MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[Malleeboy]

First time listening to the case, the question I have is around braking of the Lexus SUV and the cars on the road.

1) Large Lexus SUV
2) Drunk driver with therefore slowed reflexes
3) It has begun snowing, reducing grip on the road
4) Hits person at 25 mph (approx 40 km/h) at flagploe
5) At least car parked on some side of road beyond driveway
6) No noise of extreme braking was heard in house
7) Most people have

If she doesn't brake until the hit, and is so drunk, on a snowy road, then what is the braking distance to avoid the car parked past the driveway?

 

[rebelchild]

BUT I repeatedly see the same sort of comments about Karen Read here by women, in one form or another and they are seeing her in a fight for her life. Would most be so strong and full sails ahead in this?? Picked apart by the ones convinced she is guilty based on not scientific facts but the words of a person recently on the stand who has since been shown to have lied, lied to FBI, lied to the court and so on. IMO

IMO, Karen Read is the one on trial. The witnesses in this case are not on trial. They have been drug into this case for one reason or another and didn't sign up for being dragged through the mud. And just to make it clear. I do not care one bit if KR gets a spray tan or colors her hair. That has nothing to do with her guilt or innocence as far as I'm concerned. However, her own words that she has spoken on National TV is something I would listen to and form an opinion on. Again .. just my opinion

 

[Warwick7]

JO was not hit by a car on purpose or accidentally. Determined by PHD crash experts independently hired by the FBI. No skin in the game, no bias. Just honestly doing their job. JMOO

Lol!!!
What was it AJ called the fbi? Law Enforcement Agents?! Yep he did. Lol!!

 

[Forest_Wood]

First time listening to the case, the question I have is around braking of the Lexus SUV and the cars on the road.

1) Large Lexus SUV
2) Drunk driver with therefore slowed reflexes
3) It has begun snowing, reducing grip on the road
4) Hits person at 25 mph (approx 40 km/h) at flagploe
5) At least car parked on some side of road beyond driveway
6) No noise of extreme braking was heard in house
7) Most people have

If she doesn't brake until the hit, and is so drunk, on a snowy road, then what is the braking distance to avoid the car parked past the driveway?

I don't think there was a vehicle there. The 3 people who drove up behind Karen's SUV and parked behind her for up to 5 minutes testified there was no jeep between them. It was only JMc who said the jeep was there at that time.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Does the court ever release a schedule for who is testifying next ...

 

[mzmarymac]

Hey everyone! Just a Sunday night check-in after a long weekend! Over the past week or so I have randomly shown the picture of the wounds on JOKs arms to people who did NOT know anything about the KR trial or even who KR was. I asked them if it looked like the person was hit by a car and the pieces from the broken tail light scraped his arm up, or if it looked like he'd been attacked by a dog. Everyone, except for one guy, said the dog. Immediately. No question in their mind. The one that did say tail light did ultimately say that after looking more closely, it probably was a dog bit.

JMO and the O of MANY others....

EAT - Here is the picture I showed them.


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[Snoop Sister]

Hey everyone! Just a Sunday night check-in after a long weekend! Over the past week or so I have randomly shown the picture of the wounds on JOKs arms to people who did NOT know anything about the KR trial or even who KR was. I asked them if it looked like the person was hit by a car and the pieces from the broken tail light scraped his arm up, or if it looked like he'd been attacked by a dog. Everyone, except for one guy, said the dog. Immediately. No question in their mind. The one that did say tail light did ultimately say that after looking more closely, it probably was a dog bit.

JMO and the O of MANY others....

Are the pics of JO’s wounds on his arm magnified? It looked to me like they were. Just wondering…

 

[Izzylizzy]

Does the court ever release a schedule for who is testifying next ...

Not next but for reference there's this list.

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

 

[mzmarymac]

Are the pics of JO’s wounds on his arm magnified? It looked to me like they were. Just wondering…

I edited my post with the pic I showed them.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

The coming days will be interesting. JMc basically accused several cops of lying because she swears she told everyone Karen said I hit him X 3. Those people are now going to be forced to defend themselves. She is such a huge witness for the prosecution because she also swore Karen was there at 1245 which we know is not true. How will Brennan pivot? The damage she’s caused is massive against the prosecution.

 

[keek]

Hey everyone! Just a Sunday night check-in after a long weekend! Over the past week or so I have randomly shown the picture of the wounds on JOKs arms to people who did NOT know anything about the KR trial or even who KR was. I asked them if it looked like the person was hit by a car and the pieces from the broken tail light scraped his arm up, or if it looked like he'd been attacked by a dog. Everyone, except for one guy, said the dog. Immediately. No question in their mind. The one that did say tail light did ultimately say that after looking more closely, it probably was a dog bit.

JMO and the O of MANY others....

EAT - Here is the picture I showed them.

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Teeth in the middle, claws on the sides. IMO

 

[mzmarymac]

Teeth in the middle, claws on the sides. IMO

Yes - and also - teeth can scratch as well as bite.

 

[keek]

Are the pics of JO’s wounds on his arm magnified? It looked to me like they were. Just wondering…

It is the actual photo /autopsy report, on his arm. No playing with magnifying his wounds. An EMT referred to them as 'furrows'. The actual autopsy, body surface, were made public. They have been seen, this is one. IMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

I edited my post with the pic I showed them.

I just showed the pic to 3 people very quickly. Btw, they don’t know anything about this case.
One said wild dog, another said dog and the third said - lower marks look like scratches from something and the top two cuts look like knife marks or cut with something very sharp.

 

[OldCop]

This testing was at the request of and paid for by the FBI in conjunction with ANOTHER CASE prior to Trial #1.

Wonder what that other case was about?? Was it in Mass? In this county?? Who is looking over their shoulder??

They ain’t saying. Only that their investigation is complete. We don’t know if charges will be brought and, if so, against who. Speculation is that they are waiting for the completion of this trial before proceeding with theirs.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

They ain’t saying. Only that their investigation is complete. We don’t know if charges will be brought and, if so, against who. Speculation is that they are waiting for the completion of this trial before proceeding with theirs.

Similar to Proctor getting suspended after the first trial was over so as not to influence the jury.

 

[Spider92]

Teeth in the middle, claws on the sides. IMO

That makes sense. But could that have happened after JOK was unconscious in the snow?

 

[LvsAMystry]

And let’s not forget the reversed video of the Canton PD sally port and the fact that the vehicle should have been towed to a state police facility, not Canton PD. Wasn’t it amazing how so many pieces of tail light managed to stay on the vehicle while it was being towed for many miles in a raging blizzard?

Not to mention that one single hair

 

[keek]

Not to mention that one single hair

That hair. Rode on the suv for miles and miles in that snow storm.

 

[jepop]

I just showed the pic to 3 people very quickly. Btw, they don’t know anything about this case.
One said wild dog, another said dog and the third said - lower marks look like scratches from something and the top two cuts look like knife marks or cut with something very sharp.

A wild dog, wow. Base on defense introduced evidence in trial x1 that person must know something even the experts aren't able to tell from wounds alone. Jmo

The actual experts from trial x1 opined that these wounds were likely inflicted by an animal with claws and teeth and that animal was likely a large dog. Another expert, granted, with less expertise in this area than the first expert, opined the same. The ME testified she didn't know, she wasn't qualified. She exhibited no professional curiosity or independent drive to understand how these wounds fitted into the victim's manner of death. She did not seek an independent second opinion or consult a wound data base for example. Moo

In this trial the defense will be calling two experts to opine on the origin of these wounds. I believe the CW has enlisted one expert for rebuttal or possibly their case in chief.