MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #20 Retrial

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Day One: One witness thanks to Jackson.

Let it go, Jackson. Not a good look beating (bullying) a witness. Try kindness. moo
The role of the defense attorney is to advocate for their client, which sometimes involves challenging witness testimony. While the process can be tough, it’s all part of ensuring a fair trial.

MOO.
 
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Brennan is alleging a significant discovery violation re ARCCA.

I didn't completely follow it, but somehow he knew calls and texts were not discovered. Now lists have been provided but not the content.

Alessi confirms texts were deleted.

This is crazy.

ETA - so this is why the Judge excluded ARCCA from Opening.

 
  • #763
I tend to agree re the jacket. Would you accurately remember jacket vs no jacket when you respond to so many incidents?

The witness better accurately remember or pass on even commenting when testifying in a criminal case like this. His misremembering has caused me to doubt everything he has to say. Unbelievable if not worse. JMOO
 
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Brennan is alleging a significant discovery violation re ARCCA.

I didn't completely follow it, but somehow he knew calls and texts were not discovered. Now lists have been provided but not the content.

Alessi confirms texts were deleted.

This is crazy.

ETA - so this is why the Judge excluded ARCCA from Opening.

The state has tried repeatedly to discredit defense evidence rather than address its substance. This latest move is no different. It’s posturing. Unless they can show that the accident reconstruction was secretly paid for or otherwise employed by the defense (which they haven’t), this is yet another procedural slap fight from Hank. MOO.
 
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Brennan is alleging a significant discovery violation re ARCCA.

I didn't completely follow it, but somehow he knew calls and texts were not discovered. Now lists have been provided but not the content.

Alessi confirms texts were deleted.

This is crazy.

ETA - so this is why the Judge excluded ARCCA from Opening.

From what I remember a few months back, Brennan knew there was more communication that hadn't been disclosed from the context of defence communications with ARCCA that were disclosed. He said more recently that if the defence were saying they no longer had them, he should be able to ask the witnesses to be told to bring them with them to court, so that when they are on the stand they don't turn around and say they don't have them to hand.
 
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It’s going to be absolutely crazy when the defense calls Proctor, make sure you have your popcorn ready to make moo
 
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From what I remember a few months back, Brennan knew there was more communication that hadn't been disclosed from the context of defence communications with ARCCA that were disclosed. He said more recently that if the defence were saying they no longer had them, he should be able to ask the witnesses to be told to bring them with them to court, so that when they are on the stand they don't turn around and say they don't have them to hand.

Yeah best I can follow, it seems from the documentary, Brennan knew there were more comms, which is why he pushed on this - so now he has finally revealed the defence deleted over 100 text messages with ARCCA

The Judge was annoyed and rightly so,

She ordered voir dire of ARCCA on friday, to get to the bottom of what the content of these texts was.
 
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What the heck does the texts of the texts mean?
 
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This witness was bad for the DA because he has no credibility; at best he was exposed as entirely unreliable. That he claimed that his memory improved from one year ago (and after he met with Brennan and Tully) hardly helps. Saying he didn't mention that he overheard Karen say "I hit him" to others is not a good luck--for him or Brennan. Why wasn't he asked on direct? The jury won't ignore how adamant he was last year about the "puffy jacket." I do think an opportunity was missed by not asking the witness if he, Brennan and Tully discussed the other/overheard "I hit him" evidence in these prep sessions where he was told to "tell the truth." Seems hard to believe this wouldn't have been brought out in direct if the prosecution knew of this.


12:43 PM · Apr 22, 2025
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The witness better accurately remember or pass on even commenting when testifying in a criminal case like this. His misremembering has caused me to doubt everything he has to say. Unbelievable if not worse. JMOO

If I couldn't remember I would just say "I don't remember"
 
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The state has tried repeatedly to discredit defense evidence rather than address its substance. This latest move is no different. It’s posturing. Unless they can show that the accident reconstruction was secretly paid for or otherwise employed by the defense (which they haven’t), this is yet another procedural slap fight from Hank. MOO.

Deleting 100 text messages is a big no no.

Clearly the Judge did not believe Alessi's explanation which was absurd. You can't do that. Especially you cannot say you've complied with discovery except for the 100 messages you secretly deleted.

Why they deleted them is the question, but it has to raise questions over the ARCAA witness relationship. Why else delete the messages.

MOO
 
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Bederow Law
@Bederowlaw


This witness was bad for the DA because he has no credibility; at best he was exposed as entirely unreliable. That he claimed that his memory improved from one year ago (and after he met with Brennan and Tully) hardly helps. Saying he didn't mention that he overheard Karen say "I hit him" to others is not a good luck--for him or Brennan. Why wasn't he asked on direct? The jury won't ignore how adamant he was last year about the "puffy jacket." I do think an opportunity was missed by not asking the witness if he, Brennan and Tully discussed the other/overheard "I hit him" evidence in these prep sessions where he was told to "tell the truth." Seems hard to believe this wouldn't have been brought out in direct if the prosecution knew of this.


12:43 PM · Apr 22, 2025
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I wonder how much this matters now given the videos. I mean the defendant needed to damage the witness for sure. But they have her admitting she said it on tape.
 
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Deleting 100 text messages is a big no no.

Clearly the Judge did not believe Alessi's explanation which was absurd. You can't do that. Especially you cannot say you've complied with discovery except for the 100 messages you secretly deleted.

Why they deleted them is the question, but it has to raise questions over the ARCAA witness relationship. Why else delete the messages.

MOO
What is arcca?
 
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The CW really, really don't want these ARCCA experts to give their evidence again! They'll try every hook and every crook to stop them from taking the stand!

JMO
 
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The CW really, really don't want these ARCCA experts to give their evidence again! They'll try every hook and every crook to stop them from taking the stand!

JMO
That of itself should make it clear the cw is desperate. JMOO
 
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Deleting 100 text messages is a big no no.

Clearly the Judge did not believe Alessi's explanation which was absurd. You can't do that. Especially you cannot say you've complied with discovery except for the 100 messages you secretly deleted.

Why they deleted them is the question, but it has to raise questions over the ARCAA witness relationship. Why else delete the messages.

MOO
Yeah, under no obligation to keep them 😆

That, after hiding that they paid them.
 
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