MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[shotgun09]

Its so early into this trial but if we use this board as a litmus test... so far ....I see another hung jury.
JMO

And, if so....the jury will definitely be polled this time. Judge Bev cannot leave it hanging in the wind again. Looks bad... Just sayin

 

[shotgun09]

ARCCA is not got rid of though are they ( did I miss it? Genuinely asking as I have not tuned in since just before Brennan finished)?

Not at all. Hank just gave it his all though to try.

 

[Linda7NJ]

AJ seemed to be refusing to look at Karen Read today, even when she talks to him. He looks very annoyed. IMO

 

[Wishbone]

AJ seemed to be refusing to look at Karen Read today, even when she talks to him. He looks very annoyed. IMO

Everyone at the defense table looked bored to me. That wiffle? testimony was never ending.JMOO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

This is my opinion only. The first trial ended in a mistrial. Many many errors were made by the CW in the first trial. Hank Brennan was hired to repair those errors. The first....IMO..was replace Lally ( what if any ? ). The second, was to get rid of the damning ARCCA guys and their testimony. The third, to repair Jen McCabe (and company's) reputation, and fourth....what to do about the slimy Michael Proctor and the heavily questionable and tainted evidence.
Also, get a new improved Trooper Paul witness.

It's all still happening, Hank. Game On.
MOO

Proctor being fired has given the defense even more ammunition. That opening statement referred to him so many times, especially since he was fired because of his behaviour on this case. The biggest wildcard here is the judge. She is so partial to the CW in my opinion. A loose Cannone, pardon the expression

 

[jepop]

Not at all. Hank just gave it his all though to try.

Good and thankyou. Personally I find it very difficult to feel any confidence when it comes to predicting the judge's rulings in this case. There's an uncertainty at every turn. When she ruled against defense investigation protocol expert for eg.

 

[jepop]

AJ is looking pretty bad today ~ Signal app

it suggests a warm friendly relationship as opposed to strictly professional.
IMO

It might but in this case it doesn't. Agree to disagree.

 

[waldojabba]

This is my opinion only. The first trial ended in a mistrial. Many many errors were made by the CW in the first trial. Hank Brennan was hired to repair those errors. The first....IMO..was replace Lally ( what if any ? ). The second, was to get rid of the damning ARCCA guys and their testimony. The third, to repair Jen McCabe (and company's) reputation, and fourth....what to do about the slimy Michael Proctor and the heavily questionable and tainted evidence.
Also, get a new improved Trooper Paul witness.

It's all still happening, Hank. Game On.
MOO

Interesting opinion - agree with all but I think Brennan's ultimate goal was to protect DA Morrissey from the blow from all that is exposed.
I dont know if the Fed investigation is over or not. With Josh Levy gone (D) MA US attrny and and (R)- Leah Foley replacing him - its really hard to say.
But the DOJ/FBI was clearly after bigger fish when they stumbled onto this case.
JMO

 

[detectivewannab]

AJ seemed to be refusing to look at Karen Read today, even when she talks to him. He looks very annoyed. IMO

I think Mr. Wolfe's testimony about them using signal is going to haunt him.

 

[waldojabba]

It might but in this case it doesn't. Agree to disagree.

I think the signal app was at a time when there was lots of trickery and hacking of communications of the attorneys on this trial - so it would make sense. Hard to say. I am neutral on it.

But I would venture to say that none of the P or D lawyers on any cases anywhere are "pure as the driven snow". They all push the line. We all know that from following cases here.

I heard Brennan "misspeak or misrepresent" today the judges order to ARCCA on what to produce - thats why the D read it out loud in their cross.

Its all in the details and what the judge allows.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Interesting opinion - agree with all but I think Brennan's ultimate goal was to protect DA Morrissey from the blow from all that is exposed.
I dont know if the Fed investigation is over or not. With Josh Levy gone (D) MA US attrny and and (R)- Leah Foley replacing him - its really hard to say.
But the DOJ/FBI was clearly after bigger fish when they stumbled onto this case.
JMO

Everything to do with Karen Read & the DOJ is over - it’s been stated for the record in open court.
IMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I’ll gladly admit I’m a little confused on the latest regarding JOK and the cell phone. Is it possible the phone may have been dropped outside? I can’t remember where it was found. Or has there already been testimony in either trial as to whether the phone remained with him the entire evening? I thought it was found in some odd location and in the fallen snow? But I might not be accurate on that. MOO

 

[DustysMom]

Wait ... if JOK, when lifted, was laying on bare ground, no snow ... then wouldn't it make sense that there was no collected snow on the lawn when he was placed there ... and therefore no footprints because ... no snow yet.
Or:
Is is possible that a small amount of accumulated snow on the ground melted under JOK while his body was still warm and that is why some are suggesting there should be disturbance and footprints leading from the house to the spot?
Just trying to figure this out ... kinda glad I'm not a juror on this case ... sheesh!

Yeah - with all of Lally’s yammering on about weather conditions in Trial 1, there was no mention of level of snowfall at say, 2,4 and 6AM. Although, if snow plow guy was out removing snow (not just prepping the streets), I could imagine an inch or 2 at least when he saw the Edge.

 

[waldojabba]

Everyone at the defense table looked bored to me. That wiffle? testimony was never ending.JMOO

I was so glad to be in the car listening while going about my day. Sitting and watching seemed like it would give me brain damage - esp that guy this morning. If he is going to be effective for the P he better boil it down and sound alot more credible- he def needs to explain it all plainly - ie " tell it to me like I'm a second grader ".
Also we have not heard from the D's experts yet so it's certainly not game set match yet. The jury will prob have to decide who is more credible.
Discarding info that doesnt fit an agenda I'm not sure works here. Anything less than a win for the P this time around is a Loss.
IMO

 

[jepop]

I think the signal app was at a time when there was lots of trickery and hacking of communications of the attorneys on this trial - so it would make sense. Hard to say. I am neutral on it.

But I would venture to say that none of the P or D lawyers on any cases anywhere are "pure as the driven snow". They all push the line. We all know that from following cases here.

I heard Brennan "misspeak or misrepresent" today the judges order to ARCCA on what to produce - thats why the D read it out loud in their cross.

Its all in the details and what the judge allows.

JMO

I agree. I have no opinion on the signal app. I can see why it might be used.Moo

My post was originally in response to OP insinuating an inappropriate friendship between Dr Wolf and AJ, based on Dr Wolfe having supposedly been been "heard" addressing AJ as "Allan". This is obviously a very long reach Imo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

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[waldojabba]

I agree. I have no opinion on the signal app. I can see why it might be used.Moo

My post was originally in response to OP insinuating an inappropriate friendship between Dr Wolf and AJ, based on Dr Wolfe having supposedly been been "heard" addressing AJ as "Allan". This is obviously a very long reach Imo.

lol yes I agree - there is no inappropriate relationship imo in the least - no smoking gun no aha moment, no back door deals - Hank tried to get blood from a stone and I think he came up empty. We will see what Judge C thinks - even with her bias( and I think she wants to protect Morrissey too) -
I dont think it effects ARRCA's ability to come in and testify for the D.
She even said to the ARCCA guy at the end - If I court order you to have the report done earlier can you?
Summer is coming and she def does not want to be waiting in that Cape traffic

IMO

 

[DustysMom]

Now he has done his own test in his own car and calls that scientific proof. Enough already. JMOO

My exact thought ! One person tests himself one time and draws a conclusion?

 

[Bethlamb16]

How many times he’s testified

You said he lied about his resume. I had not heard that and was wondering specifically what on his resume was a lie. In other words, how many times did he say he testified v. how many he actually testified?

 

[ShadyLady]

Interesting opinion - agree with all but I think Brennan's ultimate goal was to protect DA Morrissey from the blow from all that is exposed.
I dont know if the Fed investigation is over or not. With Josh Levy gone (D) MA US attrny and and (R)- Leah Foley replacing him - its really hard to say.
But the DOJ/FBI was clearly after bigger fish when they stumbled onto this case.
JMO

This is why I think there "might" be a bigger story.

JOK was working on registering sex offenders? What else? My mind wonders....just seems a little weird to me how Jen, BH and maybe CA wanted John to go over to the Albert's home.
And BH left very quickly but did not get to office till 1:30am. Where did he go? Or did it take him over an hour to get there because of the weather. Maybe.

Just so many loose ends. And the buttdials....for me it's equals reasonable doubt.