication. Contains photos of the trail, the lifeguard chair, the cemetery, quotes from witnesses in old news articles and the times it took to get from the beach to the cemetery (88 seconds, in snow boots). Have Police Been Searching for the Wrong Man: Rethinking the Molly Bish Murder | by Lori Lamothe | Chameleon | Feb, 2021 | Medium

I wanted to point out that I think part of your article is wrong about an important piece of information. It concerns the police radio Molly Bish had with her.

According to other media like Unsolved Mysteries and Disappeared, Molly Bish had only picked up the police radio for the first time the day of her abduction. Unsolved Mysteries had the police chief on their segment and he said the police radio was already outside her bookbag, not in it, when they came upon the scene. The police radio was found outside the bookbag next to her other stuff that she set up that day.

This also makes sense if you think about the bookbag. At home, she probably would have put her towel in first. Then when she goes to the police station that day the police radio would be on top of the towel in the bookbag. But obviously according to the witness who first arrived that day the towel was draped over the lawn chair set up on the beach. The 48 Hours Mystery segment has a crime scene picture, but I do not think that is the actual crime scene picture. I think they all use re-creations so you cannot trust those pictures.

The point is that if it was a standard bookbag and she did not put the police radio in another section of the bookbag, the only way to remove the towel would be to first remove the police radio. But maybe she did that and then put the police radio back into the bookbag. I am only pointing out what other media had to say about it. Or maybe Molly Bush carries her towel around her neck when she walks to her spot on the beach and the towel was never in the bookbag to begin with. I don't know. I can only guess anymore about what information is correct and what information is not.
 
  • #618
I wanted to point out that I think part of your article is wrong about an important piece of information. It concerns the police radio Molly Bish had with her.

According to other media like Unsolved Mysteries and Disappeared, Molly Bish had only picked up the police radio for the first time the day of her abduction. Unsolved Mysteries had the police chief on their segment and he said the police radio was already outside her bookbag, not in it, when they came upon the scene. The police radio was found outside the bookbag next to her other stuff that she set up that day.

This also makes sense if you think about the bookbag. At home, she probably would have put her towel in first. Then when she goes to the police station that day the police radio would be on top of the towel in the bookbag. But obviously according to the witness who first arrived that day the towel was draped over the lawn chair set up on the beach. The 48 Hours Mystery segment has a crime scene picture, but I do not think that is the actual crime scene picture. I think they all use re-creations so you cannot trust those pictures.

The point is that if it was a standard bookbag and she did not put the police radio in another section of the bookbag, the only way to remove the towel would be to first remove the police radio. But maybe she did that and then put the police radio back into the bookbag. I am only pointing out what other media had to say about it. Or maybe Molly Bush carries her towel around her neck when she walks to her spot on the beach and the towel was never in the bookbag to begin with. I don't know. I can only guess anymore about what information is correct and what information is not.

Thanks for the close read. Ed Fetts, parks commissioner, took it out of her bag to call police. I read several articles that said she had called every day. It was her eighth day on the job - she had to have the radio on day 1 for emergencies at the pond because cell phones weren't available then.
 
  • #619
There is always the possibility too that maybe Molly Bish was a lifeguard teacher that day and did not worry about a rescue if she was teaching kids that were very small like 4 or 5 years old how to swim. This could explain her still having her outer clothes on when abducted. Or maybe she got sunburn and wanted more protection from the sun.

The only people that would probably know how she lifeguards are her family or other people she worked with. But the lack of her outer clothes makes me think she was still walking around getting ready to lifeguard that day and whoever it was that abducted approached immediately. And she was interrupted by this person while she set up her stuff out on the beach.
Yes, I think so too. She was taken before 10:20 a.m. She had called in every other day shortly after she arrived but not that day. I believe someone watched her set things up and grabbed her before she could go for the radio. According to profiler John Kelly, an anonymous classmate of Molly's left a comment on his Youtube channel stating they had seen a man watching Molly from the woods behind the beach the day (or days?) before she was taken. He urged the person to contact him.
 
  • #620
In your article, you wrote when describing the position from which the abductor could surveil Molly, "Even more importantly, if he saw or heard a car in the parking lot, he could cancel his plan and wait for another opportunity." So this must mean that you can see the Commin's Pond parking lot from this position.

The irony of the article is that with the short times between the various areas on or around Commins Pond, it has made me realize that it could very well have been someone in a white car. Basically anyone who had ever gone to Commins Pond and explored more than a minute from the beach would be knowledgeable about the various locations, the linkage between the beach and the cemetery being the most important. For some reason I visualized it taking longer to walk between the various spots. Your article made me think the path is rather desolate, but also rather short. It does not require a lot of planning.

How each of us views information is so important. While I think the information is good I did not come to the same conclusion. With so many cases, not just this one, when I learn new information that I did not previously know, it makes me re-evaluate what I thought. I thought Molly Bish's abductor was either the sand truck driver or work supervisor. But someone who works at the cemetery or a man who fished out at Commins Pond could have done it too.

Here is a fact that I feel foolish about after reading your article. In my mind, I always visualized Molly Bish sitting in her lawn chair on the beach waiting to begin the day when someone approaches. I thought not having the whistle on her was strange too until I read your article. But I was forgetting an important fact. She may not have even sat in that lawn chair yet. Why? Because she was still clothed when she was abducted. Her lifeguard suit was underneath that clothing. And you probably would want to remove your top before you put a whistle around your neck.

It is such a small little fact, but imagine if police went out there on that day and knew at the time that she was clothed. Or if they had talked to Mrs. Bish and looked inside her backpack and realized her clothes were not there. Searching for her in the pond would have seemed strange unless you think she went swimming with her regular clothes on over her swimsuit. I keep thinking that maybe even the police were thinking like me that day?!

You read about a story of a missing lifeguard out at a beach and you think of a girl wearing a lifeguard uniform. At least that is how I looked at it. Having the right information matters when it comes to making decisions.

Really great close read - I love your point about her clothes and the short distances. That surprised me too.

For what it's worth, I did talk last week to a former detective from another part of the country. He said it struck him as "a very planned crime."
 

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