Alt is a mixed bag. There are a lot of lurkers, many people who are into the scene to some degree or another and there are lots of lifestyle people who are also professionals within the scene.
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Alt is a mixed bag. There are a lot of lurkers, many people who are into the scene to some degree or another and there are lots of lifestyle people who are also professionals within the scene.
daisy.faithfull
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Me to. I'm wondering if he has been engaging in these types encounters for quite some time. Transexuals could be a way for "straight" men to rationalize to themselves that they are not really or not completely homosexuals.
Wasn't it you that mentioned awhile back that PM has an inferiority complex? I wonder if this is one of the root causes of it.
I'm also wondering if the sexual rage he showed to the women he victimized was rage towards himself that he was not sexually attracted to them. It could explain why so much sexual rage is involved yet he does not actually have sex with the women.
He could be keeping the underwear trophies to reassure himself that he is straight. Or he could become aroused when remembering the crimes even if that arousal isn't because he is sexually attracted to women, it might be another way he "protects" himself from his true orientation.
Since he was about to be married, is it possible that this was a factor in his sexual identity conflicts boiling over?
In some ways the homosexual stuff casts a whole new light on his relationship with AH, his long time buddie and creator of the "Phil Markoff Is Guilty Until Proven Innocent Site". I'm not saying that that assumption is true, but it will be interesting to see if there is any reaction from AH.
Its also possible that gay men who are comfortable with their sexuality could come forward about sexual encounters with PM? This latest news sure is a humdinger, to say the least. Its common for sociopaths and psychopaths to engage in sex with both both genders. Just so I don't get stoned, that trait is different from normal people who are bi-sexuals. Bi-sexual people don't just have sex with both men and women, they love them to.
Its also a good thing that his fiancee seems to be somewhat coming to terms with this, because she may want to get tested for STDs, sex addicts tend not to be responsible sex partners. Edit: just got a link for alt.com that works for me, it looks like PM says that he practices safe sex... hope he's telling the truth there.
Finally, I was wondering why he bothered to tell his family that more would be coming out without telling them what it would be. I wonder what kind of reaction we are going to see from his family now.
Great post!! You bring up SO many good points,daisy.faithfull . Lots of thoughtful insight. You really hit the target on all of them, imo.
Wow--STD's--you are so right. I'd bet he did not have safe sex.
I wonder if his fiancee is now recognizing she had a bad "gut" feeling about him and just ignored it?
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On his alt.com page it says that it has been 3 months since his last visit, don't know if that is significant.
Also, is there a difference between ts, tv and tg?
Sigmund Freud would have a field day analyzing PM!
Also, is there a difference between ts, tv and tg?
Sigmund Freud would have a field day analyzing PM! 
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On his alt.com page it says that it has been 3 months since his last visit, don't know if that is significant.
Also, is there a difference between ts, tv and tg?
It does seem there is not a lot of difference between ts and tg, but I have no real world experience. My info is from Wikipedia. The only thing I see is that tg individuals may identify themselves as asexual. Tv seems to be about the cross-dressing aspect.
Transsexualism is a condition in which an individual identifies with a physical sex different from the one with which he or she was born.
Transgender is the state of one's "gender identity" (self-identification as woman, man, or neither) not matching one's "assigned sex" (identification by others as male or female based on physical/genetic sex). "Transgender" does not imply any specific form of sexual orientation; transgender people may identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, polysexual, or asexual.
Transvestism (also called transvestitism) is the practice of cross-dressing, which is wearing the clothing of the opposite sex. Transvestite refers to a person who cross-dresses; however, the word often has additional connotations.
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ITA with you about the rage issue...there has to be an explaination, and yours seems as good as any.
YES, I think that PM has some serious issues with feeling superior. The underwear thing, I bet, has something to do with power/humiliation, like you said.
As for gay men who've had encounters, I SERIOUSLY doubt we would hear anything. Seems to be that PM was into vulnerable people...someone who is openly gay may not neccessarily look on a site like that for an "encounter"...it seems to me to be for people who are trying to be discreet...I could be totally off here, though.
I hope fiance gets checked, too. Blech.
Generally if someone is interested in tv/ts/tg they are not discriminating between the three. There may be some preference for ts/tg over a tv (as many tvs claim to be straight) but generally someone seeking that kind of encounter is not too particular.
My experience with TGs is pretty limited but they do not usually refer to themselves as asexual or non-sexual. They usual refer to themselves as the gender they are switching over to.
My experience with TGs is pretty limited but they do not usually refer to themselves as asexual or non-sexual. They usual refer to themselves as the gender they are switching over to.
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Thank you RL! I knew a woman who was transgender, but I don't think I ever discussed the specific term used to classify her gender.
From what I understand transgendered people have some very real fears about being in vulnerable situations where they are dependent on others to protect or take care of them. Like when they age and become incapacitated, there is the fear that caretakers who are prejudiced towards their gender will abuse them in some way. Same thing if they are in the hospital. At one point she was doing some heavy lifting and somehow injured her back pretty bad. She had to deal with fear about going to the hospital because there was the possibility she would be incapacitated to the point that she would dependent on others for her care.
If PM was preying on transgendered erotic workers they would be motivated even more than female erotic workers to contact LE because of the additional dangers to them if jailed.
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I don't think that you are off at all. To me that seems right on the money. I hadn't thought about the discreet thing.
I really hope that the press leaves his fiancee alone. She's facing all the horrors that we have discussed here and probably a whole bunch she hasn't thought of. I hope that someone in her family has the foresight to sit her down and let her know what some of the concerns raised are so she can protect herself if necessary.
She truly is an innocent victim. He has raped her trust in my opinion. The emotional scar from this is going to be huge.
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Thanks! My grandfather was a psychiatrist back in the days when Frued was still considered a leading authority on the mysteries of the mind, and it was the norm for people to lay on a couch. My grandfather actually had lounger type thing where you could adjust the upper and lower body incline. It was like a cross between a layz boy chair and a bed, and I loved to play with it when I was a kid. Its the best inheritance ever!
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Fiancée Still Stands By Accused 'Craigslist Killer'
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20275150,00.html
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20275150,00.html
I just don't get it! This poor girl...there is so much evidence. I guess she just can't imagine him doing something so heinous. In time she will realize what a monster he is, get angry, and move on. I find it interesting she hasn't gone to visit him since she's standing by him.
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Her father has watched his daughter's innocence broken by a monster. I admire him for keeping his anger to himself, because I think that shows it is not about his feelings but those of his daughter. Props to Mr. Mc.!
Do you all think that talking to the DA's Office shows that she will come around to facing reality? I'm really hoping so.
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BTK was able to convince his wife that the poem she found about a BTK victim was for a college class. I'd bet that there may have been indications to PM's fiancee of his true nature as well, that he was able to excuse if she asked.
BTK and PM both had "trappings" from their "secret lives". BTK's wife subconsiously "knew" not to go there. I wonder if when PM's fiancee is able to look back she will be able to relate to that.
Just putting out more evidence that PM's fiancee's behavior is natural. It never crossed their minds because who on earth thinks that there is a possibility their husband/fiancee is capable of these things?
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I believe that, at some point, she will begin to think of things that "weren't quite right". MY HOPE is that this time will come soon enough for her to possibly help the prosecution...
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, so if it is a duplicate, I apologize in advance.
Band: Craigslist slaying suspect's wedding put off
By RUSSELL CONTRERAS
Associated Press Writer
Posted: Monday, Apr. 27, 2009
BOSTON A band that had planned to play at the August wedding of the medical student accused of killing a masseuse he met on Craigslist is now looking for a new gig.
The Bstreetband, a Bruce Springsteen tribute band, had been scheduled to play at the New Jersey oceanside wedding of suspect Philip Markoff and his fiancee, Megan McAllister, on Aug 14.
But now, the band is available for another gig on that date, according to its Web site.
"Due to circumstances beyond our control, this date is now available to book," says a blurb on its performance schedule.
William Forte, the keyboardist and owner of the Bstreetband, said a relative of McAllister called him and said "that as of right now, there is no way they will be able to have the Aug. 14 wedding date."
Forte said he plans to return the couple's $500 deposit.
"Under the circumstances, I would never hold them to the contract," Forte said.
McAllister issued a statement Monday through Ocean Township, N.J., attorney Robert A. Honecker Jr., who said McAllister would not speak directly to the media. McAllister said she loved and supported her fiance and planned to cooperate with the investigation.
"It is my intent to fully cooperate with my fiance's attorney as well as the Suffolk County District Attorney's office as they both continue their investigations. I can only tell them what I know and what is the truth," she said in the statement.
McAllister, who described Markoff as a "loving and caring person," said she expected to talk to investigators within the next several days and asked that her fiance's fate not be determined by the media and public opinion.
McAllister did not make reference to the wedding, and it was unclear whether cancellation of the band means the wedding is delayed or off.
Markoff was a second-year medical student at Boston University when he was arrested last week during a traffic stop as he drove to Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. He is charged with murdering Julissa Brisman, a New York City resident, on April 14 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place hotel.
~~~~more at link~~~~
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/nation/story/690599.html
Band: Craigslist slaying suspect's wedding put off
By RUSSELL CONTRERAS
Associated Press Writer
Posted: Monday, Apr. 27, 2009
BOSTON A band that had planned to play at the August wedding of the medical student accused of killing a masseuse he met on Craigslist is now looking for a new gig.
The Bstreetband, a Bruce Springsteen tribute band, had been scheduled to play at the New Jersey oceanside wedding of suspect Philip Markoff and his fiancee, Megan McAllister, on Aug 14.
But now, the band is available for another gig on that date, according to its Web site.
"Due to circumstances beyond our control, this date is now available to book," says a blurb on its performance schedule.
William Forte, the keyboardist and owner of the Bstreetband, said a relative of McAllister called him and said "that as of right now, there is no way they will be able to have the Aug. 14 wedding date."
Forte said he plans to return the couple's $500 deposit.
"Under the circumstances, I would never hold them to the contract," Forte said.
McAllister issued a statement Monday through Ocean Township, N.J., attorney Robert A. Honecker Jr., who said McAllister would not speak directly to the media. McAllister said she loved and supported her fiance and planned to cooperate with the investigation.
"It is my intent to fully cooperate with my fiance's attorney as well as the Suffolk County District Attorney's office as they both continue their investigations. I can only tell them what I know and what is the truth," she said in the statement.
McAllister, who described Markoff as a "loving and caring person," said she expected to talk to investigators within the next several days and asked that her fiance's fate not be determined by the media and public opinion.
McAllister did not make reference to the wedding, and it was unclear whether cancellation of the band means the wedding is delayed or off.
Markoff was a second-year medical student at Boston University when he was arrested last week during a traffic stop as he drove to Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. He is charged with murdering Julissa Brisman, a New York City resident, on April 14 at the Boston Marriott Copley Place hotel.
~~~~more at link~~~~
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/nation/story/690599.html
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She definately said something that alluded to crooked Boston cops. I think it was in the GMA email...
Thanks, EmMomma. I thought so.
There's some reason she has a deep down distrust of LE. I wonder if it will prevent her from really listening to and absorbing what they have to say.
This may be a stretch, but maybe her dislike of LE made her more susceptible to a slimeball like PM.
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Ya know, I like tho believe I am a very open minded person. Apparently, not concerning this "stuff". My personal opinion is that any person who searches for such humiliation, to dominate, or be submissive in such an extreme way has some serious issues. I mean, deeply emotional issues. The kind only a professional could help them address.
I think he used the hidden part of his life to take advantage of others. He rarely would have been submissive unless he thought he deserved "punishment".
I wouldn't doubt that LE has is computer and has done forensics on it. Perhaps that will help them find potential victims of this deviant. Unless there are others willing to come out, it could be hard given what they advertise to play/do on that website. I have no doubt, that for many, it may be a hidden life they keep from their families.
Honestly, I need to take a very long, Dove induced thick lather, shower. ~shudder~
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