MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #22 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

Karen was mixing her own drinks because the pour was weak according to her!
Karen was the one talking about needing a drink EARLY that day and wanted to go out.

IMO

But yet, Karen was the only one smart enough by wanting to go get food at CAs so they all could sober up some.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well now that we are all very familiar with her crew at the point in time , can we blame her?
I jest I jest.

I think Kerry and Jen behaved like pretty amazing friends to Karen. Now, did they jump to help HER that morning or were they both worried about John? I would think both.
No one had a bad word to say about her until she killed their friend and it became obvious.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

But yet, Karen was the only one smart enough by wanting to go get food at CAs so they all could sober up some.

Had Karen ride with Jen - it never would have happened
Imo

 

[Soulmagent]

I think Kerry and Jen behaved like pretty amazing friends to Karen. Now, did they jump to help HER that morning or were they both worried about John? I would think both.
No one had a bad word to say about her until she killed their friend and it became obvious.

IMO

I do not believe either of those people know what a good friend is ,in all honesty. If they did , wouldnt they be more gracious guest to the drunken driving people they expected to be brought to the party or house they were invited to ..Like making sure all the people who said was coming made it safe into their home?
Follow up calls , etc..
This the clue that shows -us - how screwed up they all were.

 

[Soulmagent]

I do not believe either of those people know what a good friend is ,in all honesty.

I do not believe either of those people know what a good friend is ,in all honesty. If they did , wouldnt they be more gracious guest to the drunken driving people they expected to be brought to the party or house they were invited to ..Like making sure all the people who said was coming made it safe into their home?
Follow up calls , etc..
This the clue that shows -us - how screwed up they all were. and if they were not LE they be tried at the same exact time she is being tried. It is gross and Canton should have not stood on the fork but here we are. In other worlds they call this gang activity. when it is not the cops. IMO.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I do not believe either of those people know what a good friend is ,in all honesty. If they did , wouldnt they be more gracious guest to the drunken driving people they expected to be brought to the party or house they were invited to ..Like making sure all the people who said was coming made it safe into their home?
Follow up calls , etc..
This the clue that shows -us - how screwed up they all were.

I would tend to agree. Drinking & bars haven’t been my thing since I was like 19 years old, that was long LONG ago. Frankly, I don’t understand why grown adults like to go out and drink. I’ll never understand why they drink and get behind the wheel.

IMO

 

[Derph]

That is one of the more crazy things to pretend in this trial. Like forensics dont matter at all here ? really crazy to accuse the professional's of not knowing their basic duties.

And this is just completely FALSE!!! I suggest going back to Day 12 of the 1st trial and listen to the testimony of Teri Kun. She specifically states that she didn't know where on the shirt the DNA swabs were taken from.

This was taken from Court TV's summery and Day by Day recaps. MA v. Karen Read: Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial

" A forensic scientist with a specialty in animal DNA, says she tested two swabs from a shirt and found no canine DNA – on cross defense suggests there is no insight to the swabs given to her by the Massachusetts State Police, ie she does not know what part of the shirt the DNA came from."

 

[Soulmagent]

I would tend to agree. Drinking & bars haven’t been my thing since I was like 19 years old, that was long LONG ago. Frankly, I don’t understand why grown adults like to go out and drink. I’ll never understand why they drink and get behind the wheel.

IMO

I added to a self-quote , wanted to let ya know. It doesn't effect your comment but i wanted to let ya know . I meant to just edit but I mess up sometimes.

 

[Soulmagent]

And this is just completely FALSE!!! I suggest going back to Day 12 of the 1st trial and listen to the testimony of Teri Kun. She specifically states that she didn't know where on the shirt the DNA swabs were taken from.

This was taken from Court TV's summery and Day by Day recaps. MA v. Karen Read: Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial

" A forensic scientist with a specialty in animal DNA, says she tested two swabs from a shirt and found no canine DNA – on cross defense suggests there is no insight to the swabs given to her by the Massachusetts State Police, ie she does not know what part of the shirt the DNA came from."

Why would you have me revisit a MISTRIAL? It doesnt even matter anymore. However she should be fired cuz that is just dumb.
Or maybe she did not take those samples herself?

 

[ShadyLady]

I would really like to see again where the 4 samples were taken from John's shirt.

Possible murder and only 4 samples? Each tear in shirt should have been analyzed...and wound. imo

Responding to my own comment...

Who was in charge of picking samples? Was chain of custody shown at court? Who decided where samples were taken and how many?? And samples on shoes?

 

[ShadyLady]

And this is just completely FALSE!!! I suggest going back to Day 12 of the 1st trial and listen to the testimony of Teri Kun. She specifically states that she didn't know where on the shirt the DNA swabs were taken from.

This was taken from Court TV's summery and Day by Day recaps. MA v. Karen Read: Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial

" A forensic scientist with a specialty in animal DNA, says she tested two swabs from a shirt and found no canine DNA – on cross defense suggests there is no insight to the swabs given to her by the Massachusetts State Police, ie she does not know what part of the shirt the DNA came from."

Wow thanks for that. Makes sense why no dog dna was found! Someone made sure. Dog DNA would have destroyed their whole narrative. Dog left the house that night, never to return. imo.

 

[Soulmagent]

And this is just completely FALSE!!! I suggest going back to Day 12 of the 1st trial and listen to the testimony of Teri Kun. She specifically states that she didn't know where on the shirt the DNA swabs were taken from.

This was taken from Court TV's summery and Day by Day recaps. MA v. Karen Read: Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial

" A forensic scientist with a specialty in animal DNA, says she tested two swabs from a shirt and found no canine DNA – on cross defense suggests there is no insight to the swabs given to her by the Massachusetts State Police, ie she does not know what part of the shirt the DNA came from."

It is not completely false. It is a ruse used by the CW ..deflection. Give different people different jobs so one hand does not know what the other is doing. The whole practice is deceptive. Day 12 of trial 1 does not take back the fact the JOK was not hit by KR';s Lexus.

 

[Derph]

Why would you have me revisit a MISTRIAL? It doesnt even matter anymore. However she should be fired cuz that is just dumb.
Or maybe she did not take those samples herself?

What are you even talking about here? Why should she be fired for stating a fact that she was never told where on the shirt the DNA sample swabs were taken from? You are correct she did not take the samples herself. How could she? She was sent only the 4 swabs the CW provided and sent to her. She did not have possession of the shirt.

I'm failing to see your point here. You and the poster you quoted above stated that the DNA swabs submitted to the testing lab were identified as to where on JOK's shirt they were taken from. I showed you testimony of a witness under oath that Keri Kun said the swabs weren't identified as to where on JOK's shirt the swabs were taken from. Firing someone because " that's just dumb" does not seem like a reasonable point to debate.

 

[Luna20]

I see your confusion,
The taillight break video was right as KR left back out FROM JOK's house after she went back to care for his niece , On a camera from JOK's house. There is no video from the Albert's yard. Hope that helps, and that I am remembering correct.

I’m definitely confused. When they were all around him in the snow that was at JOK house? Didn’t KR drop him off at the Albert’s?

 

[Derph]

It is not completely false. It is a ruse used by the CW ..deflection. Give different people different jobs so one hand does not know what the other is doing. The whole practice is deceptive. Day 12 of trial 1 does not take back the fact the JOK was not hit by KR';s Lexus.

We're on the same side here. Karen did NOT hit JOK. I think there is a misunderstanding here.

 

[DropthePuck]

IMO I think any honest, logical and intelligent person can reach the reasonable conclusion that KAREN READ hit him and left him to die.

I've reached the reasonable conclusion that KAREN READ did NOT hit him and leave him to die. Does that mean I'm dishonest, illogical and dumb? We all know you think she's guilty but there's no reason to insult people with a different opinion.

 

[Soulmagent]

What are you even talking about here? Why should she be fired for stating a fact that she was never told where on the shirt the DNA sample swabs were taken from? You are correct she did not take the samples herself. How could she? She was sent only the 4 swabs the CW provided and sent to her. She did not have possession of the shirt.

I'm failing to see your point here. You and the poster you quoted above stated that the DNA swabs submitted to the testing lab were identified as to where on JOK's shirt they were taken from. I showed you testimony of a witness under oath that Keri Kun said the swabs weren't identified as to where on JOK's shirt the swabs were taken from. Firing someone because " that's just dumb" does not seem like a reasonable point to debate.

I understand ,my misconceptions about her job, I had thought she was the one to decide what samples to take, she was just sent random samples . I concede , I get caught up in the court drama.

 

[keek]

I understand ,my misconceptions about her job, I had thought she was the one to decide what samples to take, she was just sent random samples . I concede , I get caught up in the court drama.

She was sent random samples from a shirt that was never in professional and proper evidence care for one. It was on the floor of a hospital, it was balled up, it was very wet per witness who did not take care of that evidence. It was left to dry for DAYS the witness said on a piece of paper. Hence, big trouble for Proctor, fired state trooper,lead so called investigator and the LE officer that also was at fault for this. Big part of the whole trial in trial one. One of them cut up a square and sent it to the lab. A shamble.

 

[Derph]

I understand ,my misconceptions about her job, I had thought she was the one to decide what samples to take, she was just sent random samples . I concede , I get caught up in the court drama.

All good. Emotions are definitely high with this case. I think all the lying and shady behavior by one side of this case has made us all a little emotional! Cheers!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Really I disagree with this. I think JOK had a ton of fault in how his peers viewed her, and that aided in their narrative . How we got here and all of that.

What do you mean, "I think JOK had a ton of fault in how his peers viewed her". Do you think he talked poorly to them all about her?