MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #18

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  • #781
Personally I wonder if, believing Read to be guilty, investigators juiced the evidence. I don't know they did that, but I do believe the case ought to be dismissed.

Especially how can chain of custody be established for the sallyport videos when the original footage has been 'lost'.
RSBM
Re your first paragraph above:
That's exactly what I think, mrjitty, and it seems to me it's obvious that's what's going on. They thought they knew she was guilty, but just to be EXTRA SURE, just to make sure it was super solid, no harm in, as you say, juicing the evidence, especially when it's so easy to do with as little oversight and accountability that there was in that police force, and as many apparently corrupt and immoral people working there, imo.

And yes, the chain of evidence issues abound in this case, more than any other I've seen! Cases have been dismissed with tainted evidence issues that amounted to much less than all those that pollute this case here. If there's problems with evidence, other judges will dismiss the case or rule that evidence inadmissible, so why doesn't this judge?? And if she doesn't do it, seems like there are laws covering this that should come in to play. You're not supposed to be able to allow tainted evidence of any kind in court, seems like everyone knows that... except this judge and these prosecutors.
 
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That's exactly what I think, mrjitty, and it seems to me it's obvious that's what's going on. They thought they knew she was guilty, but just to be EXTRA SURE, just to make sure it was super solid, no harm in, as you say, juicing the evidence, especially when it's so easy to do with as little oversight and accountability that there was in that police force, and as many apparently corrupt and immoral people working there, imo.
I agree! The taillight went from cracked to broken, many pieces appear mysteriously a day later in the snow, never found during an initial search, pieces of glass found on the bumper that doesn't match the glass that JOK had in his hand, the sally port videos disappear and become inverted, Proctor shared degrading and confidential police information with his friends and family (his superior was even on a thread where he liked his disparaging comment), cell phones destroyed by two members of police even after they were commanded to hand them over. Proctor drinking alcohol on duty and then driving a police vehicle impaired, with another member's gun left inside, which was later offered to be left in his mailbox for him IIRC. Higgins showing up after a night of drinking at 0100 hours to the Canton police station and roamed around for hours, and nobody spoke to him. Three police units and many LE personnel involved in juicing the evidence and outright lying to save their own skin - and their units not laying any charges? How can the public trust any of these departments after this case.
MOO
 
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  • #783
Read contended she was actually acquitted on two of the three charges, after jurors came forward after the first trial.

Can previous jurors be called as witnesses for the defense in the next trial??
 
  • #784
Ive stayed out of the thread for a while because being a KR guilty is frown upon; however, I have a right to my opinion and here goes. My opinion, and please feel free to happily scroll on by and not read. Thank you so much!


Chain of custody can be an issue in most cases. No case is perfect. Use common sense and the totality of the circumstances.

John O’Keefe never entered the home. There’s science in this case, dont look the other way.

KR staged the whole scene to get JM and KerR together to “find” John. She threw herself on him. JM didnt realize who the man in the snow was when she called 911. KR knew right away that a mound of snow was John. KR asked JM to make that google search 6:23/6:24 am ET.

The defense argued KR was framed, a conspiracy, that Officer O’Keefe was killed inside 34F, yet, theres been no evidence to substantiate, a lot of smoke and mirrors by the defense. A lot of lies, misrepresentation to mislead the public to taint the jury pool. Lying about witnesses, attacking witnesses.

Theres been no evidence that MP, planted or lied about any evidence. He took accountability for his actions of unprofessional derogatory comments about KR and most likely lose his employment. In addition, BA and MP did not have a close relationship, though the defense would like you to believe they did.

KR has yet to take any accountability for drunk driving, being extremely angry about their breakup, him choosing to continue on partying that night instead of going home with her. She in her intoxicated state hit him with her SUV, and possibly went back later, and saw what she had done. Failed to call 911.

KR a scorned angry young lady, mad she had invested so much into John and she had refused to leave his home when he asked her to leave. Perhaps she thought they would be okay (no marriage, nothing, honey) if meeting up that fateful night; but when he chose to stay and he got out of her car, that was the final straw (no pun intended) well all heck broke loose…. alcohol can be ruthless, yet she is still responsible for her actions.

Keep in mind KR wanted to have pizza earlier that night and to continue with partying, but then states later, had a stomach ache. At another time, needed to go to the bathroom. Which is it? Her stories change all the time. The truth does not change.

Pieces of KR’s SUV taillight were found near Officer John’s body, and his DNA allegedly detected on them.

Canton police collected taillight fragments from the snowy crime scene on 1/29/2022. Additional fragments were reportedly recovered from KR’s SUV when it was seized.


Particles from the taillight were found on O’Keefe’s clothing, and his DNA on the taillight linked him to KR’s SUV.

Pieces of a cocktail glass and patches of blood were found near O’Keefe’s body, supporting narrative of an incident involving KR’s vehicle.

This was the first time Canton police secured a crime scene in snow.

Not going to even address ridiculous non-dog bites. Other than theres no canine DNA found.

It’s understanding why no one (exception JN) saw John O’Keefe lying in the snow. If you truly understand where John's body was found you would understand.

Keep in mind about the weather, who examines someone’s yard as they are leaving their house? Isn’t the focus more on getting to your car? Besides, a person is looking down while walking to avoid falling. Maybe even following the person in front's foot tracks for stability.

Consciousness of guilt. All along, KR has been telling us what happened in bits and pieces, though the stories change all the time. I chose to believe what she is saying, and what the evidence shows.

Interesting, she publicly tells her stories but won’t testify… Thats called tainting the jury pool, and perhaps to avoid committing perjury.

We now know ARCCA is not credible.

I think the upcoming Investigation Discovery shows will be very revealing. Not sure I will watch it, though.

This defense team is working overtime for her because its a money maker, and so are the law tubers, etc, the money is rolling in for them all. Follow the money, y’all.

I send positive thoughts to KR. Something is not right with her. No, it's not because she is innocent. Innocent people dont act like her. If she had taken accountability for her actions, she would been out by now, maybe would have only had to pay a fine. Idk. Remember, initially, she was going to accept responsibility but it was not intentional.

I dont think a drunk driver should be given a free pass, especially a drunk driver that killed someone. That someone's name is Officer John O’Keefe, a 16 year veteran Boston police officer. It’s beyond belief that she was able to post bond running down and killing (allegedly) an officer. Yep, the town really let down the O’Keefe family and John’s loved ones. All jmo

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I agree! The taillight went from cracked to broken, many pieces appear mysteriously a day later in the snow, never found during an initial search, pieces of glass found on the bumper that doesn't match the glass that JOK had in his hand, the sally port videos disappear and become inverted, Proctor shared degrading and confidential police information with his friends and family (his superior was even on a thread where he liked his disparaging comment), cell phones destroyed by two members of police even after they were commanded to hand them over. Proctor drinking alcohol on duty and then driving a police vehicle impaired, with another member's gun left inside, which was later offered to be left in his mailbox for him IIRC. Higgins showing up after a night of drinking at 0100 hours to the Canton police station and roamed around for hours, and nobody spoke to him. Three police units and many LE personnel involved in juicing the evidence and outright lying to save their own skin - and their units not laying any charges? How can the public trust any of these departments after this case.
MOO

The simple fact that LE went out of their way to NOT document the condition of the taillight before Michael Proctor is seen hovering around it in the CPD sallyport is a huge red flag. They didn't even photograph it before it was put on a flat bed and driven over 30 miles from Dighton to Canton in a blizzard when an accident could have easily damaged her vehicle further is mind blowing to me. Not to mention it should have been brought to a much closer state police garage as opposed to Canton. Canton did not have jurisdiction, but it was conveniently 1.3 miles from Brian Albert's front lawn.

And then of course of the prosecution decides to show an inverted image video of Proctor in the sallyport, making it appear he wasn't hovering around near the taillight at all. The taillight pics taken on the lawn are terrible and provide zero context, making it impossible to reconstruct them or their alleged trajectory. Toss in the fact that there is zero evidence that JO's body was hit by a vehicle and it's very clear to me exactly what was going on here.
 
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It's hard to believe the next trial starts in just over two weeks. The judge has a huge number of motions to deal with in the interim though.

I'm very curious to see how the prosecution deals with Lead Investigator and Disgraced State Trooper Michael Proctor this time. It was bad enough last time, but he was relieved of duty without pay after the trial on July 1 and the state police disciplinary board has STILL not finalized their recommendations relative to his permanent termination. One wouldn't be off-base in guessing they're dragging their feet for a reason here. But if the trial is postponed for any meaningful amount of time, I don't see how much longer they can delay the inevitable.

Even if someone believed Read guilty for some reason, at best Proctor is a complete incompetent who broke a huge number of basic investigative rules here. At worst, he's a completely dirty copy who went way out of his way to frame an innocent woman to either make his work easier or to help his fellow Canton-ite cop pals overcome a serious problem. He needs to be gone either way.
 
  • #788
It's hard to believe the next trial starts in just over two weeks. The judge has a huge number of motions to deal with in the interim though.

I'm very curious to see how the prosecution deals with Lead Investigator and Disgraced State Trooper Michael Proctor this time. It was bad enough last time, but he was relieved of duty without pay after the trial on July 1 and the state police disciplinary board has STILL not finalized their recommendations relative to his permanent termination. One wouldn't be off-base in guessing they're dragging their feet for a reason here. But if the trial is postponed for any meaningful amount of time, I don't see how much longer they can delay the inevitable.

Even if someone believed Read guilty for some reason, at best Proctor is a complete incompetent who broke a huge number of basic investigative rules here. At worst, he's a completely dirty copy who went way out of his way to frame an innocent woman to either make his work easier or to help his fellow Canton-ite cop pals overcome a serious problem. He needs to be gone either way.

This is what i don’t get about the decision to go to trial again. How do you get round his conduct when he was a key investigator?

How does not calling him work?
 
  • #789
This is what i don’t get about the decision to go to trial again. How do you get round his conduct when he was a key investigator?

How does not calling him work?

They have to call him. If they don't, the defense will.

And a small correction - Proctor wasn't just a key investigator. He was the LEAD investigator. It's infuriating to me that my tax dollars are being used to support such an unwarranted prosecution <modsnip: no source link to support such a claim>
 
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  • #790
I guess proctor's wife is good with him talking trash about other women.

I would think considering HUMAN NATURE any person tasked with reviewing this would be a reasonable person, and while considering the situation would understand his distain for who he believed was a cop killer.
 
  • #791
How did she murder him? There is 0 conclusive evidence he was struck by a vehicle. Do you have an alternate theory?

If you believe she DID strike him with a vehicle to kill him, again, there is no conclusive evidence. So you *feel* that she is a murderer? Would you see her convicted on feelings? MOO

Yes, I believe in her drunkenness, she deliberately hit him and left him.
 
  • #792
Yes, I believe in her drunkenness, she deliberately hit him and left him.
Which isn’t provable - there is no definitive evidence JOK was hit by a vehicle. It is a theory. So the second part of my question still stands. You *feel* that she was drunk and killed him. The evidence we have does not support this. Would you like to see her convicted based on your feelings?
 
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I would think considering HUMAN NATURE any person tasked with reviewing this would be a reasonable person, and while considering the situation would understand his distain for who he believed was a cop killer.
But we know from evidence that Proctor is not a reasonable person in the way he let his emotions take over while he was assigned with leading this murder investigation. He shared highly confidential information with his friends and family about an ongoing investigation. He failed to investigate obvious persons of interest whose entire family he happened to be friends with - the Alberts - who lived right there where a murder victim was laying. He used language against Karen Read that was degrading and dehumanizing (calling her a c***, a whack job, saying she was "a babe", and even stating he wished she'd kill herself). He commented that he had been searching for nudes on her phone. While being responsible for a police vehicle and other road-users, he drank on duty and then drove that police vehicle while impaired. These are all examples of Michael Proctor being an unreasonable person. None of that is reasonable behavior and it is not human nature for the majority of people in their professional life. It must take a very warped and unwell individual to conduct himself that way.
MOO
 
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A federal judge denied Read’s petition to drop two of the three criminal charges she faces in state court in connection with the death of her boyfriend, Boston Police officer John O’Keefe, last week. But the judge, U.S. District Court Chief Justice F. Dennis Saylor IV, found Read’s lawyers made the necessary “substantial showing of the denial of a constitutional right” to allow an appeal to go forward
 
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Having followed this case for a while and watched the full first trial, there are only a few things I know for sure:
1. it was snowing.
2. they sat at the hightop tables
3. I am unbelievably grateful that I no longer live in that area and would never even want to drive through given the corruption.

IMO all the anger should be squarely on the MA police, the judge, and the prosecution. I literally have no idea what happened that night and because of the police, either because of corruption or being the worst kind of incompetent, none of us will ever know what happened. Even a high school kid would know better than to place any kind of evidence in solo cups and then a stop and shop bag. I have watched a lot of trials and I have never seen such blatant, out in the open in the open, bias in my life. Is this really how things are done in MA? Even if you believe KR to be guilty, where is the anger for the people who have made it impossible to ever get answers or justice?
 
  • #797
The Trial of Karen Read- tonight at 9pm on ID
 
  • #798
It's lonely over here on the guilty side. I believe that she did kill him. IMO KR acts entitled and arrogant. She is a murderer---IMO

If arrogance is an evidentiary fact that means someone is a murderer, then there's a lot of murderers walking around the Earth. JMO
 
  • #799
If arrogance is an evidentiary fact that means someone is a murderer, then there's a lot of murderers walking around the Earth. JMO
I know some murderers for sure now and in the past, hmm. Enjoying their lives even.
 
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Anyone see the video of guy who bought the same tail light from Lexus and tried to break it with a hammer? It took him a few good wacks with a hammer for it to break. The plastic was really thick. Then there was a light bulb that proves there was no way the light could have even operated the way it was supposed to if it was broken the way they are claiming. Add the fact that the hammer was hitting the light with excessive force, which is completely different then the passive for of JOK's arm and his weight behind him, there is 1000% no possible way the tail light was broken with JOK's arm. NONE!!
 
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