MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

[Forest_Wood]

If you think police, rescue, firemen and doctors are 100% professional 100% of the time …
I’d like to sell you a bridge

IMO

How about 5% or even 1%?
This fool was 100% unprofessional.

• drinking while on duty
• driving a police vehicle while drunk
• putting other road users at risk of injury
• conducting himself as a judge and jury in an investigation
• calling a defendant horrific names
• calling her lawyer names
• offering to leave a cop's gun in a mailbox
• sharing confidential police information
• lying on official documents
• not disclosing personal relationships related to prospective persons of interest
• not investigating a crime scene adequately
• not securing crime scene
• protecting his cop buddies by failing to investigate them
• accepting bribes and arranging for wife to receive gifts
• holding onto crucial evidence beyond what is considered normal
• possible staging of evidence
• "losing" evidence under his care

I'm sure there's more. And that's only what we KNOW about. Think of all we don't know! Michael Proctor does not deserve to wear a uniform or be someone in charge of anything.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

DBM double post

 

[Wishbone]

If you think police, rescue, firemen and doctors are 100% professional 100% of the time …
I’d like to sell you a bridge

IMO

The State Police Trial Board found Proctor guilty of sending "derogatory, defamatory and disparaging and/ or inappropriate text messages" about Read while leading the investigation into her. He was also found guilty of providing sensitive and confidential information about the case to people outside of law enforcement and consuming alcohol while on duty.

Lead investigator in Karen Read case who sent sexist and crude texts about her has been fired

The lead investigator in the Karen Read case was fired Wednesday after a disciplinary board found he sent sexist and crude texts about her to his family and colleagues.

abc30.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

The State Police Trial Board found Proctor guilty of sending "derogatory, defamatory and disparaging and/ or inappropriate text messages" about Read while leading the investigation into her. He was also found guilty of providing sensitive and confidential information about the case to people outside of law enforcement and consuming alcohol while on duty.

Lead investigator in Karen Read case who sent sexist and crude texts about her has been fired

The lead investigator in the Karen Read case was fired Wednesday after a disciplinary board found he sent sexist and crude texts about her to his family and colleagues.

abc30.com

A disgrace to the uniform!
I wonder how his "friends" feel about him now. Proctor made it harder on them now that they all have to testify and go through this once again. OTOH he helped them keep a low profile but OTOH they are all right back in the spotlight showing the world what upstanding citizens they really are.
MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Instincts. Haha. That's hilarious! Too bad he didn't use those same instincts when he went drinking and then driving his police vehicle with another cop. He also shared more than his opinion! He shared confidential information from a police investigation. He acted like judge and jury within hours after arrival. And he lost his profession because of it. The public pays professional people to maintain confidentiality and impartiality. What he did was whacked! He's crazy!
MOO

I certainly agree he is the biggest weakness in the CW case.

Without his 'work', the glass in JOKs shirt would dispose of the case. Reading the tea leaves, jury 1 seems to have believed he did not plant that evidence. I am not sure how his subsequent firing will impact there. Personally I think if he really was railroading KR to protect cops, he never would have been fired. However the jury is unlikely to think of it that way IMO.

 

[mrjitty]

If you think police, rescue, firemen and doctors are 100% professional 100% of the time …
I’d like to sell you a bridge

IMO

I think this was a bit more than unprofessional.

But in any event, I think it is a leap from the actions he was sacked for, and the idea he staged the crime scene.

 

[mrjitty]

In terms of lessons from T1, I do wonder if the defence should dial back it's fight conspiracy to focus on ARCCA

It seems the jury were not there on murder, but did largely believe the Lexus was involved. That is really the natural and obvious inference from the glass in the shirt - unless you believe Proctor framed the defendant.

For me the fight theory and Jen McCabe coverup is all a bridge too far, because you then need that AND proctor to do a coverup. The jury seem to have not gone with that, which is not really surprising given the jury won't come steeped in the backstories we've all been consuming.

It seems stronger to focus on the baffling accident mechanics, and the lack of injuries to the victim and ARCCAs view on that. Throw your arms and a dog in the air and who knows what really happened. Coupled with a botched investigation gets you to reasonable doubt and probably another hung jury.

I especially wonder if for example the attacks on JMc won't land with a jury who has no reason particularly to question her. As i watched her testimony only after the deleted search had been 'debunked' she came across fairly well for me - and understandably annoyed at being accused of covering up murder of her friend.

Of course the Defendants out of court statements are now problematic on that front as they apparently commit her to a house version.

I do wonder why they did that.

02c

 

[Angelwatch]

In terms of lessons from T1, I do wonder if the defence should dial back it's fight conspiracy to focus on ARCCA

It seems the jury were not there on murder, but did largely believe the Lexus was involved. That is really the natural and obvious inference from the glass in the shirt - unless you believe Proctor framed the defendant.

For me the fight theory and Jen McCabe coverup is all a bridge too far, because you then need that AND proctor to do a coverup. The jury seem to have not gone with that, which is not really surprising given the jury won't come steeped in the backstories we've all been consuming.

It seems stronger to focus on the baffling accident mechanics, and the lack of injuries to the victim and ARCCAs view on that. Throw your arms and a dog in the air and who knows what really happened. Coupled with a botched investigation gets you to reasonable doubt and probably another hung jury.

I especially wonder if for example the attacks on JMc won't land with a jury who has no reason particularly to question her. As i watched her testimony only after the deleted search had been 'debunked' she came across fairly well for me - and understandably annoyed at being accused of covering up murder of her friend.

Of course the Defendants out of court statements are now problematic on that front as they apparently commit her to a house version.

I do wonder why they did that.

02c

I find the debris on the shirt problematic. IIRC, there was no record of it being in evidence for some time and no chain of custody. It’s a shame the investigation was so poorly conducted.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I find the blood stains dripping down JO's shirt problematic, as well. For blood to drip downwards onto his shirt, someone needs to be sitting or standing, no laying prone on the ground. The CW's version ignored that and the medical experts agreed JO would not have moved after his serious head injuries.

 

[mrjitty]

I find the blood stains dripping down JO's shirt problematic, as well. For blood to drip downwards onto his shirt, someone needs to be sitting or standing, no laying prone on the ground. The CW's version ignored that and the medical experts agreed JO would not have moved after his serious head injuries.

Well this is all what I am wondering about. Might it be better to highlight this sort of stuff, highlight Proctor's diabolical dismissal, lack of solid investigation, hint at corruption and have ARCCA as your proof they got it wrong? You only need to get to reasonable doubt.

In simple terms, Proctor seems a much better villain that McCabe and co.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I find the debris on the shirt problematic. IIRC, there was no record of it being in evidence for some time and no chain of custody. It’s a shame the investigation was so poorly conducted.

You took the words right out of my mouth. The shirt is case-defining evidence. And it is unaccounted for in the official record for DAYS. It casts serious doubt on the integrity of the whole process, IMO.

 

[Derph]

The State Police Trial Board found Proctor guilty of sending "derogatory, defamatory and disparaging and/ or inappropriate text messages" about Read while leading the investigation into her. He was also found guilty of providing sensitive and confidential information about the case to people outside of law enforcement and consuming alcohol while on duty.

Lead investigator in Karen Read case who sent sexist and crude texts about her has been fired

The lead investigator in the Karen Read case was fired Wednesday after a disciplinary board found he sent sexist and crude texts about her to his family and colleagues.

abc30.com

Again the hoops one has to jump thru to ignore all the established facts and The Universal Order of Things to find KR is guilty is unfathomable to me. There is an element in this case that just flat out hates KR and facts be damned!! The personal attacks on social media picking apart her choice of shoes or what she is eating for lunch are getting more desperate and loud as this trial gets underway.

 

[Tortoise]

In terms of lessons from T1, I do wonder if the defence should dial back it's fight conspiracy to focus on ARCCA

It seems the jury were not there on murder, but did largely believe the Lexus was involved. That is really the natural and obvious inference from the glass in the shirt - unless you believe Proctor framed the defendant.

For me the fight theory and Jen McCabe coverup is all a bridge too far, because you then need that AND proctor to do a coverup. The jury seem to have not gone with that, which is not really surprising given the jury won't come steeped in the backstories we've all been consuming.

It seems stronger to focus on the baffling accident mechanics, and the lack of injuries to the victim and ARCCAs view on that. Throw your arms and a dog in the air and who knows what really happened. Coupled with a botched investigation gets you to reasonable doubt and probably another hung jury.

I especially wonder if for example the attacks on JMc won't land with a jury who has no reason particularly to question her. As i watched her testimony only after the deleted search had been 'debunked' she came across fairly well for me - and understandably annoyed at being accused of covering up murder of her friend.

Of course the Defendants out of court statements are now problematic on that front as they apparently commit her to a house version.

I do wonder why they did that.

02c

Agreed.

Another aspect that is not well thought through by the defence is that they are alluding to planting of evidence by police at a point in the investigation where police had been given no reason to think KR would deny hitting him with her vehicle, and had in fact told people both that she had and she could have. So police had no motive to stage anything before her ridiculous late story change about seeing him go inside the house. That, after saying she left him at the waterfall and saying to John 'no one knows where you are', without contacting anyone in the house, and then not asking anyone outside that morning anything at all about John going or being inside!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Well this is all what I am wondering about. Might it be better to highlight this sort of stuff, highlight Proctor's diabolical dismissal, lack of solid investigation, hint at corruption and have ARCCA as your proof they got it wrong? You only need to get to reasonable doubt.

In simple terms, Proctor seems a much better villain that McCabe and co.

I tend to agree that the focus should be towards pointing out the misconduct of the lead investigator on the case rather than pointing at a nebulous third party that the jury may or may not accept. I think focusing on reasonable doubt will be the winning approach. MOO.

 

[Derph]

Instincts. Haha. That's hilarious! Too bad he didn't use those same instincts when he went drinking and then driving his police vehicle with another cop. He also shared more than his opinion! He shared confidential information from a police investigation. He acted like judge and jury within hours after arrival. And he lost his profession because of it. The public pays professional people to maintain confidentiality and impartiality. What he did was whacked! He's crazy!
MOO

Since KR's comment on OJ has been entered the chat...Mark Furman sunk the whole OJ prosecution because he used racial slurs. I see Proctor as cut from the same mold but worse. Furman generally did a pretty decent job procedural wise. His forensic integrity was never really in question. The Defense pointed out some flaws but literally every good lawyer will find things to doubt. His racism completed nuked his good police work.

Proctor on the other hand was a complete failure as a cop. He blew the investigation because he couldn't be bothered to do a good job. Therefore practically ALL the evidence he collected and brought forth was tainted and compromised. Throw in his misogyny, his neanderthal mentality, and his disgusting behavior and you have more than enough reason to dismiss everything he brought to the investigation.

How anyone can excuse what Proctor did or more importantly didn't do makes me question what motivations one has on this case.

 

[rescuemom]

I find the blood stains dripping down JO's shirt problematic, as well. For blood to drip downwards onto his shirt, someone needs to be sitting or standing, no laying prone on the ground. The CW's version ignored that and the medical experts agreed JO would not have moved after his serious head injuries.

Possibly sucker punched in his stomach from which he then vomited. Then a strike to his face producing swollen black eyes and blood from nose/mouth while standing or sitting. Then the final blow to the back of his head killing him. He was beaten from all sides by more than 1 person at 34 Faieview and it was all covered up!!!

 

[rescuemom]

Thoughts on if KR is acquitted. What will take place to bring justice to JOK?? Or if this trial brings another hung jury, do you see a third trial????

 

[Derph]

Gonna repost this here so if it looks familiar I did post this on twitter under a different name. This was in response to a person saying that us FKR people are whack jobs and believe in conspiracy theories.


" The point is we don't want to believe conspiracy theories, we want sound, reasonable explanations and factual evidence of why so many people did so many suspicious, shady things in the hours and days around JOK's death. 47 butt dials needs explaining."


I'm adding this here and it's not part of my tweet. And besides just the butt dials we need explanations and factual evidence of about 100 other different things that are very suspicious at the very least. Things like physics, impossible odds, mixed up timelines, lying on the stand, destroying cell phones, deleting texts, reversing camera footage, missing camera footage, working on their days off, not coming out of the house when a friend got murdered on your front lawn, unidentified people at the crime scene, etc, etc, etc. There is just so many things that need explaining and not just saying " It just is! " That is not reasonable and the aniti's know it but just can't get over their hatred of KR.

 

[mickey2942]

I haven't followed this case much, but I can't believe the hubris of another trial here.

I don't see a win here for the Prosecution.

 

[Forest_Wood]

According to the article and video below, MP was fired after a Trial Board found him guilty of violating MSP standards by providing sensitive information about a homicide victim, potential witnesses and investigative steps to non-law enforcement personnel, sending a derogatory, inappropriate and disparaging remarks about KR yo friends and coworkers, drinking on duty while also driving a department-issued vehicle and his biased inappropriate misconduct during the investigation.

Trooper Michael Proctor fired for conduct during Karen Read murder case

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, who rose to infamy over his handling of the Karen Read murder case, has been terminated.

www.boston.com

That is truly funny to hear Proctor's family statement that him being fired "unfairly exploits and scapegoats one of their own" and "he is not unfit to continue being a MA state trooper". I suppose they can't comprehend the severity of his misconduct, which shows how prevalent his conduct must have been for them to think it's normal behavior.
Also, the video talks about the defense submitting 91 people on their list of witnesses as compared to 77 from Trial 1 - 14 more witnesses than last time.
MOO