MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

[Soulmagent]

DBM, more research needed

We dont expect you to be better at this than they were.. we should not be left with the questions after their expert.

 

[Soulmagent]

Yes no dog anywhere - that certainly does not look suspicious (eyeroll). I think BA saiduring the first go around that Chloe must have been in the closet. He might want to clarify what closet, in what town/state, he was talking about JMO

For a while I was concerned Chloe was running up and down the entire northern seaboard. Maybe she is the New England serial killer. Who knows.

 

[jepop]

So after the judge cleared the room and brought everyone including the families back, Paul was steered in another spot. Not sure if others also moved.

Now that is interesting. Not saying at all that POK should not feel as he does about KR and express those feelings. But I felt during trial x1 that the jury should not have been subject to the very frequent occurrence of POK staring at KR and the defense table with pretty obvious contempt and hatred. Jmo

It's not POK's fault, but he is/was? sitting in direct line of sight of the jury and this is a small court room.

It seemed to me that if the judge was concerned about addressing extraneous influence or interference with the jury's peace if mind by (imo rightly) making the buffer zone around the court house, then the issue of the jury being subjected continuously to the victim's family member's negative attitude towards the defendant might also be addressed and a solution found. Jmo

I wonder if this has actually occurred? Jmo and conjecture.

 

[Teche]

Just catching up, but did JK say earlier that the Alberts left their front door UNLOCKED the night of the incident?

We never used our front door. While my family was on a summer vacation, my dad was checking on our house for us. The door was closed but wasn’t locked. I had neglected to lock the door when we hauled out the Christmas tree.
In our current house, we lock the doors at night only. We run errands and leave the doors unlocked.

 

[ShadyLady]

JMC just said she went in the house to wake Nicole after the 911 call. So why do her call logs show her calling Nicole TWICE - 1 call answered, connected for 9 seconds, deleted. Another a minute later - answered, connected, lasted 7 seconds, then deleted, around 6:07? How did the phone calls connect if Nicole was sleeping so deeply Jen had to wake her?

Jen also said she called her sister before Karen came to her house.

 

[DustysMom]

No reason to separate us.. they're my family. Possible witnesses to a death on the lawn of her brother in law, who did not come out, along with all the other stories, so many! She knows of course all people would be separate in being questioned in a possible homicide or suspicious death. She is an adult and aware of LE behavior/detective work. IMO

Add to that, JMc has many family members and friends in LE — she ought to know something about protocol.

 

[waldojabba]

Cant speculate on what you stated. I will say that the defendant is not the victim here. jmo

What I can say with certainty is that there is always collateral damage to those who loved John who by ws definition is the victim
We are witnessing it first hand as we watch how all John's loved one's react in court and as they go about their daily lives.
Rather than judging how people choose to cope I try to dig deep and afford them all just a little bit of grace. Sometimes I am more successful than others. But none of us walk in their shoes.
JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes no dog anywhere - that certainly does not look suspicious (eyeroll). I think BA saiduring the first go around that Chloe must have been in the closet. He might want to clarify what closet, in what town/state, he was talking about JMO

Why?
We know the Albert’s had her until May,

 

[Linda7NJ]

Now that is interesting. Not saying at all that POK should not feel as he does about KR and express those feelings. But I felt during trial x1 that the jury should not have been subject to the very frequent occurrence of POK staring at KR and the defense table with pretty obvious contempt and hatred. Jmo

It's not POK's fault, but he is/was? sitting in direct line of sight of the jury and this is a small court room.

It seemed to me that if the judge was concerned about addressing extraneous influence or interference with the jury's peace if mind by (imo rightly) making the buffer zone around the court house, then the issue of the jury being subjected continuously to the victim's family member's negative attitude towards the defendant might also be addressed and a solution found. Jmo

I wonder if this has actually occurred? Jmo and conjecture.

Sounds entirely plausible
IMO

 

[waldojabba]

Is this unknown law enforcement department the FBi?

Yes I think this is new ?
They approach her in the car and she claims she is not Jennifer but Nicole.
they call her when she gets in to the house identify themselves and she says give me ten minutes
In that 10 mins she calls five people - OMG the feebs are outside my house, be aware have they been to your house? keep on script.
You see she has nothing to hide, so she then lets the guys in after the husband comes home - and then pretty much asks them to leave.
Awkward at best - sketchy af is closer I imagine - For Jenn its certainly not a good look.
JMO

Doee give food for thought on who is the FBI's bigger target though

IMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

We never used our front door. While my family was on a summer vacation, my dad was checking on our house for us. The door was closed but wasn’t locked. I had neglected to lock the door when we hauled out the Christmas tree.

Brian Albert was a Boston homicide detective. Probably had more than a few dangerous felons angry with him.

It strains credulity that he lacked that level of situational awareness.

 

[waldojabba]

We never used our front door. While my family was on a summer vacation, my dad was checking on our house for us. The door was closed but wasn’t locked. I had neglected to lock the door when we hauled out the Christmas tree.
In our current house, we lock the doors at night only. We run errands and leave the doors unlocked.

Brian Albert was a big time member of LE in Boston who if I recall correctly worked on the gang/fugitive unit at one time and other high risk type operations that might have angered lots of
criminal types so not locking the door or having security cameras sounds a teeny foolish.

But, they ususally had Chloe the trained rescue police dog who would be the attack dog and alert the family to any bad operators approaching. I bet BA slept with an arsenal upstairs.
When they sent the dog off that night ( my sepculation) they just did not think to lock the door bc of "white claw" fever or something.

JMO

 

[keek]

Brian Albert was a big time member of LE in Boston who if I recall correctly worked on the gang/fugitive unit at one time and other high risk type operations that might have angered lots of
criminal types so not locking the door or having security cameras sounds a teeny foolish.

But, they ususally had Chloe the trained rescue police dog who would be the attack dog and alert the family to any bad operators approaching. I bet BA slept with an arsenal upstairs.
When they sent the dog off that night ( my sepculation) they just did not think to lock the door bc of "white claw" fever or something.

JMO

He knew what to do, period, and how to and why. This was not some regular homeowner on Fairview. Connected which we have witnessed with CPD and has worked so farrrrrr. Thought it was a no brainer, the plow must of hit him..awful. Well it wasn't was it. KR is no dummy at allllllll. CLEARLY, hence the hate for not making it easy for the ones involved nor some of JOK's relatives.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes no dog anywhere - that certainly does not look suspicious (eyeroll). I think BA saiduring the first go around that Chloe must have been in the closet. He might want to clarify what closet, in what town/state, he was talking about JMO

Chloe was removed from Albert Home in May and re-homes approximately four months after John O’Keeffe died.

'John O'Keefe and Karen Read never entered my house,' witness Brian Albert says

Brian and Nicole Albert answered questions about the atmosphere inside their home the morning John O’Keefe died.

www.boston.com

 

[keek]

We never used our front door. While my family was on a summer vacation, my dad was checking on our house for us. The door was closed but wasn’t locked. I had neglected to lock the door when we hauled out the Christmas tree.
In our current house, we lock the doors at night only. We run errands and leave the doors unlocked.

Not a good idea, you don't know who is watching, not recommended. Bad stories of such things, out for an errand and back in later and bam. Usually women of all ages.

 

[Warwick7]

JM is doing very well with AJ.

M00, I don't think she is.

 

[Warwick7]

I kinda made some phone calls. How does one "kinda" make calls? You either do or don't.

Yeah it's like saying, I'm kind of pregnant. She had a goal and that was to minimize minimize minimize.

 

[iQuill]

so ... is it possible that when BA's daughter's boyfriend picked her and Chloe up at 2:00 AM'ish ... that they went out the front door to the boyfriend's jeep and that Chloe was loose and ran to where JOK was lying in the snow and attacked him there? Just spit balling here ... my own thoughts and opinions.

 

[shotgun09]

While waiting for the return from lunch, it is apparent to me that JMC has been coached, her attitude has been refined, her tone is softer. But...
Alan Jackson is just getting started. He stunningly, and with the stealth of a wild cat just pounced on her BIG LIE to the FBI ! Brennan ( and Judge C ) were so not prepared for this one. See multiple side bahs.. and interruptions. Neither was Jen. He has only just begun.

 

[Wishbone]

so ... is it possible that when BA's daughter's boyfriend picked her and Chloe up at 2:00 AM'ish ... that they went out the front door to the boyfriend's jeep and that Chloe was loose and ran to where JOK was lying in the snow and attacked him there? Just spit balling here ... my own thoughts and opinions.

Not to minimize your thoughts or opinions, but why was the dog being removed from the house in the middle of the night to begin with? So no, I don't believe that is what happened. JMOO