MISTRIAL MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #19

[Elliot_Alderson]

With what evidence ?

You are again asking for evidence that never had a chance to be collected because they didn’t search the house nor immediately interview people. How are you so certain they wouldn’t have found anything? Sure, it’s normal to randomly hide your dog states away.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

See my previous comment on felony perjury.

That is meaningless. The penalty for murder most places is at least 25 years so by that logic, nobody would ever commit murder because there’s a possibility of a long jail sentence.

 

[Sustained]

You are again asking for evidence that never had a chance to be collected because they didn’t search the house nor immediately interview people. How are you so certain they wouldn’t have found anything? Sure, it’s normal to randomly hide your dog states away.

Why would they search the house when there was no evidence JOK was even in the house ? Should they have searched the neighbors' house across the street ? How about the Bella's mother's house on Fairview ?

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Why would they search the house when there was no evidence JOK was even in the house ? Should they have searched the neighbors' house across the street ? How about the Bella's mother's house on Fairview ?

They would search the house because a body was found dead in their front yard that was known to all the occupants at a house party? Seems pretty obvious to me. You think if a dead body was found in my front lawn the cops wouldn't want to search my house? But if I was friends with cops that would be a different story. JMO

 

[keek]

You are again asking for evidence that never had a chance to be collected because they didn’t search the house nor immediately interview people. How are you so certain they wouldn’t have found anything? Sure, it’s normal to randomly hide your dog states away.

I don't think that dog hidden, alive hidden. They have got away so far under the downlow of the digging up the basement floor/carpet of course and having the connection with buddy Proctor, that enabled them to not be charged with anything, as NO investigation at that time inside of the house where JOK was on their lawn. ALL of this is in the AUDIT, needs to be read carefully for some.

 

[Sustained]

That is meaningless. The penalty for murder most places is at least 25 years so by that logic, nobody would ever commit murder because there’s a possibility of a long jail sentence.

What's meaningful is the felony. What happens when you get convicted of a felony ? Are jobs easier to come by ? Can you own a firearm ? What other consequences would it have on say ...Julie Nagel's life ?

Ridiculous to think that if one of the pseudo-conspirators talked, they would all be possibly charged.

Pure nonsense.

 

[rescuemom]

Lol ... I'm not demanding anything. But when 10+ people testify that JOK never came in the house and unless they are ALL lying, JOK never came into the house. You can speculate all you want. You could also say Brian Albert came outside with Chloe, yanked JOK out of Read's SUV, and they both attacked him viciously and killed him.

So you didn't know that JOK took 80 steps and estimated they were both down the stairs and up the stairs?? It's in the research.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you for clarifying. Would you please answer my first question? If missteps that occurred in the investigation into JOK’s death are so common, why is the FBI not more frequently involved in local investigations? Why are we not seeing the FBI carrying out their own parallel investigations all the time?

Because every police department doesn’t have high profile - cases

IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

See my previous comment on felony perjury.

If you think it’s relevant, you’re welcome to link it.

 

[keek]

They would search the house because a body was found dead in their front yard that was known to all the occupants at a house party? Seems pretty obvious to me. You think if a dead body was found in my front lawn the cops wouldn't want to search my house? But if I was friends with cops that would be a different story. JMO

JOK was not found across the street or 'Bella's mom's. Remember where he was found, to a place he was INVITED and J.Mc KEPT calling and calling him, texts and calls that she deleted but WERE FOUNDDD. 'pants on fire...... if you know the little poem.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Really. How about covering up the truth about the murder of a fellow officer inside the home of another officer. Then said other officer just about guts his house to get rid of any evidence, rehomes his dog and skips town.

That’s quite the narrative. I find it unbelievable.

IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

What's meaningful is the felony. What happens when you get convicted of a felony ? Are jobs easier to come by ? Can you own a firearm ? What other consequences would it have on say ...Julie Nagel's life ?

Ridiculous to think that if one of the pseudo-conspirators talked, they would all be possibly charged.

Pure nonsense.

So your assessment is that because a crime has a long jail penalty that it means people wouldn't commit that crime? Take a minute and think about how silly that sounds. Why is anyone locked up for more than 20+ years in this country? Didn't they have to worry about getting jobs? About owning a firearm?

I guess Casey Anthony and OJ didn't do it because it would have been harder for them to get jobs and guns and that would have stopped them from committing a crime. JMO

 

[keek]

They would search the house because a body was found dead in their front yard that was known to all the occupants at a house party? Seems pretty obvious to me. You think if a dead body was found in my front lawn the cops wouldn't want to search my house? But if I was friends with cops that would be a different story. JMO

Turns out THAT particular cop and cohorts and then even the EMT woman!! I was very surprised she was caught out lieing as well on the stand.

 

[Sustained]

So your assessment is that because a crime has a long jail penalty that it means people wouldn't commit that crime? Take a minute and think about how silly that sounds. Why is anyone locked up for more than 20+ years in this country? Didn't they have to worry about getting jobs? About owning a firearm?

I guess Casey Anthony and OJ didn't do it because it would have been harder for them to get jobs and guns and that would have stopped them from committing a crime. JMO

Big difference between Casey Anthony/OJ and Sarah Levinson among others.

And murder and lying on the witness stand, but you know that.

 

[rescuemom]

What is the vested interest of the 10+ people denying he was in the house ?

Most related to the owner of the house or the occupants of the house. What about Albert's daughter's testimony the JOK was in the house??

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Big difference between Casey Anthony/OJ and Sarah Levinson among others.

And murder and lying on the witness stand, but you know that.

Not really. Why would a jail sentence stop someone you support from committing a crime but it wouldn't stop someone you don't support from committing a crime? Hypocrisy.

 

[mrjitty]

Because every police department doesn’t have high profile - cases

IMO

I do think this is part of it. In many cases I’ve followed officers have botched the crime scene investigation. Sometimes disastrously so.

I suspect in this case the initial issues were mostly that the victim was not dead yet so the priority was emergency response.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is fallacious. This line of thought is called the ‘burden of proof’ fallacy. You are demanding proof of something that was never investigated. It is impossible to prove a negative.

There was zero probable cause to enter the house.
Karen never once said, “WTH happened? I saw him go into that house”

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Because every police department doesn’t have high profile - cases

IMO

It’s a high profile case BECAUSE the missteps were so egregious and suspicious that it caught national attention. If as you claim, the errors noted in the audit are ‘common’, they wouldn’t trigger audits, parallel federal investigations, and public outrage. Saying ‘this happens everywhere’ is, if anything, not a defense of the police, but an indictment of systemic incompetence/sloppiness/corruption. And in this case, it was so sloppy and blatant that it caught the nations attention.

All MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I do think this is part of it. In many cases I’ve followed officers have botched the crime scene investigation. Sometimes disastrously so.

I suspect in this case the initial issues were mostly that the victim was not dead yet so the priority was emergency response.

He was certainly dead - they attempts were to warm & resuscitate him