MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[keek]

I bet though if an alternate juror had joined the prosecution team it would have been viewed as a big no-no advantage and motions would have been filed. JMO

Having it found out that the foreman was an ex cop...who voted guilty, guilty and so on ..not A GOOD LOOK. Seems that should of banned him from jury duty, but do not know how that works.

 

[keek]

There is bias from the judge for some reason, that doesn't make sense IMO. I also noticed in many of the videos from the trial that she appears antsy, always moving, rocking her chair from side to side. Again, JMO, she seems uncomfortable even being there.

EXTREMELY obvious, not sure if a judge is overseen by a higher being when actions and behaviors are askance to seemingly unprofessional, hugely biased and so on.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, that is correct. Jen McCabe claimed the search was made when KR was looking for JOK with the group, around 6:30 AM. She claims that KR told her to make the search.

And yes, experts for the prosecution claimed that the tab was opened at 2:27, and that the ‘hos long’ search was made later. My post you quoted explains why I feel that is not possible, given the timestamp is from Googles servers, not from JM’s safari app.

Didn't those experts address that at trial? I didn't get to watch it myself.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Didn't those experts address that at trial? I didn't get to watch it myself.

Yes, as stated in the post you originally quoted. Jessica Hyde and Ian Whifflin.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, as stated in the post you originally quoted.

And you feel those experts were wrong only because Jen was using Safari browser?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

And you feel those experts were wrong only because Jen was using Safari browser?

Partially correct. I feel that the experts testifying on behalf of the prosecution repeatedly conflated the time stamps in Jen’s browser (safari) with the time stamps in Google’s servers (which is the actual 2:27 time stamp data that was admitted in court). They claimed that her activity in Safari could affect Google’s servers.

Edited to add for clarity: safari is a browser. It does not have its own search engine. The search engine Safari uses by default is Google. Safari has local device based data in its search history. Google’s is cloud based and server side - which means that unlike Safari, search history cannot be altered by the user in Google servers.

 

[sunshineray]

Having it found out that the foreman was an ex cop...who voted guilty, guilty and so on ..not A GOOD LOOK. Seems that should of banned him from jury duty, but do not know how that works.

Did the defense not do their homework or did the foreman not disclose he'd been a cop? I mean you could say the same about lawyers being picked as jurors, like that alternate. What if there was an ex-professor that didn't reveal it, would the prosecution have cause to appeal a verdict of not guilty?

 

[keek]

Did the defense not do their homework or did the foreman not disclose he'd been a cop? I mean you could say the same about lawyers being picked as jurors, like that alternate. What if there was an ex-professor that didn't reveal it, would the prosecution have cause to appeal a verdict of not guilty?

No idea if the prosecution did their homework either. Ex professor is not a member of law enforcement. No idea of how this works, but it was a police officer that did die amidst the entire event. Proctor fired, worth a read why, more to come after the CPD audit of the entire force.

 

[sunshineray]

Partially correct. I feel that the experts testifying on behalf of the prosecution repeatedly conflated the time stamps in Jen’s browser (safari) with the time stamps in Google’s servers (which is the actual 2:27 time stamp data that was admitted in court). They claimed that her activity in Safari could affect Google’s servers.

Edited to add for clarity: safari is a browser. It does not have its own search engine. The search engine Safari uses by default is Google. Safari has local device based data in its search history. Google’s is cloud based and server side - which means that unlike Safari, search history cannot be altered by the user in Google servers.

So the Safari local device based data would never supersede, if Google browser was being utilized on it? Did I get that right?

 

[Seattle1]

Wow ..that’s quite the smear.

Hardly. This is one local's detailed, relevant, experience. IMO, a smear is maligning jurors who received an inadequate verdict form!

Actually, the jury didn’t provide it. They never checked the boxes.
I don’t have much faith in people incapable of filling out the form correctly.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So the Safari local device based data would never supersede, if Google browser was being utilized on it? Did I get that right?

Correct, you are following my train of thought. Prosecution pointed at Safari as a cause for the search time being ‘transposed’ as they alleged. However, when you perform a search on Safari, that search is both logged in your local device AND on Google’s private servers. Whatever you do on your local device will not affect Google’s servers (such as re-opening a tab, new search in an existing tab, etc). The 2:27 timestamp of ‘hos long’ comes from Google servers, indicating that the timestamp is accurate. If the search ONLY showed 2:27 AM on Safari and NOT on Google’s servers, I would believe Jen. But that’s not the case.

Safaris device history is secondary. It does not alter, override, or change Google’s server-side logs in any way.

All IMO based on evidence and testimony presented in the first trial, personal research, and work experience.

 

[keek]

Hardly. This is one local's detailed, relevant, experience. IMO, a smear is maligning jurors who received an inadequate verdict form!

It is extremely cringeworthy no matter if you are on the fence or have not done your research, watched closely the entire first trial. The behavior is clear and impossible to miss.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Having it found out that the foreman was an ex cop...who voted guilty, guilty and so on ..not A GOOD LOOK. Seems that should of banned him from jury duty, but do not know how that works.

Ex-cops are allowed to serve on juries.
If the the defense wants to use one of their strikes to keep in off the jury that’s up to them.

 

[keek]

Ex-cops are allowed to serve on juries.
If the the defense wants to use one of their strikes to keep in off the jury that’s up to them.

Thanks for the info.

 

[sunshineray]

Same difference! If you've ever been close to a German Shepherd attacking another dog or a human, you'd know how horrifying it is. They are ferocious, with instantaneous reflexes. They can inflict severe injuries in seconds.

Any dog can. I've had German Shepherds my whole life, loving family dogs because they were brought up that way. One was my Dad's police dog that lived with us and was a cuddler, great with the neighbors too. All depends on the upbringing. MO

 

[sunshineray]

No idea if the prosecution did their homework either. Ex professor is not a member of law enforcement. No idea of how this works, but it was a police officer that did die amidst the entire event. Proctor fired, worth a read why, more to come after the CPD audit of the entire force.

Then the defense could have used one of their strikes to excuse that juror. I'm aware Proctor was fired. He was a witness subject to cross examination (which was brutal from my understanding), not a juror.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Then the defense could have used one of their strikes to excuse that juror. I'm aware Proctor was fired. He was a witness subject to cross examination (which was brutal from my understanding), not a juror.

Not trying to be snippy here, but I watched the trial. The most ‘brutal’ thing that happened during Proctors cross was defense requiring him to read out the texts he sent about KR. He was too ashamed to read out what he had written, including that he searched her phone for nude photos, and that he hoped she would commit suicide.

 

[Spectrix]

Not trying to be snippy here, but I watched the trial. The most ‘brutal’ thing that happened during Proctors cross was defense requiring him to read out the texts he sent about KR. He was too ashamed to read out what he had written, including that he searched her phone for nude photos, and that he hoped she would commit suicide.

I've never seen someone wanting to be swallowed up by the ground as much as Proctor was on cross that day.
I hope they make him do that again this time around.

 

[sunshineray]

Not trying to be snippy here, but I watched the trial. The most ‘brutal’ thing that happened during Proctors cross was defense requiring him to read out the texts he sent about KR. He was too ashamed to read out what he had written, including that he searched her phone for nude photos, and that he hoped she would commit suicide.

Yes I saw all that on the documentary. I'd say it was brutally uncomfortable for that witness and others. I've read some articles about the other stuff and his charges.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Did the defense not do their homework or did the foreman not disclose he'd been a cop? I mean you could say the same about lawyers being picked as jurors, like that alternate. What if there was an ex-professor that didn't reveal it, would the prosecution have cause to appeal a verdict of not guilty?

Maybe they were out of challenges for potential jurors? Did you watch the trial?