MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[rrsafety]

We use Signal when discussing issues related to federal lobbying because we don’t want government snooping. There is zero wrong with it.

 

[mrjitty]

We use Signal when discussing issues related to federal lobbying because we don’t want government snooping. There is zero wrong with it.

Sure Signal and before that Whatsapp are the back channel of business

But it is an issue for AJ because he isn't allowed to do discovery violations and hasn't told the Judge about any of these comms when he represented the relationship to the Court. He was also ordered to deliver up everything and didn't.

I am still not clear on the timing of these messages. If they are before March 2024 then that is obviously really bad.

 

[ShadyLady]

Back to timeline....where did John walk for 39 steps???

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Sure Signal and before that Whatsapp are the back channel of business

But it is an issue for AJ because he isn't allowed to do discovery violations and hasn't told the Judge about any of these comms when he represented the relationship to the Court

I am still not clear on the timing of these messages. If they are before March 2024 then that is obviously really bad.

IMO you’re overstating it. Cannone found a reciprocal discovery violation, which is a technical failure to disclose some communications. Not intentional misconduct, and not fabrication or fraud. There’s zero evidence that using Signal itself was improper. Experts originally retained by the government naturally moved into defense work when the feds backed off, but that doesn’t make the science tainted.

 

[Curiousobserver]

The defense didn’t hire ARCCA. ARCCA was hired by the FBI. The defense paid the invoice after the fact. That’s a major distinction to try to obfuscate.

ARCCA was not paid by the defense until AFTER the mistrial - another major distinction.

Using signal or similar apps is standard for professional confidentiality. Using signal is not evidence of collusion or misconduct.

If ARCCA were truly trying to hide something or engage in improper conduct, why would a reputable private company like them risk their entire reputation and credibility by making such questionable decisions? A company with a reputation to maintain wouldn’t jeopardize it over one case, especially when their analysis is under the scrutiny of the court. MOO.

That is what they want you to think. Don't look here, look over there.

Are to believe that the defense received a $24,000 invoice out of the blue, with no prior agreement and just paid it?

There is no need for an attorney to use Signal- all they need to do is mark the communication as Attorney Client Privilege and structure so its a three way conversation: Karen, her attorneys, and ARCCA. If this is so common for professional attorneys does it make sense that ARCCA had never had to use Signal before? Was this their first time working with true pros?

There was no need for them to hide any of this and ARCCA could have answered, at the first trial, "yes, the defense has provided the basic facts of this case and we discussed it with them...we are going to be compensated for our direct travel expenses"

 

[katykat]

I thought Brennan was very good and sharp. Certainly testy, but what else would you be expecting on this subject during voir dire?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wolfe has good taste in bottled water or does the court supply it?

IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

That is what they want you to think. Don't look here, look over there.

Are to believe that the defense received a $24,000 invoice out of the blue, with no prior agreement and just paid it?

There is no need for an attorney to use Signal- all they need to do is mark the communication as Attorney Client Privilege and structure so its a three way conversation: Karen, her attorneys, and ARCCA. If this is so common for professional attorneys does it make sense that ARCCA had never had to use Signal before? Was this their first time working with true pros?

There was no need for them to hide any of this and ARCCA could have answered, at the first trial, "yes, the defense has provided the basic facts of this case and we discussed it with them...we are going to be compensated for our direct travel expenses"

You’re sounding very conspiratorial right now.

“Are we to believe that the defense would just pay a $24k invoice out of the blue?”Absolutely. Professional firms like ARCCA send invoices for services rendered, and it’s entirely possible that the defense, after reviewing their qualifications and agreeing to use their expertise, paid it. The defense didn’t hire them initially, but they did pay for the work done, just as any responsible client would.

Now, as for your suggestion that this is some grand conspiracy, I say again: Why would ARCCA, a firm known for working on high-profile federal cases, risk their entire reputation over Karen Read? They have no motive to jeopardize their standing in the forensic community for this one case. The idea that they’re suddenly breaking all the rules for this is pure speculation with no evidence to back it up. Their professional credibility is far too valuable to throw away for any one trial.

So unless you have actual evidence to support this wild theory, it sounds like you’re trying to spin a conspiracy out of thin air to distract from the facts at hand.

MOO.

 

[arielilane]

Mr. Whiffin (digital intelligence expert) an excellent outstanding witness as he was in Trial One. He is a wealth of information! JMc google search did not happen at 2:27 am. Debunked. Again! He testified (his opinion based on digital forensic data analysis) google searches happened at 6:23 am and 6:24 am.


In addition, Mr. Whiffin testified that he believes a car passed by the driveway and stopped by flagpole.



Richard Green contacted IW about the 2:27 am timestamp, IW responded, and received no response back from RG.



Confirmed. JMc willingly turned over her cellphone and did not delete anything.



More damning evidence: IW totality of evidence shows JOK’s cellphone remained around the flagpole from around 12:24 am to at least 6:00 am (Jan. 29, 2022).



No surprise that US Supreme Court denied KR’s petition for certiorari (court will not review her case).


Omg, I am so impressed with ADA Brennan.

Alan’s friend Dr. Wolfe deleted 100 emails and used Signal (encrypted, auto deletes messages)

Appears to take a drink of water under pressure.

He claims he didnt attend any parties or events for KR

He claims he didnt have any contact with KR


My opinion: Judge Cannone will allow ARCCA witnesses and ADA Brennan will come with receipts (looking forward to receipts about attending events and contact w/KR)

Clearly ARCCA is not independent and it should be disclosed. They are fan boys of the defense - follow the money.

Matter of opinion

 

[ShadyLady]

Mr. Whiffin (digital intelligence expert) an excellent outstanding witness as he was in Trial One. He is a wealth of information! JMc google search did not happen at 2:27 am. Debunked. Again! He testified (his opinion based on digital forensic data analysis) google searches happened at 6:23 am and 6:24 am.


In addition, Mr. Whiffin testified that he believes a car passed by the driveway and stopped by flagpole.



Richard Green contacted IW about the 2:27 am timestamp, IW responded, and received no response back from RG.



Confirmed. JMc willingly turned over her cellphone and did not delete anything.



More damning evidence: IW totality of evidence shows JOK’s cellphone remained around the flagpole from around 12:24 am to at least 6:00 am (Jan. 29, 2022).



No surprise that US Supreme Court denied KR’s petition for certiorari (court will not review her case).


Omg, I am so impressed with ADA Brennan.

Alan’s friend Dr. Wolfe deleted 100 emails and used Signal (encrypted, auto deletes messages)

Appears to take a drink of water under pressure.

He claims he didnt attend any parties or events for KR

He claims he didnt have any contact with KR


My opinion: Judge Cannone will allow ARCCA witnesses and ADA Brennan will come with receipts (looking forward to receipts about attending events and contact w/KR)

Clearly ARCCA is not independent and it should be disclosed. They are fan boys of the defense - follow the money.

Matter of opinion

Where did JOK walk for 80 plus ft after getting out of the car?

 

[Wishbone]

I think this is how it’s supposed to work. As the CW is putting on their case you are supposed to feel confident in her guilt, then the defense goes and pokes holes in that confidence.

The way it is supposed to work is to listen to all the testimony, both sides, and evaluate it and then make determinations. JMOO

 

[Wishbone]

I’m wondering if the spoiler above the Lexus hatch would line up with John O’Keefe’s head injury?

No part of the car hit his head. JMOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

The way it is supposed to work is to listen to all the testimony, both sides, and evaluate it and then make determinations. JMOO

That’s for the jury.
I made up my mind LAST TRIAL

IMO

 

[Wishbone]

Daniel Wolfe is looking silly & acting slippery

IMO

He couldn't look silly if he tried, JMOO

 

[Madgirl83]

Just watching the documentary on Discovery+. Something seems off about her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Just watching the documentary on Discovery+. Something seems off about her.

Which one?
I only watched one- the Body in the Snow one

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Mr. Whiffin (digital intelligence expert) an excellent outstanding witness as he was in Trial One. He is a wealth of information! JMc google search did not happen at 2:27 am. Debunked. Again! He testified (his opinion based on digital forensic data analysis) google searches happened at 6:23 am and 6:24 am.


In addition, Mr. Whiffin testified that he believes a car passed by the driveway and stopped by flagpole.



Richard Green contacted IW about the 2:27 am timestamp, IW responded, and received no response back from RG.



Confirmed. JMc willingly turned over her cellphone and did not delete anything.



More damning evidence: IW totality of evidence shows JOK’s cellphone remained around the flagpole from around 12:24 am to at least 6:00 am (Jan. 29, 2022).



No surprise that US Supreme Court denied KR’s petition for certiorari (court will not review her case).


Omg, I am so impressed with ADA Brennan.

Alan’s friend Dr. Wolfe deleted 100 emails and used Signal (encrypted, auto deletes messages)

Appears to take a drink of water under pressure.

He claims he didnt attend any parties or events for KR

He claims he didnt have any contact with KR


My opinion: Judge Cannone will allow ARCCA witnesses and ADA Brennan will come with receipts (looking forward to receipts about attending events and contact w/KR)

Clearly ARCCA is not independent and it should be disclosed. They are fan boys of the defense - follow the money.

Matter of opinion

I have time, so I’ll respond to these point by point.
1) of course Whifflin says the Google search didn’t happen at 2:27. His whole timeline relies on inferences and incomplete phone data. It’s his professional opinion, not the gospel truth.
2) car stopping at the flagpole: Whifflin himself admitted that this was ambiguous. Again, ‘believed /= ‘proved’.
3) Green and IW: simply irrelevant. One investigator not following up on another’s messages doesn’t ‘prove’ anything.
4) JMC turned over her phone: IIRC, after months of delay. She had months to get rid of what she needed.
5) Flagpole location: simply doesn’t mean he was lying on the ground for 6 hours. Phones can be moved. GPS is not a heart rate monitor.
6) SCOTUS: non-point. SCOTUS denies 99% of petitions. It doesn’t review factual issues or weigh evidence. It takes constitutional questions.
7) ADA Brennan: Congrats on being impressed by an ADA badgering witnesses and trying to win by theatrics…
8) Dr Wolfe’s texts: using signal isn’t illegal. Neither is deleting communications before an order to preserve.
9: ‘Fanboys’: ARCCA wasn’t created for this trial. They’re a professional accident reconstruction firm used by the federal government. Their reputation is on the line. The idea that they would risk it all for KR is a laughable conspiracy.

All MOO.

 

[Spectrix]

That’s for the jury.
I made up my mind LAST TRIAL

That's it Linda. She's clearly guilty, isn't she? Why even bother with a trial at all?!

 

[ShadyLady]

Just watching the documentary on Discovery+. Something seems off about her.

I am objective....I dislike all the women involved in this case....all are suspect! Ha!

 

[Amber29]

The way it is supposed to work is to listen to all the testimony, both sides, and evaluate it and then make determinations. JMOO

Right but if you don’t “feel” you are leaning towards guilty during the prosecutions case in chief, they are not doing their job. That was my only point.