MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

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I've been looking at the drive back to Meadows.

According to the CW, the collision is at approx 12:32:09. Router connection is at 12.36 (not sure how many seconds).

So it looks like the defendant has at least 4 mins, but maybe closer to 5 to get to close enough to the house to connect.

I make the drive to be 2.3 miles for an average speed of 34.5 miles p/h for a 4 min drive (or less if its closer to 5).

In the context of a drunk driver fleeing a pedestrian strike I think that is completely feasible, and certainly not impossible. On the straights one can easily manage 70 km p/h (around 43 miles per hour)

IMO
So you think a drunk woman ran someone over, processed that instantly with 0 shock or reaction, fled the scene flawlessly in the snow without hitting anything other than John, and made a clean getaway with no panic, no hesitation, and no crash, all in 4 minutes? Because that does not sound particularly plausible to me. IMO, that premise sounds more like a modern day Agatha Christie novel. Karen must be a very talented driver!
 
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Rule 68. Arguments
(Applicable to criminal cases)

In trials of criminal cases the arguments of each party shall be limited to thirty minutes; but the court may reasonably reduce or extend the time.
https://www.mass.gov/doc/massachusetts-superior-court-rules-and-orders/download

https://www.mass.gov/rules-of-crimi...ing-statements-arguments-instructions-to-jury

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/6581942/commonwealth-v-mahar/
Counsel for the defendant had been addressing the jury in closing argument for approximately fifty-five minutes when the judge informed him that he had "exhausted” his time for argument and should "sum it up.” Counsel took an exception, argued further for approximately four minutes and concluded his summation. The defendant’s principal contention on appeal is that the judge’s action constituted "reversible error.” We conclude that in the circumstances there was no error. Cf. United States v. Stevenson, 554 F.2d 123, 126 (4th Cir. 1977). A trial judge has *876 broad discretion in limiting the time for closing argument. See Herring v. New York, 422 U.S. 853, 862 (1975). As the time consumed by defense counsel was substantial and exceeded the guideline established by Rule 68 of the Superior Court (1974), we cannot say, as matter of law, that the limitation imposed by the judge was unreasonable. Though the trial was long, the issues were not complex, and for all that appears, counsel was making uneconomical use of his time. See generally Commonwealth v. Haas, 373 Mass. 545, 557 n.11 (1977). Cases such as Commonwealth v. Bennett, ante 832 (1978), and United States v. DeLoach, 504 F.2d 185 (D.C. Cir. 1974), cert. denied, 426 U.S. 909 (1976), are inapposite, as they concern limitations on the scope of argument, not on its length. Moreover, in those cases, the trial judge prevented the defense counsel from arguing a theory essential to the defense. There was no such showing in this case. To the contrary, the record reflects that defense counsel argued (during the additional time allotted) the defenses of consent and contrivance, notwithstanding the fact that neither had an adequate factual predicate in the record.
Yes, and it's at the judge's discretion as you can read.

This judge, in all her magniminity, chose to extend by half an hour. That was clearly inadequate and a non-judicious decision in relation to the case and trial complexity. For both sides, btw. She basically cut Lally off mid point if you watch the closings. Jmo
 
  • #23
Luckily I have an appointment this morning bc after just watching 5 minutes of her bob and weave I don't think I could listen to this woman all morning - like the jury has to -
JMO
 
  • #24
Luckily I have an appointment this morning bc after just watching 5 minutes of her bob and weave I don't think I could listen to this woman all morning - like the jury has to -
JMO
AJ has done a great job of showing how antagonistic she is, as well as major inconsistencies in her various testimonies.
 
  • #25
My apologies for being late. The live stream is now at the top of the thread. You don't need to go to YouTube to watch it.
 
  • #26
If it’s going to take JMc ten minutes of back and forth to finally admit that yes, she did indeed say the exact words written on the paper in front of her eyes for every single question I’m going to open a window and flop out of it. The jury must be going nuts. She is extremely combative, it’s ridiculous.
 
  • #27
LMAO @ AJ - "You done?" after JM goes on and on and on.
 
  • #28
Can this woman not answer a damn question with a straight answer???????? My God it's like pulling teeth with a string with her!!
 
  • #29
AJ is now pointing out that JM left YET ANOTHER phone call out of her statements the morning John died.

She called Nicole Albert at 5:07 AM.
 
  • #30
AJ is now pointing out that JM left YET ANOTHER phone call out of her statements the morning John died.

She called Nicole Albert at 5:07 AM.
Jen is claiming she did not speak to her sister for 38 seconds at 5:07, and did not leave a voicemail. She cannot explain why the phone records are showing a 38 seconds connection.

Wow, Jen’s phone must be possessed!
 
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So she lied to the investigators at the scene AND to the grand jury about contacting her sister the morning John died. Her phone, according to JM, made a mystery connection during which she did not speak to Nicole, and is saying she didn’t speak to Nicole until she physically woke her up.

Got it!
 
  • #33
JM told Proctor that she had told KR to come to her house to look for John. Which devolved during trial 1 into ‘Karen just showed up hysterical at my house’. JM is now insistent she did NOT tell proctor that, even though Proctor has it written down.

AJ is dismantling every bit of JM’s credibility today.
 
  • #34
If it’s going to take JMc ten minutes of back and forth to finally admit that yes, she did indeed say the exact words written on the paper in front of her eyes for every single question I’m going to open a window and flop out of it. The jury must be going nuts. She is extremely combative, it’s ridiculous.
She’s refusing to even look at the paper. IMO she knows she’s in danger of perjuring herself.
 
  • #35
JMc is trying her hardest to remain calm and detached. LOL. I wonder if she took a valium to help her get through her testimony today. She's in slow motion. No more big smiles and trying to use her feminine charm with AJ today. She's subdued.
MOO
 
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Jen is claiming she did not speak to her sister for 38 seconds at 5:07, and did not leave a voicemail. She cannot explain why the phone records are showing a 38 seconds connection.

Wow, Jen’s phone must be possessed!
Yeah this is just stupid. Why would she be so obtuse for the heck of it and deny calls that the records tell her she made and that were answered. Why? It simply looks like she is hiding something. She loses credibility by the minute and creates more reasonable doubt for Brennan by the minute. There is something very wrong here, with this witness. One thing for sure moo, she is a bane to Brennan's case. Jmo
 
  • #37
Jackson’s cross is not a winning strategy- it’s a disaster. To put a witness through this kind of cross suspect he's losing the jury and the jury will remember Jackson grilling tactics. ADA Brennan, of course will come through on redirect. jmo


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Read Retrial:Jen McCabe one of the prosecutions star witnesses in the Karen Read trial was on the stand all day long in Dedham today grilled by defense attorney Alan Jackson over what she remembered telling investigators in the days after John O’Keefe died

 
  • #38
More inconsistencies - JM told Proctor that KR told her about her broken taillight only after the drive back to John’s place at One Meadows at 3-5pm. JM says ‘I know what that says, but I know what she told me.’ JM is now maintaining KR told her about the twilight in the morning.

This is important, because IMO, it shows Jen was aware of how the twilight became cracked (by hitting John’s car) and intentionally twisted the story.
 
  • #39
I've been looking at the drive back to Meadows.

According to the CW, the collision is at approx 12:32:09. Router connection is at 12.36 (not sure how many seconds).

So it looks like the defendant has at least 4 mins, but maybe closer to 5 to get to close enough to the house to connect.

I make the drive to be 2.3 miles for an average speed of 34.5 miles p/h for a 4 min drive (or less if its closer to 5).

In the context of a drunk driver fleeing a pedestrian strike I think that is completely feasible, and certainly not impossible. On the straights one can easily manage 70 km p/h (around 43 miles per hour)

IMO

It takes 5 min to drive 2.5 miles at 30mph in good weather conditions. The distance between 34 fairview and 1 meadows. And that is not accounting for possible stop lights or whatever might be encountered on the slick roads. Since 30 mph was used as an example in my original post, I would be surprised if the car was even being driven that fast in those conditions. And I for sure don't see 43 mph being easily managed on slick roads. JMOO
 
  • #40
If I recall correctly, JBR had a 8 inch long fracture on her skull, and no blood. However, there was blood (a lot of blood) on the ground where JOK was found. The blood was mixed into the ground/grass/earth. There are photos of the crime scene showing blood. jmo
 
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