MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

[LvsAMystry]

RSBM

That's a flaw in the defense case right there. Loughran not seeing a body between 2.30/2.45am, after JMc allegedly searched how long to die in the cold at 2.27am.

I don't put stock in any of the witnesses who said they didn't see John lying there. It's more accurate to say they didn't notice anything, because people are positioned differently, moving differently, generally distracted by their own thoughts, perhaps their own intoxication, conversations, and any one of a hundred other sights and lights, and not focused on one specific spot, searching for a body lying on the ground at night and in those weather conditions. Our eyes don't take in every aspect of a landscape, I might be standing in front of a vista of beautiful hills but noticing the clouds in the sky, or one bird.

No flaw, it could mean that’s exactly when there was consideration of putting him outside aka how long will it take if we do now…

 

[Tortoise]

Ah yes, phantom “other” police officers who presented conveniently to Fanning at a critical moment just before deliberations in the 1st trial and thus allowing Fanning to “report” the errant Read leaning juror for misconduct and dismissal. I suppose it would’ve been better if Cannone had granted Defense’ request back then to corroborate these phantom police officers rather than rely on Fanning’s third party reporting, but of course she didn’t allow.

She made a ruling that there was no impropriety and the police had nothing to do with looking after the jury as claimed. These were unsubstantiated claims by the defense and cannot be reported as having in fact happened, as your post implied.

Let’s not forget the person in charge of the 1st jury was none other than Trooper John Fanning

 

[Tortoise]

No flaw, it could mean that’s exactly when there was consideration of putting him outside aka how long will it take if we do now…

JMc was at home.

 

[Forest_Wood]

According to the transcript read in court, JMc testified at least 2 times in front of the GJ that KR kept frantically asking the questions “Did I hit him? Could I hit him? Is he alive” when speaking to the responding officer or EMT. This is similar to what she asked CR, according to the nurse’s testimony, after she shows both women her taillight earlier that morning. However, it appears that later during trial 1 that JMc recalls KR repeatedly confessing, not asking like she testified earlier, by stating ‘I hit him I hit him I hit I him’ in her respond to questions from the first responder. If JMc was certain that she overheard these confessions from KR after finding JOK why didn’t she mention them during the GJ?

Which is kind of weird, IMO, considering that JOK was wearing a dark colored shirt, black sneakers and should have been bleeding profusely. From the perspective of drivers heading south on that road, and thus driving past where JOK tragically laid prone, JOK’s blood and clothes should have stood out both against both the snow and bright red fire hydrant next to him. Additionally, in the case of BH who testified leaving 12:30 and CA and her boyfriend left around 1:15, and both of whom testified that their headlights were on and they could see the road ahead of them, there likely was not enough time between JOK allegedly getting hit and them leaving the home too for snow to have accumulated enough to cover JOK and basically render him invisible. So how did they not see him? JMc also mentioned looking straight ahead and being able to see the road as her husband drove with the headlights but testified she also did not see JOK. However, JN eyes were able to note a dark shape from the back passenger window without the assistance of the headlights available? If JN could notice a dark shape from the back without lights on why didn’t JMc or MMc see it when JMc testified to being focused on the road and area them? What about the snow plower with his bright headlights? IIRC, he testified to regularly checking the roads and the areas around them for hazards while he worked and was confident in his recall that JOK was not there, lying on that spot near curb and flag pole, when he plowed past there at 2:30/2:45 that morning. What about the car he did testify too seeing parked near that spot as he drove by? Was the owner or the driver ever identified?

JMO/JMT

It's been my experience that people sitting in the rear of SUVs or trucks get a better view due to their angle. Yesterday, I was in the middle seat of an SUV, while my SIL was sitting in the rear seats. She was making comments about people who were crossing on the other side of the intersections, while we could not see them at first due to the top of the front window cutting off our view.
When Jen McCabe and Kerry Roberts were in the front seat, I could see them focusing mostly on the snow hitting the windshield, while Karen Read may have had a better (longer/wider) view of distance from her angle in the rear seat.
JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

That's a flaw in the defense case right there. Loughran not seeing a body between 2.30/2.45am, after JMc allegedly searched how long to die in the cold at 2.27am.

Except JOK could have been kept sitting up (maybe in the side yard) until after JM made that search at 2:27AM, and after Loughran went by at 2:45AM, and then dumped onto the front yard later.
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

JMc was at home.

And her sister and brother in law were at the house where JOK was found laying in their yard. JMc is a busybody, involved in EVERYBODY'S business. She acts like a know-it-all and I could see her trying to "fix it" for her sister and BIL once she got home.
MOO

 

[rescuemom]

**EDIT I did not see your post Forest Wood***

Does anyone else wonder why JMc is 'taking the lead' in trying to push the KR theory and is trying to protect the Alberts, particularly the younger Albert mentioned in this case?? Why are they, especially the younger Albert's parents not more vocal??? Why is she the 'mouthpiece' and 'contact person' appearing to be 'rounding up the troops' IMO.

 

[rescuemom]

I have heard more than once that the first KR trial was Lally's first murder trial. Anyone else hear this?? Supposedly the DA picked him because a couple of the more experienced attys were busy with other trials. Isn't their 'bench' deeper than that??

 

[kuromiiiilove]

**EDIT I did not see your post Forest Wood***

Does anyone else wonder why JMc is 'taking the lead' in trying to push the KR theory and is trying to protect the Alberts, particularly the younger Albert mentioned in this case?? Why are they, especially the younger Albert's parents not more vocal??? Why is she the 'mouthpiece' and 'contact person' appearing to be 'rounding up the troops' IMO.

I’ve long wondered the same. She really did put herself front and center, while the people in the house that night remain, for the most part, silent. If there’s nothing to hide, and I were the Alberts, I’d be doing way more to try to clear the air - ESPECIALLY if I thought that Karen really did kill JOK, and may get away with it because my silence grants a convenient person to point at for the defense. MOO

 

[LvsAMystry]

And her sister and brother in law were at the house where JOK was found laying in their yard. JMc is a busybody, involved in EVERYBODY'S business. She acts like a know-it-all and I could see her trying to "fix it" for her sister and BIL once she got home.
MOO

Right, or she knew the plan…

 

[Forest_Wood]

**EDIT I did not see your post Forest Wood***

Does anyone else wonder why JMc is 'taking the lead' in trying to push the KR theory and is trying to protect the Alberts, particularly the younger Albert mentioned in this case?? Why are they, especially the younger Albert's parents not more vocal??? Why is she the 'mouthpiece' and 'contact person' appearing to be 'rounding up the troops' IMO.

We are thinking alike because it's so evident JMc is a mouthpiece who thinks she's smarter than everybody else in the room!
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I have heard more than once that the first KR trial was Lally's first murder trial. Anyone else hear this?? Supposedly the DA picked him because a couple of the more experienced attys were busy with other trials. Isn't their 'bench' deeper than that??

I wonder why Lally's even there for the second trial when they've got Brennan now. Wasting $$$$ when he could be working on a different trial while Brennan does his thing here.
MOO

 

[arielilane]

First she compared supporters demo as the modern equivalent of the protests that ended the Vietnam War and now she is glorifying someone who got away with murdering a mother and young man in cold-blood. Don't think she is smarter, just still not wanting to take accountability or as her attorney DY advised culpability. moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

My first post about this case- I am convinced Proctor had someone plant pieces of tail light on the 29th because Karen’s tail light was more or less intact when she left John’s driveway at 5:08 a.m. The tail light is red all the way across.

Brennan’s reference to “white light shining through” is a red herring. Under no circumstances would white light be shining through because the actual LED lights in the tail light are red. There are no white bulbs, as Brennan suggested. So whatever white was seen on his video was either some kind of artifact or the result of tampering with the video.

By mid-day Proctor was sure Karen hit John, based on Jen’s statement (and his bias in favor of the Albert’s) but there was no physical evidence and no eyewitnesses to Karen hitting John. So he made sure there was something to implicate Karen by manufacturing evidence and having it placed at the scene.

I don’t know what happened to John - but the people inside the house know more than what they have disclosed. If they had nothing to hide, then we wouldn’t see all the changing testimony, destruction of cell phones, deleted messages, butt dials, and overall shady behavior by nearly everyone in the house.

They were all so drunk (including Karen and John) most of them probably have no clear recollection of what happened. They’re all trying to recreate a narrative based off of data from text messages and phone calls.

As far as the 2:27 a.m. google search, I’ve never seen a cellebrite report show a search at a particular time that wasn’t accurate. I’ve never even seen an attorney question the reliability of times generated in a cellebrite report. Occam’s razor - it seems more likely than not that the search happened at that time. Why? Who knows what exactly was happening at that time and whether Jen would even remember it?

And finally, John’s injuries could not have possibly happened the way the CW has theorized.

I could not get past where you claim taillight bulbs are red. They’re not. The lense is red, not the bulb. IMO

 

[turaj]

I wonder why Lally's even there for the second trial when they've got Brennan now. Wasting $$$$ when he could be working on a different trial while Brennan does his thing here.
MOO

i assume Lally will be silent during the trial and is there to offer details from first trial if need arises to keep Brennan up to speed. Other than that not sure what he can contribute.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The CW reconstructionist for this trial is only slightly better than Trp Paul.

You might want to read over the new experts credentials.

Judson B. Welcher | Executive Vice President

Judson B. Welcher

www.aperturellc.com

Here’s some of his published works

http://profiles.sae.org/57831106144/

 

[Amber29]

We are thinking alike because it's so evident JMc is a mouthpiece who thinks she's smarter than everybody else in the room!
MOO

Personally imo when they put him in the yard they didn’t plan to necessarily frame KR. Perhaps just thought like a hit and run or something would be blamed. I mean if you belief her tail light didn’t get damaged until she was leaving JOKs house that morning, they couldn’t have known that. KR kind of inserted herself by raising the alarm looking for him that morning. She became the easy target to blame and it was JMc that realized this that early morning. All imo.

 

[Cortne]

So this week the trial of Dr Tuerk was happening in the courtroom next door to where jury selection was going on in the KR trial. In that trial a member of the MSP testified on cell phone data and how he used a certain company's software to extract the data from several people's cell phones ( Michael Proctor's was one of them!! You really can't make this stuff up!). You'll never guess what company that MSP investigator used to definitively extract key evidence for his investigation????

CELLEBRITE!

Oh will you look at that! So when it serves the CW's case, Cellebrite is 1000% accurate, definitive and infallible BUT for just this one time when it hurts the CW's case, it's a garbage product put together by hacks who have no business designing software. Another miracles of miracles!!! Cellebrite works on 99.99999999% of all cellphones on planet Earth BUT it doesn't work on Jen Mcabe's phone. NOPE, she the only human being on the planet who has a cell phone that Cellebrite doesn't work on and we can't trust the data. Just throw it out and don't bring this to court for the Read Trial!

So what it is? Cellbrite either works or doesn't work. Yet another undeniable fact that the CW is a freakin; joke and has absolutely no interest in finding justice for JOK.

Get out of my head! lol you cannot make this stuff up!! Unreal

 

[Cortne]

Personally imo when they put him in the yard they didn’t plan to necessarily frame KR. Perhaps just thought like a hit and run or something would be blamed. I mean if you belief her tail light didn’t get damaged until she was leaving JOKs house that morning, they couldn’t have known that. KR kind of inserted herself by raising the alarm looking for him that morning. She became the easy target to blame and it was JMc that realized this that early morning. All imo.

Snakes. All snakes. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I could not get past where you claim taillight bulbs are red. They’re not. The lense is red, not the bulb. IMO

This is entirely dependent on the make and model of the vehicle.

Linda, you’re probably thinking of older cars that have incandescent bulbs with a white light and a red cover.

However, you can research Karen’s Lexus (2017 Lexus RX 350), and easily find that the ACTUAL tail light, not just the cover, is red. The REVERSE lights are white.