MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

[Soulmagent]

I really hope this witness is finished and he doesn't come back after lunch. JMOO

I kinda hope they ask him how he can tell the 8 second call was answered and why he could not say about the 36 second call. Really I want to know why he can tell. And why can he not tell. They read the same to me.

 

[detectivewannab]

I’m probably most interested at this point in the testimony about the Lexus. The high speed reversing is very curious to me since the road is only about 32ft wide. “If” she did travel that long distance at that high reverse speed, that would seem intentional to me. Pretty unnecessary to make a simple 3 pt turn and extremely high speed to reverse. I’ve now tried to hit that speed reversing from my own house, no way. I’ve never felt that if she hit him, that it was intentional.

Or was she spinning on ice?

 

[Soulmagent]

Or was she spinning on ice?

Nope. That is not how EDR works, It was in reverse.
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[rescuemom]

Someone should have done an experiment with the phone temp on frozen ground with an 80 degree body on it. I get what Alessi is trying to do, but I think a body on top might alter the temp drop.

Someone should do a experiment with open tabs on Safari. I'm not smart enough and I have Google.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If ‘data doesn’t lie,’, and since you mention DNA… did you know there’s zero DNA from JOK on KR’s bumper or undercarriage? <modsnip: Removed personalizing comment>

Undercarriage?
No one alleged he was run over

Bumper?

Would align with his knee IMO and he was wearing pants.

IMO

 

[detectivewannab]

That rock should not be admissible. It wasn't brought up or even there for what we know in the first trial. Any anti Karen Read person could have placed it there. I'm sure people go to that location daily. The bottom line was that due to shotty police work that crime scene was never and has never been secured. The fact that the jurors saw it is unacceptable. If it was evidence and there which I highly doubt the first go around. it should have been collected.

This screams defense!

 

[rescuemom]

It’s easy to twist witnesses words and catch them off guard; however, the science and data evidence speaks for itself.

Wolfe admitted he received information about witness testimony before testifying in trial one. Testimony from Wolfe admitted to Alan's preference being to communicate through Signal. He (Wolfe) also stated not knowing that Signal app automatically deletes text. Yes, an engineer does not know this. Lol

Furthermore, apparently Alan never intended to preserve communication for discovery, as required for the case. He deliberately chose a method to hide communication, its encrypted messaging allowing for instant messaging and for voice calls, and video calls, which includes one to one users or group messaging.

Just a matter of opinion

bbm
what witness??

 

[jepop]

Wouldn't it be helpful for distance to be stated in inches and feet not meters??? and temperature to be stated in degrees not fahrenheit???? Very misleading

Obfuscating. Brennan probably should have had Whiffen do the math and elicited converted distances from him for the jury. Jmo

 

[rescuemom]

It’s pretty easy to consider cause Karen Read was drunk
IMO

Are we back to that again?? Compared to the McAlbert bunch, she readily admits her part in this.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Undercarriage?
No one alleged he was run over

Bumper?

Would align with his knee IMO and he was wearing pants.

IMO

And yet no fiber transfer if his pants hit the bumper?

 

[jepop]

Undercarriage?
No one alleged he was run over

Bumper?

Would align with his knee IMO and he was wearing pants.

IMO

The point being made is the CW did test those areas,and they found zilch/zero DNA, blood or skin (see testimony in trial 1 by relevant investigator - they swabbed the undercarriage and bumper). Which is why, imo, they are not alleging she ran him over ( plus the usual prob they have because whatever they allege his injuries do not fit etc etc etc ).

 

[jepop]

And yet no fiber transfer if his pants hit the bumper?

Another non-starter. The defense already disposed of the small, circular knee bruise last trial. I can't recall what Dr Sheridan opined but it was obvious it was unrelated to a car impact imo. I feel sure they will similarly dispose of it again this trial. Moo

 

[rescuemom]

Why is Hank badgering his own witness, he's getting mad he's not getting the answers he wants moo

He is a nasty guy whe he doesn't get his way, isn't he. Hardly a professional/

 

[Derph]

Clean-up on the witness stand, Carl please go to the witness box for a clean-up! Clean-up on the wit......

Man, this guy got absolutely smoked on the stand!! Did brennan even watch the last trial??? We still haven't heard any hard evidence about how KR murdered JOK. I don't know how the jury is getting a clear picture of anything! He's all over the place. He's spent most of his time trying to repair all of his witnesses' testimony because they are getting completely ripped apart by the Defense. Everything is choppy and hesitant. There is no flow, no cohesion. It's like hank is a water sprinkler spraying the entire lawn without getting anything getting wet. It's very hard to follow the CW's case. hank puts on a witness and bores the hell out of everyone for an hour. Then the Defense comes in a nukes the witness into oblivion. Then hank has to get up there and try to repair all the damage to his witness while being just as boring before. His little tantrums are pathetic and so transparent. If I'm on the SS Canton Prosecution, I'm searchig for my life jacket and scouting for the quickest way to get off the ship. Yikes!!

 

[rrsafety]

The most amazing thing about this case is the Commonwealth's inability to prove that JOK was even hit by a car. In the annals of Massachusetts court history, you'd be hard pressed to find another prosecuted second degree murder case - supposedly caused by a vehicle - where that basic fact can't even be established.

 

[Angelwatch]

The most amazing thing about this case is the Commonwealth's inability to prove that JOK was even hit by a car. In the annals of Massachusetts court history, you'd be hard pressed to find another prosecuted second degree murder case - supposedly caused by a vehicle - where that basic fact can't even be established.

It's absolutely nuts that not even the medical examiner will say vehicle collision.

 

[lohrtabitha]

That rock should not be admissible. It wasn't brought up or even there for what we know in the first trial. Any anti Karen Read person could have placed it there. I'm sure people go to that location daily. The bottom line was that due to shotty police work that crime scene was never and has never been secured. The fact that the jurors saw it is unacceptable. If it was evidence and there which I highly doubt the first go around. it should have been collected. MO

I would love to look at the neighbors video camera to see who placed it there.

 

[Wishbone]

oh no, he's back. Or still there. Stop the madness brennan. JMOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I find it absolutely fascinating how people can be watching the exactly same testimony and come away with completely different opinions.

 

[Wishbone]

It aligns with his opinion. And that is all it is, opinion.