MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #11

[nightowl1975]

I’ve been pondering all day on the idea of what if it wasn’t either of the major theories. She didn’t hit him AND they didn’t beat him up/injure him/leave him in the cold to die.

Could he have fallen and hit his head? Never made it inside. So they’re not lying by saying he never came inside. She never hit him. Etc.

I can’t figure out how to explain the shoe at the curb (planted?) or the abrasions/lacerations/puncture wounds on his arm (dog attacked him in the front yard, he fell backwards hitting his head, nobody realized it til he had been outside in the cold too long?). Then it became a disaster with a bunch of drunk people trying to cover up the dead body in the front yard. Maybe they thought CA did it, but he didn’t. Maybe by the time they realized they were trying to cover up something that never happened, they were in too deep?

I don’t think we will ever know.

 

[HarmonyE.]

She never loved John. She loved herself and still does.

How long have you known her?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Sorry, but you are not correct. I'm not sure what your native country is, but in the US you are innocent until proven guilty by the prosecution.

That’s for the jury.
I am under no obligation to NOT have an opinion on her guilt or innocence.

 

[KMouse]

Whatever happened to Karen's friend Nancy who was the go-between herself and TB?

 

[TTF14]

She never loved John. She loved herself and still does.

It's entirely possible for a woman to love herself AND love other people.

 

[TTF14]

I’ve been pondering all day on the idea of what if it wasn’t either of the major theories. She didn’t hit him AND they didn’t beat him up/injure him/leave him in the cold to die.

Could he have fallen and hit his head? Never made it inside. So they’re not lying by saying he never came inside. She never hit him. Etc.

I can’t figure out how to explain the shoe at the curb (planted?) or the abrasions/lacerations/puncture wounds on his arm (dog attacked him in the front yard, he fell backwards hitting his head, nobody realized it til he had been outside in the cold too long?). Then it became a disaster with a bunch of drunk people trying to cover up the dead body in the front yard. Maybe they thought CA did it, but he didn’t. Maybe by the time they realized they were trying to cover up something that never happened, they were in too deep?

I don’t think we will ever know.

So what you're saying is reasonable doubt.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I’ve been pondering all day on the idea of what if it wasn’t either of the major theories. She didn’t hit him AND they didn’t beat him up/injure him/leave him in the cold to die.

Could he have fallen and hit his head? Never made it inside. So they’re not lying by saying he never came inside. She never hit him. Etc.

I can’t figure out how to explain the shoe at the curb (planted?) or the abrasions/lacerations/puncture wounds on his arm (dog attacked him in the front yard, he fell backwards hitting his head, nobody realized it til he had been outside in the cold too long?). Then it became a disaster with a bunch of drunk people trying to cover up the dead body in the front yard. Maybe they thought CA did it, but he didn’t. Maybe by the time they realized they were trying to cover up something that never happened, they were in too deep?

I don’t think we will ever know.

Open mind, considering all the possibilies. Rare around here!

 

[fluffypaste]

That’s for the jury.
I am under no obligation to NOT have an opinion on her guilt or innocence.

The poster who that poster was replying to was essentially implying that nobody is allowed to have any opinion that tracks towards innocence.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh?

What do you base this on? I didn't know her.

Her ever changing stories….why she didn’t want to go in the house with John.

Stomach issues
We had a fight that morning
We weren’t invited
She left him at the Waterfall after a fight
She doesn’t remember

Her voice mails

Testimony of the woman she accused of making out with him in Aruba

 

[KMouse]

Her ever changing stories….why she didn’t want to go in the house with John.

Stomach issues
We had a fight that morning
We weren’t invited
She left him at the Waterfall after a fight
She doesn’t remember

Her voice mails

Testimony of the woman she accused of making out with him in Aruba

When did she call her parents?

 

[fluffypaste]

It's entirely possible for a woman to love herself AND love other people.

No. If you don't hate yourself, you're incapable of loving other people. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

 

[TTF14]

Her ever changing stories….why she didn’t want to go in the house with John.

Stomach issues
We had a fight that morning
We weren’t invited
She left him at the Waterfall after a fight
She doesn’t remember

Her voice mails

Testimony of the woman she accused of making out with him in Aruba

None of that is convincing to me. I'm an introvert. I could think of 20 more excuses than that to not go into a house party where I didn't know anybody. You think it's weird? I guess you're not an introvert.

IMO MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's entirely possible for a woman to love herself AND love other people.

I’d love to talk to a few of Karen’s exes.

 

[TTF14]

No. If you don't hate yourself, you're incapable of loving other people. Sorry, I don't make the rules.

I haven't the slightest idea what this means.

 

[geevee]

It REASONABLY fits -

The witnesses in this case did an AMAZING job.
Most people don’t pay that close attention & aren't good with times. Most just aren’t that observant & accurate.

But JMcC says she "saw" the SUV outside 12:30 -12:45, which was why she was calling/texting JOK, when KR was in fact at 1 Meadows making a call to JOK (her boots heard on the garage floor and the garage door closing) and no one seems to know where JOK was. How does that square?

 

[TTF14]

I’d love to talk to a few of Karen’s exes.

For what purpose?

 

[KMouse]

I’d love to talk to a few of Karen’s exes.

Does she even have any friends of her own?

 

[TTF14]

It's a sarcastic joke, that's what it means.

I still don't get it. But I am also not going to keep trying. Thank you for your response.

 

[Linda7NJ]

None of that is convincing to me. I'm an introvert. I could think of 20 more excuses than that to not go into a house party where I didn't know anybody. You think it's weird? I guess you're not an introvert.

IMO MOO

Karen is not an introvert -
She dogged him ALL day about going out drinking

There should be only ONE REASON after her the death of John O’Keefe - the REAL REASON - the truth.

 

[Recidivist]

For what purpose?

To hook up?