MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

[jepop]

I doubt it is very relevant to the trial but I do find it curious

If we accept 12.24 as arrival at Fairview and 12.36 (connection to the Wifi) as approx arrival at JOK's there is a lot less fairview waiting time available than the defendant claims in "Body in the Snow". Especially she says she called him before she left - but that first call was at 12.33 so she was already on the way home by that time.

So i find it interesting that she must have left sooner than in BitS version and there is 5 mins between arrival, and the voice mail with car in the garage

As a general rule, I've only ever followed the court appearances, trial evidence and other court filings in this case, or msm that reports on them. So in short I haven't watched any documentaries, extraneous interviews and so forth. jmo

 

[Forest_Wood]

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/story/karen-read-second-trial-what-to-know

A review of the trial and what's next.

 

[keek]

Standing up for blatant sexism and misogyny as a woman is... definitely an interesting choice, Linda

....and exactly why he was fired.

 

[Tricia]

Yes, Law and Crime, CourtTV and several other local Boston stations are live streaming the trial next week (beginning Tuesday, April 22, 2025) on YT.

Thank you. Please look at the top of this thread. You'll see the livestream for Tuesday. You can watch the trial on Websleuths and post at the same time. It is much easier to post here than in the fast-moving chats on YouTube.

 

[keek]

....and exactly why he was fired.

There is the term the moral majority but at times now, there is the definite immoral minority that show themselves as we are seeing. So horribly unfortunate that one wields the pen for those as well as himself . Look in your mirror people and choose to enlighten bitter character for whatever your reason. USA needs better as we had previously.

 

[Only4Justice]

Watch Dateline Episode: The Night of the Nor'easter - NBC.com

An earlier documentary.

Thank you! I’m watching it now.

 

[mrjitty]

As a general rule, I've only ever followed the court appearances, trial evidence and other court filings in this case, or msm that reports on them. So in short I haven't watched any documentaries, extraneous interviews and so forth. jmo

i normally agree but that version is coming in to evidence which is a difference to last time.

i wonder if they were working to the 12.41 timeline when she gave that interview. Do we know when it was filmed?

 

[jepop]

Thanks Tricia. I won't be watching much of it live, but this will be great for watching testimony and interacting on the thread with less hassle.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Has anyone noticed that Judge Cannone doesn't say, "Overruled" after an objection? Instead, she declares, "I'll give him this one" referring to the defense and then she asks the same question to the witness already posed by the defense. Maybe she considers the word Overruled too harsh for the jury to hear. I've never noticed another judge handle objections in this way.

 

[rescuemom]

Thank you for confirming all of my points and that drinking and driving is a crime.

Your statement: "TB has little to do with KR's case IMO.” Another confirmation.

It getting old to keep blaming the investigation. Not every investigation is perfect. Name one perfect investigation. Shall we let out all prisoners who were convicted because of a poor investigation? There is no perfect investigation.

There is solid evidence against KR, please listen to the facts of the case.
It’s coming in T2. But, I dont think others want to know the truth, for what ever reason.
Let the drunk killer go free?

KR doesnt have the money, the money is coming from those who have been duped. She bankrupt her family.

Respectively do you know anything about this case? This case truly can be exhausting with the fake info.

just an opinion of course- speculation of course but time will tell

Many that evening could be accused of driving while drunk. IMO, that is not the crux of the case at all! How do you explain the 80 steps... both up and down steps.. that JOK took right before his phone that was disconnected from KR's car and then was manually shut off?

 

[shotgun09]

Has anyone noticed that Judge Cannone doesn't say, "Overruled" after an objection? Instead, she declares, "I'll give him this one" referring to the defense and then she asks the same question to the witness already posed by the defense. Maybe she considers the word Overruled too harsh for the jury to hear. I've never noticed another judge handle objections in this way.

I noticed that as well. Also, Judge Cannone will often chastise the defense with an " Ask it differently, Mr Jackson" statement. When defense does 'ask it differently' and re-phrases a question, then Judge usually will confront the witness on the stand herself, with a snarky, condescending, and manipulative manner...like "Is that what you heard?", or "is that how you felt?"....thereby ending the line of cross from the defense. She really is something to watch.

 

[rescuemom]

My opinion is as worthless as the next, but I do feel strongly the CW wouldn't have brought this goat rodeo back to town if they had thought Proctor was about to get perp walked by the FBI.

My guess is they cut him loose because the damage is done and HB will now say "look - LE even sacked this bad apple"

IMO, I don't think anyone set out to frame KR she just became the convenient and handy gift of becoming the scapegoat to protect who and what caused JOK death inside the house at 34 Fairview. You cannot ignore the facts from JOK phone indicating movement after he got out of KRs car.

 

[Forest_Wood]

I noticed that as well. Also, Judge Cannone will often chastise the defense with an " Ask it differently, Mr Jackson" statement. When defense does 'ask it differently' and re-phrases a question, then Judge usually will confront the witness on the stand herself, with a snarky, condescending, and manipulative manner...like "Is that what you heard?", or "is that how you felt?"....thereby ending the line of cross from the defense. She really is something to watch.

To me, it seems she's trying to minimize the impact of her disagreeing with the CW by not saying "overruled" and spinning it to seem like she's giving the defense a break by saying "I'll give you this one" - a psychological game to influence the jury. God forbid the jury thinks she disagrees with the CW and agrees with the defense. That sort of subtle psychological manipulation.
MOO

 

[venitak]

I can’t believe this case is being retried. I’ll admit, I’m really nervous this time around. IMO the CW seems even more shady this go around too. Especially with Hank’s obsession with ARCCA and that paid invoice. But I was so sure she would be found not guilty the first time. I’m actually kinda entertained by the Judge trying to seem more impartial this go around.

 

[iusedtofloat]

I noticed that as well. Also, Judge Cannone will often chastise the defense with an " Ask it differently, Mr Jackson" statement. When defense does 'ask it differently' and re-phrases a question, then Judge usually will confront the witness on the stand herself, with a snarky, condescending, and manipulative manner...like "Is that what you heard?", or "is that how you felt?"....thereby ending the line of cross from the defense. She really is something to watch.

don't forget the INTENSE, fed-up sigh she constantly sighs when the defense or the defense's witnesses say or do literally anything at all. and the eye rolls.

if i acted the way she did at my much-less-serious job, i'd be fired yesterday.

i think about this often - i think she gets upset whenever she sees karen have a positive reaction to things her lawyers say & do. i've considered tallying this sort of behavior during the upcoming trial. i have mixed feelings on this video bc she finally reprimands lally but BARELY. just BARELY. whereas she comes down on david & alan like nobodys business.

 

[GiveItArrest]

Yes, for the same reason that CW witnesses admitted on cross that they could not prove JOK had been hit at all. JOK’s cause of death is underdetermined. Stating someone ‘could’ have been clipped or nudged is not evidence that he was hit. Dr. Rentschler understood that it is important to stick to the facts and not overstate possibilities when there’s no conclusive proof.

Honestly, with the sheer amount of mishandling and inconsistency in this case, you and I could go back and forth on what ifs all day and keep matching each other point for point. But to me, that’s exactly the problem. It’s a sign of how muddled the investigation was. The lack of clarity and concrete evidence is what’s most telling here, IMO.

Agreed. So much mishandling and conjecture. I don’t see how a jury can decide one way or the other with any certainty

 

[nodamselindistress]

I agree there is so much reasonable doubt in this case. I think the one sticking point is the (planted) tail light pieces. I seem to recall from the last trial that most people just do not believe those pieces were planted.

 

[Forest_Wood]

don't forget the INTENSE, fed-up sigh she constantly sighs when the defense or the defense's witnesses say or do literally anything at all. and the eye rolls.

if i acted the way she did at my much-less-serious job, i'd be fired yesterday.

i think about this often - i think she gets upset whenever she sees karen have a positive reaction to things her lawyers say & do. i've considered tallying this sort of behavior during the upcoming trial. i have mixed feelings on this video bc she finally reprimands lally but BARELY. just BARELY. whereas she comes down on david & alan like nobodys business.

That clip is so funny! If looks could kill, AJ would have been arrested for the way he stared down poor unprepared Trooper Paul as he removed his things and exited the courtroom as slow as a turtle. The judge wasn't putting up with either AJ or Lally's descriptive words that day (AJ=ambush and AL=laughable). It must have been hot in the courtroom after a gruelling week for all of them late on a Friday. Her sighing is very evident and I did like seeing her chastise Lally for a change.

 

[RatFace]

I am late to the party and trying to catch up by reading articles (CNN). What is the deal with the tail light? Since they found pieces of it, did they find evidence her tail light was damaged or that she fixed it?

 

[Forest_Wood]

I am late to the party and trying to catch up by reading articles (CNN). What is the deal with the tail light? Since they found pieces of it, did they find evidence her tail light was damaged or that she fixed it?

The first trial and all the testimonies are available on Youtube. There are a lot of witnesses testifying about the state of the taillight. Short answer is some say it was cracked, some say it was missing entire pieces.