MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[Forest_Wood]

Yesterday’s witness is a good example why the grand jury system is a crock. Because the defendant has no active representation in the court room, lies like KerR’s are allowed to go unchallenged. Given all the corrupt circumstances around this case and many others in Norfolk County, I am shocked there are folks on this forum who believe Lally not clarifying the lie was simply an innocent oversight. This issue was a critically important point in the case. If the google search was made in the 2 o’clock hour then Karen Read never gets indicted. Ooops?

I agree. Kerry Roberts lie (or misunderstanding that was never corrected at the time) to the Grand Jury is a miscarriage of justice. She understands and articulates every question posed to her, asks for clarification when needed, is firm with her responses, etc. Jackson illustrated clearly how she deceived that GJ by claiming to have heard Karen ask JMc to make that search. Jackson also illustrated clearly how Kerry Roberts was influenced by Jenn McCabe and the discussions around the timeline they created. I have always thought of Kerry Roberts as an honest witness, but now I can't help but question her truthfulness.
MOO

 

[mrjitty]

Common sense tells me it wasn't conducted at 2am, and repeated later at 6am. The ambulance witness yesterday even confirmed that KR was asking the same question in the back of the ambulance.

MOO

Having watched back all the technical evidence it's fairly clear to me that Green simply got it wrong by claiming the 'recovered' entry was deleted.

I think Cellebrite themselves will confirm it this time at bat.

Understandably the defence sought to tentpole the case around it, but without it, they really don't have evidence of the fight in the house IMO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

If it's in their back pocket, it could be underneath them. But then I'd expect it to be reported it was in a pocket.

MOO

Good point, it could have been in his pocket and slipped out I suppose if he fell backwards, or even as the EMCs were picking him up to put him on the gurney. Although with Brennan's opening statement, he did say John had just answered a call or text as he was hit, implying his cell phone was in his hand.
MOO

 

[rrsafety]

I presume you are referring to me?

Seeing as I was not at the GJ and don't have the transcript, I have no idea what Lally knew or did not know. I think some allowance has to be made for complexity here.

It is quite possible the witness simply answered a different question than what was asked because she didn't pay attention properly. She is of course not an expert in what is hearsay and simply stated 'what happened at that point' (her words). Lally may not have been aware that she never actually heard it herself - that's a high level of detail about individual witness testimony that would be easy for him to miss.

In short it's not great but not of itself evidence of some wild conspiracy/corruption IMO

It is evidence that the DA’s office had no interest in clarifying a crucial point because clarity would have worked against their theory of the case. From the beginning, the DA made the decision that because a cop ended up dead on another cop’s lawn after a party at that house, they needed to find a culprit and if clarity needed to be waived to do so, then so be it.

 

[arielilane]

For the record and to post factual information which gets lost in this case:

-- April 2022, KerR testified in front of the grand jury… there was no 2:27 search.

-- The search wouldn't be "found" until March2023 when Richard Green misinterpreted data and assumed the timestamp was related to the search. The timestamp was instead related to the tab.

-- There would be zero reason for KerR to purposefully lie about KR asking JMc to search for hypothermia or how long it would take to die in the cold. Credit@JulieCar94

 

[detectivewannab]

It is evidence that the DA’s office had no interest in clarifying a crucial point because clarity would have worked against their theory of the case. From the beginning, the DA made the decision that because a cop ended up dead on another cop’s lawn after a party at that house, they needed to find a culprit and if clarity needed to be waived to do so, then so be it.

So everyone lied but KR? Lol

 

[arielilane]

A few things:

Defense tactics are same as first trial. Bully the witnesses...who are not on trial.
Jackson and Alessi do not need to yell.

She (KR) broke her taillight by hitting JOK at 12:30 am.
KR admits that her taillight was broken before returning to 34F at 6:00 am and finding JOK’s body under a mound of snow.

Video footage shown in court yesterday: KR comments about picking pieces off her SUV taillight that morning. She is worried about the wiring, bulb exposed and some of the red pieces.

Jackson must try to discredit KerR because the call to Kerry at 5:00 am from KR that John O'Keefe is dead is damning evidence (this is before JOK was found).

How did KR know JOK was left out in the cold all night without a coat?

moo

 

[Spectrix]

Sounds like the physics is wrong to me.

Fortunately your overwhelming belief that KR must be guilty does not defy the laws of physics.

 

[Spectrix]

I don't agree with Brennan when he's talking about consciousness of guilt because Karen removed her vehicle from John's place, which he describes as "the murder weapon".

I can't believe that Brennen stood there and made that speech with a straight face.

KR wasn't removing the "murder weapon" from the "scene"
She was collecting her things because she didn't feel welcome in John's house any longer.

JOK's house wasn't a "scene". Interesting that Brennen used that word. Was he trying to make out it was a crime scene?

 

[mrjitty]

For the record and to post factual information which gets lost in this case:

-- April 2022, KerR testified in front of the grand jury… there was no 2:27 search.

-- The search wouldn't be "found" until March2023 when Richard Green misinterpreted data and assumed the timestamp was related to the search. The timestamp was instead related to the tab.

-- There would be zero reason for KerR to purposefully lie about KR asking JMc to search for hypothermia or how long it would take to die in the cold. Credit@JulieCar94

Thanks for this.

This is what I am getting at. I think there is a big danger in over cooking fine details in the testimony to fit with some overarching theory.

The big issue is that if the 2:27am search really is just faulty analysis by Green, there really is no basis for any of the attacks on Jen Mc and KerR

They are just area mums who were thrown into a confused situation in the middle of the night and are now likely extremely angry that the defence has coordinated frankly disgraceful attacks on them via TB.

IMO one saw that anger in T1

ETA: If the 2:27 search can be stood up, then the analysis is different of course. But i think it's toast.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Judge just ruled that the video clip Brennan wanted to play yesterday CAN be played.

 

[mrjitty]

Judge just ruled that the video clip Brennan wanted to play yesterday CAN be played.

Not surprising. Admission of a party opponent exception will apply to all these IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

Fortunately your overwhelming belief that KR must be guilty does not defy the laws of physics.

I'll take transfer DNA and hair evidence over a reconstruction put together by someone without all the information. What ARCCA cannot do is say how John reacted and moved. The taillight pieces tell the story.

And so does KR, when she said he didn't look mortally wounded to her.

MOO

 

[bobbymkii]

Looks like L&C network have upgraded their trial coverage with a new camera angle... the KarenCam!

 

[arielilane]

The hostility behavior by Yannetti is uncalled for and I suspect many jurors are questioning why he would question a witness this way... witness who is EMT/firefighter. Yesterday, he harped on the “snarky” attitude.

I suspect, that defense know they are in a corner and have nothing and are reaching.

moo

 

[Angelwatch]

In the first trial, ARCCA explained the "actual physics & science" to the jury in language that was easy to understand, at least for anyone that graduated kindergarten.
They explained that JOK wasn't hit by a vehicle and that KR's SUV didn't strike a person.

JOK's body was not projected any discernable distance from an impact with a vehicle. Looking for ANY possible method that fits the narrative of KR causing JOK's death is not how evidenced-based accident investigation works.

I may have misunderstood Brennan’s opening statement, but isn’t he also saying that after what he called a clipping with the car, JOK did something with a text and then locked his phone?? And then 20 seconds later he stopped moving on the lawn. It made absolutely zero sense and I replayed it trying to figure his timeline out.

 

[Forest_Wood]

For the record and to post factual information which gets lost in this case:

-- April 2022, KerR testified in front of the grand jury… there was no 2:27 search.

-- The search wouldn't be "found" until March2023 when Richard Green misinterpreted data and assumed the timestamp was related to the search. The timestamp was instead related to the tab.

-- There would be zero reason for KerR to purposefully lie about KR asking JMc to search for hypothermia or how long it would take to die in the cold. Credit@JulieCar94

The point is Kerry Roberts said she HEARD the statement when she IN FACT did not hear the statement. She was fed that information by Jenn McCabe and she testified to having heard it herself. Anything else you're trying to feed us about that means nothing at this point.
ETA: How many other statements did she make that she did not hear herself or see herself then? Remember JMc's famous text to her group, "She's telling them EVERYTHING!"

 

[bobbymkii]

My god, Michael Camerano looks and sounds terrified!

What did he say on record that he might get impeached about later?

 

[Forest_Wood]

I am impressed by the style of questioning Brennan brings to this trial. He uses succinct wording and short questions that are straightforward so the jury can easily understand. His questioning style flows very easily IMO. He's calm in his approach to the witnesses. His accent or enunciation often needs clarification though by the witnesses, leading them to ask him to repeat himself. And then the defense comes in and hammers into the specific details just as easily. Nothing is getting by the defense in this trial it seems.
MOO

 

[Derph]

So Guarino uses Cellebrite! Hmmm, I seem to remember a big deal being made how Cellebrite was bad because it proved jen mcabe did in fact Google "hose long to die in the snow" but everyone was just supposed to ignore the data.

So Cellebrite is only OK to use and infallible ONLY when the CW wants it to work for them and it is completely unreliable whenever the CW says it's wrong, Got it!

And people wonder why we are so adamant that this entire trial is a complete joke!! Are you freakin' kidding me right now???!!!!