MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

[pirategirl79]

Wednesday.

'Sparks fly between #KarenRead's attorney, #AlanJackson, and Judge Beverly Cannone as the defense fights to have the case against Read tossed out. Karen Read's defense team has filed a motion to dismiss based on what they say is "extraordinary governmental misconduct" on the part of the prosecution. '

I'm just getting caught up with this case ... watching A Body in the Snow series ... am I the only one that has thought ... if Karen Read is not guilty ... could someone else have been driving drunk and hit him before he went inside ... it's such a strange case, for every one thing I think makes sense ... I have three more questions ... so sad ...

 

[Wishbone]

I'm just getting caught up with this case ... watching A Body in the Snow series ... am I the only one that has thought ... if Karen Read is not guilty ... could someone else have been driving drunk and hit him before he went inside ... it's such a strange case, for every one thing I think makes sense ... I have three more questions ... so sad ...

He was not hit by a car

 

[Wishbone]

Why did the cw have to go outside their own prosecutors to hire this guy to litigate this trial?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Only b

There is zero proof JO was ever in the house.

Only because the lead investigator failed in his duty to investigate the Albert house!

 

[Derph]

There is zero proof JO was ever in the house.

Took this from another website:

“O’Keefe’s arrival at the Albert Residence at 12:20 a.m., between 12:21 a.m. and 12:24 a.m., Apple Health recorded O’Keefe taking 80 steps (i.e., traveling approximately 200 feet or 60 meters) and climbing the equivalent of three floors with his location data pinging at or near the Albert residence,” the motion continued. “The only reasonable interpretation of O’Keefe’s Apple Health Data, which shows an elevation gain of three floors at or near the Albert Residence, is that he made it inside the Albert’s three-floor residence.”

Higgins also testified that he saw a tall, dark haired man in the Albert house that no one in the house acknowledged.

Again, I strongly suggest you watch the 1st trial. Relying on a biased and heavily edited TV documentary is not going to give you the same information that came out in court.

 

[Sustained]

Only b

Only because the lead investigator failed in his duty to investigate the Albert house!

Multiple things can be true at the same time :

• KR hit JO with her Lexus and killed him
• the investigation by LE was shoddy
• Trooper Proctor is a vile and corrupt cop

 

[Wishbone]

Multiple things can be true at the same time :

• KR hit JO with her Lexus and killed him
• the investigation by LE was shoddy
• Trooper Proctor is a vile and corrupt cop

according to the testimony of the independently hired arcca experts he was not hit by a car.

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[Sustained]

Took this from another website:

“O’Keefe’s arrival at the Albert Residence at 12:20 a.m., between 12:21 a.m. and 12:24 a.m., Apple Health recorded O’Keefe taking 80 steps (i.e., traveling approximately 200 feet or 60 meters) and climbing the equivalent of three floors with his location data pinging at or near the Albert residence,” the motion continued. “The only reasonable interpretation of O’Keefe’s Apple Health Data, which shows an elevation gain of three floors at or near the Albert Residence, is that he made it inside the Albert’s three-floor residence.”

Higgins also testified that he saw a tall, dark haired man in the Albert house that no one in the house acknowledged.

Again, I strongly suggest you watch the 1st trial. Relying on a biased and heavily edited TV documentary is not going to give you the same information that came out in court.

Was the Apple Health data introduced at trial ? Seems like had it been, it would have been an easy acquittal for KR.

A tall dark haired man that no one acknowledged ? So what - they all knew JO.

I will go back and watch the entire trial when I have time. But obviously a few jurors who served at the trial thought KR was guilty during deliberations. Did they miss something ?

 

[Wishbone]

lunch break....if they don't finish with motions today they will resume tomorrow.

 

[Sustained]

according to the testimony of the independently hired arcca experts he was not hit by a car.

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Who paid for the ARCCA experts ?

 

[Wishbone]

Was the Apple Health data introduced at trial ? Seems like had it been, it would have been an easy acquittal for KR.

A tall dark haired man that no one acknowledged ? So what - they all knew JO.

I will go back and watch the entire trial when I have time. But obviously a few jurors who served at the trial thought KR was guilty during deliberations. Did they miss something ?

Your concerns have been discussed in previous threads as well as some mention was made during the trial. IIRC the mention of the tall dark haired man was part of the grand jury testimony.

 

[Derph]

Was the Apple Health data introduced at trial ? Seems like had it been, it would have been an easy acquittal for KR.

A tall dark haired man that no one acknowledged ? So what - they all knew JO.

I will go back and watch the entire trial when I have time. But obviously a few jurors who served at the trial thought KR was guilty during deliberations. Did they miss something ?

Yes it was. The CW dismissed it as the car made elevation changes while driving over to 34 Fairview. Problem is, there are no elevation changes that extreme on the ride over.

 

[rescuemom]

There is zero proof JO was ever in the house.

I disagree. Call me crazy, but IIRC, an expert in first trial testified to steps taken by JO on a fitbit or apple watch that indicated going up or down steps at about the time JO was dropped off. Of couse we don't have a video of that and if we did it would disappear but what else could it be????? Both JO and dog were in the house.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Who paid for the ARCCA experts ?

The FBI hired Arcca as an expert. The defense wanted the jury to hear their testimony that they provided the FBI. That JOKs injuries were not from a vehicle strike.

 

[Sustained]

I disagree. Call me crazy, but IIRC, an expert in first trial testified to steps taken by JO on a fitbit or apple watch that indicated going up or down steps at about the time JO was dropped off. Of couse we don't have a video of that and if we did it would disappear but what else could it be????? Both JO and dog were in the house.

Not an exact science unfortunately. I don't doubt the dog was in the house.

Don't remember exactly how many people were in the house at ~1am but not one of them saw JO ? Or Albert/Higgins convinced them all to lie ? Julie Nagel testified she a black "blob" on the lawn when she left at ~1:45am. Was she lying ?

If JO were in the house and was bludgeoned, someone moved him to the front yard by the flagpole. If that were the case, were they not afraid of being seen moving the body ? At that time, who in the house knew KR had a damaged tailight and might be charged with hitting him ?

Sorry, I'm struggling to believe the whole conspiracy theory.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Multiple things can be true at the same time :

• KR hit JO with her Lexus and killed him
• the investigation by LE was shoddy
• Trooper Proctor is a vile and corrupt cop

I agree on 2and 3. See comments about Arrca on 1.

 

[Sustained]

I agree on 2and 3. See comments about Arrca on 1.

Thanks - accident reconstruction is not an exact science, but I suspect the CW will add a better expert than who was presented at the 1st trial. Since the contention at that trial was the dog did not attack JO and leave marks on his arm (no canine DNA), is it not possible something on the underside of the Lexus caused those marks as JO was perhaps run over ?

 

[Linda7NJ]

according to the testimony of the independently hired arcca experts he was not hit by a car.

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They apparently weren’t independent & they certainly were not provided all the information,

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks - accident reconstruction is not an exact science, but I suspect the CW will add a better expert than who was presented at the 1st trial. Since the contention at that trial was the dog did not attack JO and leave marks on his arm (no canine DNA), is it not possible something on the underside of the Lexus caused those marks as JO was perhaps run over ?

There is zero actual evidence of dog involvement.
IMO it’s impossible to wrestle with a German Shepherd and not a single hair is transferred.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I think most of us have seen the wounds on John's arms that look they are from an animal attack, not a car accident. (Although some people believe that shards of taillight could have caused them.)

But what doesn't get discussed much is the condition of the shirt John was wearing at the time of his death.

Look at those tiny holes in the below picture. They match up with the wounds on John's arms and they're only a few millimeters in diameter. Do they look like the sort of damage that could be caused by those large shards of taillight that the Commonwealth claims were found at the scene? I've damaged a lot of clothes over the years, and a large piece of polycarbonate might rip or cut, but it couldn't make these kinds of holes. It would take something long and thin to puncture the fabric. Maybe a claw or fang. Or perhaps something else, like a metal skewer. But not a piece of taillight.

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Judge for yourself. Here's the reconstructed taillight that supposedly caused those tiny holes in his shirt.

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I believe the wounds came from his sliding over the shards