MA MA - New Bedford, "Popes Island Jane Doe", WhtFem 30-45, UP7253, emerald ring from Belarus, Oct'96

[Alleykins]

I believe the alexandrite stone in my mother's ring is real.
It's teeny tiny, though.

 

[Bit of hope]

Hi Alleykins, did you ever follow this up?

 

[Bit of hope]

Hi Alleykins, did you ever follow this up?

Sorry, can't be Rosemarie Roginsky....American, from Servian descent....stupid of me....

 

[Alleykins]

Sorry, can't be Rosemarie Roginsky....American, from Servian descent....stupid of me....

No, I didn't follow this up because DNA was pending for Rosemarie at the time. I usually don't submit a match under those circumstances because if it's match, CODIS should pick it up. Since both cases are still listed, I'm thinking it wasn't.

 

[Bit of hope]

Was searching today again...nothing new....

 

[Bit of hope]

More then a year has gone by since I last visited this thread.....this case seems sooooo cold....but I'm sure people are looking out for her....like you and I.

An oldie...

Amateur sleuths band together to name the dead


The difficulty of solving some missing and unidentified persons resulted in investigators from the Bristol County District Attorney's Office supplying information on the "Popes Island Jane Doe" for the Doe Network.

The woman's case profile on the group's Web site includes her estimated age (30 to 45), height and weight, a sketch, a description of the clothing she wore, her eye color, hair length and dental information.
The profile mentions she had a gold ring with an emerald-colored stone, which experts believe came from Belarus, part of the old Soviet Union.
Her dental fillings and root canals were judged too poor to have been done in the United States.
Because her body was still intact and investigators have a good idea of what she looked like, Mr. Brady said the case should be solvable.
The fact that she remains unidentified 12 years later probably signifies that she did not have strong ties to SouthCoast.
"Does it involve some type of organized crime hit? That's one scenario," Mr. Brady said.
"Getting at that information will not be easy because the people who have it are not likely to communicate with law enforcement."
One hope of cracking the case would be if a Doe Network volunteer came across an old missing-persons report and a picture that matched the victim's sketch.
Doe Network volunteers also look at other similar Web sites, such as lostandfound.org, that include profiles of missing Europeans.
"We're always scanning the media, the Internet, law enforcement sites, message boards, all sources of information," Mr. Brady said.
"We also have side projects. We sponsor reconstructions for unidentified cases; 3-D computer-generated and sketch reconstructions."
Often when police find a victim's remains, an identification is made within days, and the case proceeds.
But if months and years go by without the body being identified, the case is usually put on the back burner as police investigate new homicides.
"We pick up cases that people have forgotten about," Mr. Brady said.
"You go back 25, 30 years, when we didn't have Internet or media coverage of some of these cases, there is just stuff that goes down the memory hole. It's just amazing in terms of what's out there in possible cases and things we don't know about."
Amateur sleuths band together to name the dead

 

[Bit of hope]

Missing Person Case
Missing Person Case

Ruled out by default??? There is DNA for Vicky....

 

[carbuff]

I stumbled across this woman while looking for a different case.

Svetlana Volodimirovna Shevchenko went missing from the Ukraine in June of 1996--Jane Doe found in October 1996. https://www.doenetwork.org/cases-int/1691dfukr.html

Age, height, hair color match. Eyes probably don't though they look dark in the photo. Svetlana has some scars that aren't mentioned for JD.

I'm mostly faceblind so I can't really tell whether they're close facially.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Too much adjusting going on for my tastes. I think she is most likely American and second choice would be Canadian, or she had lived in either country for a long time before her death even if she was born elsewhere.

Football scouts have a simple theme about a prospect: "Tell me what he can do, not what he can't do." Likewise for situations like this. What is there? She's got recent expensive dental work apparently from the United States. That trumps the aspect of otherwise poor dental work. Only 25% of Americans have had root canals so I'm sure it is even lower elsewhere, especially in the Eastern European countries apparently proposed for this woman. I guarantee root canal percentage is far lower than 25% for illegal immigrants living in the United States.

Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. I'll go with geography first, above all the adjustments. She was found here. She's wearing sufficient Americanized clothing, including Levi's and a brand name item that apparently was mail order. How can so emphasis be placed on a ring? A ring can be picked up on a whim at a flea market. Body hair grows in a matter of days. It hardly means that was her standard throughout.

Lots of people aren't conveniently in the system as we'd like them to be. That is going to be more apparent as these Doe cases are solved by genealogy.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I just looked it up. Root canals are significantly cheaper in Europe and especially Eastern Europe. That lends some weight to other assessments but I'll stick with my belief that location has to be the number one criteria, far above any adjustment.

BTW, don't have a root canal in Australia. Yikes. Nearly twice as expensive as anywhere else, on average: Root Canal: The Ultimate Cost Guide. Make an Inquiry! | MEDIGO Blog

 

[carbuff]

Not a real close match, but I ran across this woman:

The Doe Network: Case File 2362DFBLR

Valentina Vasilyevna Mishkevich
Missing since August 1, 1992 from Minsk, Belarus. She was 37 at the time.

1992 to 1996 is enough time for the root canal.

 

[ks-ch]

Does someone know why DNA Doe Project removed this lady from the cases on their site? It is a thrilling one so I am a bit confused as to why did they give up on it.

 

[Bit of hope]

Does someone know why DNA Doe Project removed this lady from the cases on their site? It is a thrilling one so I am a bit confused as to why did they give up on it.

I'm not sure if I understand you correct....this Jane Doe is still up on the Doe Network site. Here is the link
174UFMA

 

[Melt71]

BTW, don't have a root canal in Australia. Yikes. Nearly twice as expensive as anywhere else, on average.

Yes which is why so many Australians have their significant dental work, breast implants, gender reassignments etc done in the high quality Asian hospitals that specifically service the foreign market.

This is why LE comments like the ones earlier in this case about the fact that dental work was done overseas and therefore the person 'must' or 'is likely' to be a migrant from overseas never ring true to me. I've seen so much 'medical tourism' overseas (I've lived/worked in 7 countries) that I would never assume anything like that. I find it's particularly common for people visiting family members overseas to get this type of work done because it often requies repeated visits to the dentist/doctor so its often those that have somewhere to stay for longer than the normal tourist. So perhaps this lady was actually an American of E.European origin who had visited and had her work done overseas.

 

[ks-ch]

I did not mean the Doe Network but rather the DNA doe project DNA Doe Project
I am pretty sure she was listed there... I feel like genetic genealogy is the most viable way to help identify her so I am really upset that they removed her case from their site (and probably a great number of people who had been following the case, too). I have a glimmer of hope that the DNA Doe volunteers read this thread and consider otherwise.

 

[ks-ch]

@Bit of hope, sorry, I am new to this forum so I did not manage to quote you in a proper manner. Please, refer to my previous message #134

 

[Melt71]

I did not mean the Doe Network but rather the DNA doe project DNA Doe Project
I am pretty sure she was listed there... I feel like genetic genealogy is the most viable way to help identify her so I am really upset that they removed her case from their site (and probably a great number of people who had been following the case, too). I have a glimmer of hope that the DNA Doe volunteers read this thread and consider otherwise.

Just message them on their Facebook page, they always address these issues quite promptly. I don't recall this case being on there, but I tend to only follow the active ones).

 

[ks-ch]

Just message them on their Facebook page, they always address these issues quite promptly. I don't recall this case being on there, but I tend to only follow the active ones).

Spoiler: Facebook

I do not have a Facebook account... I deleted it 2 years ago. You know, privacy concerns.

Could, please, someone be so kind and ask on DNA Doe Facebook page about Popes Island Jane Doe?

 

[Bit of hope]

@Bit of hope, sorry, I am new to this forum so I did not manage to quote you in a proper manner. Please, refer to my previous message #134

@ks-ch No problem. Message clear. Thank you. I don't recall this Jane Doe being on the DNA Doe site either, but if you say so. I remember some kind of suggestions list (people asking for doing certain cases to de DNA Doe project, when they started) but I can't find it anymore. Maybe she was on there?

 

[Al Ka]

I did not mean the Doe Network but rather the DNA doe project DNA Doe Project
I am pretty sure she was listed there... I feel like genetic genealogy is the most viable way to help identify her so I am really upset that they removed her case from their site (and probably a great number of people who had been following the case, too). I have a glimmer of hope that the DNA Doe volunteers read this thread and consider otherwise.

I don't recall her case being one of DNA Doe Project ones, but I could be wrong. Also DNA Doe Project never removes the case one they take it on. Only Law Enforcement does. It happened only once before since they started - when first lab extraction was not successful on one Doe case, LE pulled their case. Not sure what was their reason but probably the cost. Each lab extraction or extra sequencing cost extra money.