MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[sunshineray]

There are no details of him falling or moving around badly hurt trying to get up because he wasn't hit by a car. JMOO

Considering the time lapse between when John was hit, when he was found and the weather conditions, details may have been altered with not everything preserved as it had happened. MO

 

[Bodhi]

Re: Gallagher, this guy comes off as likable, affable, even keeled. Hope the jury is paying attention to the content of his testimony- and not just his demeanor, which is not combative or defensive like many other witnesses.

Agree 100%. Competent and professional. Gallagher was excellent on the stand.

 

[detectivewannab]

Do you know how much the FBI charged Aarca?

No but the defence paid them $24,000

 

[tara83]

No but the defence paid them $24,000

You realize they made this conclusion BEFORE they were paid?

 

[sunshineray]

We?
You don't know the details because you haven't watched the trial.
The blunt force trauma to the back of JOK's head was so severe that he was rendered immediately unconscious. He wasn't "moving around a bit badly hurt". He was completely incapacitated.

The only suggestion that he was hit (once, not multiple times) is from the CW, and they have been unable to explain how he didn't sustain ANY injuries consistent with an MVA, nor have they been able to explain how KR's Lexus didn't sustain any damage consistent with running into person.

No, only KR and John know the full details, one is dead and one has lied and then changed their story dramatically. John may have been rendered unconscious at first but he could have come to, in and out of consciousness, we don't know, we'll never know, MO. There was damage to her vehicle.

 

[Warwick7]

No but the defence paid them $24,000

It's a good idea to research exactly how the ARCCA works.

Yes, they receive payment---that's how it works.

KR hired reconstructionists, and they're finally allowed to testify. They are a team of 52 experts. They are objective and were hired initially by the U.S. government.

As I said before, the annual income of the ARCCA firm would be in the millions. If you told me it was in the hundreds of millions I’d believe you. There's no way these guys are taking a quick payday to lie for KR. Putting their reputation and firm in jeopardy? Probably excluding them from ever testifying at any trial ever again? For a measly $23,000 payday no less. No.

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KR hired reconstructionists, and they're finally allowed to testify. They are a team of 52 experts. They are objective and were hired initially by the U.S. government.

As I said before, the annual income of the ARCCA firm would be in the millions. If you told me it was in the hundreds of millions I’d believe you. There's no way these guys are taking a quick payday to lie for KR. Putting their reputation and firm in jeopardy? Probably excluding them from ever testifying at any trial ever again? For a measly $23,000 (you say $24,000) payday no less. No

 

[Luna20]

What was that? Judge tells Brennan to call his next witness, he calls Katie McLaughlin, we wait a few then Judge calls for the morning break?

Such a weirdo.

 

[sunshineray]

The AARCA experts were hired by the FBI looking in to this case. IF you watched TRIAL 1 and IF you have watched TRIAL 2 so far you would be up to date and not throwing out frivolous comments.

These AARCA experts are the best of the best and have been cleared to testify again, much to the disappointment of the CW, who BTW had a choice to use them also but declined because their testimony did not and will not work for them in this sham trial. The judge....

My comments are my opinion. If you consider someone who violates a sequestration court order not to seek out other witnesses's testimony before they themselves testify being the best of the best, then we differ greatly in opinions.

As I've stated numerous time, I have read and watched (not gavel to gavel) both trials and all the circus-like atmosphere surrounding them. I've seen more than enough to form my opinion and it is AJMO.

 

[keek]

I don't think that long, long, long time group of 'family' will crack at all. It will have to be just found through all the technical evidence and the lies blown apart. Up to the jury. IMO, I do not even think Higgins will dare break and truth out, he knows better, he knows Albert.

 

[sunshineray]

I felt the same way you did, until I heard the scientific evidence from ARCCA. Once they were able to show that John’s injuries were not consistent with a vehicle strike, they lost me. Honestly, the idea of everyone colluding seemed so far-fetched to me, but I’m not so sure now. The only thing I’m certain of is that Mr. O”Keefe’s body was not struck by a vehicle.
One of my good friends knew John for a long time and said he was a great person and completely loved his niece and nephew. My heart is broken for them. It’s truly devastating that we’ll probably never know exactly what happened.

I think it's the ARCCA experts who may be untrustworthy, MO. I will never not believe KR hit John with her vehicle that night. Her words and actions have proven that for me. She should have been charged with vehicular manslaughter or negligent homicide, not 2nd degree murder. That, IMO, created this total mess of crazy conspiracy. I'm sorry for your friend, losing such a wonderful person in their life. It is a heartbreaking tragedy.

 

[Wishbone]

No, only KR and John know the full details, one is dead and one has lied and then changed their story dramatically. John may have been rendered unconscious at first but he could have come to, in and out of consciousness, we don't know, we'll never know, MO. There was damage to her vehicle.

Expert testimony by ARCCA says JO was not hit by a car.

 

[Wishbone]

I think it's the ARCCA experts who may be untrustworthy, MO. I will never not believe KR hit John with her vehicle that night. Her words and actions have proven that for me. She should have been charged with vehicular manslaughter or negligent homicide, not 2nd degree murder. That, IMO, created this total mess of crazy conspiracy. I'm sorry for your friend, losing such a wonderful person in their life. It is a heartbreaking tragedy.

The FBI hired ARCCA without defense knowledge. Fact.

 

[cocomod]

You pay someone enough they will say anything. KR said she paid them alot of money.

The FBI paid ARRCA to test a case they knew nothing about. Something that people don't understand is that the FBI only paid them to test and produce a report of their findings. They used THIS unbiased report during Trial 1. They didn't create a new report for the defense. Those that are throwing stones as if their report was bias in favor of the defense need to understand the facts. They did the report not knowing either party in this case. They weren't hired by the defense to put together a report. The CW could have used their report too as they received the same report at the same time. They are professionals and used in trials often. They have since been called to Trial 2. Interestingly enough, if the defense had hired a team, would you be complaining then? It is very usual and typical for each side to hire professionals. I find them MUCH more credible because they were hired by the freaking FBI and yet their report blows the CW's case out of the water.

One last thing about this... the FBI didn't bury their findings when it proves that Karen didn't commit this crime (or even have an accident). They provided it to both sides. IMHO, the CW is disingenuous because when they received something of this nature that proves the innocence of the defendant, they didn't even pause to investigate. They threw away the report and ignored it's findings. This is incredibly scary to me!

The bottom line in this case - I have zero feelings about KR as a person. I have watched both trials. I am intensely interested in true justice. That means, the jury starts with a position of KR is innocent. They watch and listen to the CW prove their case. If they do not prove their case, then KR is declared innocent. They do not throw in their own conjecture. They do not throw in their what ifs. They do not assume. It is 100% up to the CW to prove their case BARD. They miserably failed in trial 1 and so far in trial 2. They have not proven he was struck and killed by an automobile. The jury must at this time still be sitting that KR is innocent.

 

[geevee]

And that’s all we get! If I were Gallagher I might be tossing and turning tonight knowing AJ isn’t done with me yet.

And also he's getting no help from Brennen, not one objection throughout Jackson's obliteration of his 'investigation'.

 

[Wishbone]

Considering the time lapse between when John was hit, when he was found and the weather conditions, details may have been altered with not everything preserved as it had happened. MO

You left out the keystone cop investigation. Regardless, I believe the expert accident reconstructionist that JO was not hit by a car. JMOO

 

[DropthePuck]

I think it's the ARCCA experts who may be untrustworthy, MO. I will never not believe KR hit John with her vehicle that night. Her words and actions have proven that for me. She should have been charged with vehicular manslaughter or negligent homicide, not 2nd degree murder. That, IMO, created this total mess of crazy conspiracy. I'm sorry for your friend, losing such a wonderful person in their life. It is a heartbreaking tragedy.

Her words and actions are the ONLY evidence you're using to decide she's guilty. I certainly hope members of the jury don't feel this way, she'll never get a fair trial.

 

[Recidivist]

I think it's the ARCCA experts who may be untrustworthy, MO. I will never not believe KR hit John with her vehicle that night. Her words and actions have proven that for me. She should have been charged with vehicular manslaughter or negligent homicide, not 2nd degree murder. That, IMO, created this total mess of crazy conspiracy. I'm sorry for your friend, losing such a wonderful person in their life. It is a heartbreaking tragedy.

I'm sorry that you too lost a wonderful person in your life.

 

[mzmarymac]

Here is my top 10 reasons that convinced me of KR's innocence: (to be read in the style of David Letterman)
10.) Lucky saw no body on the lawn on first pass and then the Ford Edge on the 2nd pass at 3:30 am
9.) No salt or dirt on the taillight housing when the car had traveled on highways for miles and was towed all during a snow storm anc the rest of the car was covered in dirt and salt
8.) The reversed sallyport video
7.) The video of them leaving the bar with what appears to be BH wanting to fight JOK
6.) Deleting the phones
5.) Alberts didn't wake up and come outside-Chloe wasn't absolutely losing her mind at a woman screaming her head off out front, squad cars, ambulance, etc...nor JM bursting through the door
4.) JOKs arm injuries are absolutely from a dog attack
3.) BH going to CPD after a long day of drinking at 2:30 in the morning through a storm to do paperwork
2.) Rehoming Chloe and the house
1.) HOS LONG TO DIE IN COLD???

Any others that stand out for the rest of you?

 

[keek]

You left out the keystone cop investigation. Regardless, I believe the expert accident reconstructionist that JO was not hit by a car. JMOO

One who truly has a real interest in this case would be all over watching the first and now this trial, otherwise seems flailing around repeatedly. Long way to go so best to start asap with the first trial closely. It is an important trial more so than a tv show for entertainment purposes and uneducated in the past trial and this one seems a waste of one's time I would think, it would be for me!! IMO

 

[Warwick7]

As for ARCCA, it is a reputable firm known for its experienced and credentialed experts in accident reconstruction and other forensic fields.

Their services include vehicle reconstruction, human factors analysis, and more, aiming to determine the truth of events through scientific methods.

ARCCA's experts are often called upon by corporations, sports leagues, government agencies, and law firms.
ARCCA's experts have extensive experience and professional credentials in their respective fields, making them a trusted choice for various clients.