MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

Lt. Gallagher appears to be a very competent witness. He seems honest and forthright. I do wonder, however, why there were no reports written... Seems absolutely incompetent to me that as he is using a snow blower to uncover evidence (but does not know that it is a crime scene at the time [baffled]) no reports are written or made. I don't get that!

I'm certain that in every police academy across America, writing a police report is a textbook lesson. There is no excuse for why this didn't happen.

 

[keek]

I'm certain that in every police academy across America, writing a police report is a textbook lesson. There is no excuse for why this didn't happen.

SOOOOOO bizarre due to a man , LE, is dead on the lawn but I feel that they did think he was hit by a plow or car due to JMc's call and how it was interpreted as she wanted it to sound to the dispatchers. IMO

 

[waterslyd]

And let’s not forget the reversed video of the Canton PD sally port and the fact that the vehicle should have been towed to a state police facility, not Canton PD. Wasn’t it amazing how so many pieces of tail light managed to stay on the vehicle while it was being towed for many miles in a raging blizzard?

How could there have been taillight glass on that exact spot the next day when they used a LEAF BLOWER on the crime scene the night before????????????????

 

[SteveS]

Who decides what the facts are? The jury. That's their role.

Your explanation is on target as pertains to a court's determination, within the setting of the trial and its outcome, while the jury is sitting.

But it's overly broad.

It needs to be noted that they are the finder of facts only as pertains to that particular trial and what is alleged. In the bigger picture, the jury's vote does not determine actual facts. The truth itself (not a jury's vote on what they think to be true) is always the real fact, no matter how a jury regards it.

OTOH a jury's finding may later be voided, and their "facts" may be deemed not facts after all -- even though they decided it to be a fact in that trial, it may not have been a fact. They can be wrong due to bias, stupidity, misunderstanding, lack of adequate information, limited clarity, poor lawyering on one side or another, bad judges, and more.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think the only reason Prosecution brought the hopelessly incompetent Gallagher (only interviewed recently) into play was to admit, in spite of everything, that there were non-corrupt officers involved, not associated with the Albert clique.


Altho, AJ already got him on Proctor.

Tomorrow will be interesting

Gallagher already had testified in the 1st trial so what do you mean by (only interviewed recently)?

 

[Bodhi]

The man came off as a complete buffoon and moron to me. No report?... Check. Leaf blower on a crime scene?... .check. Solo cups and shopping bags as a solid evidence gathering tool?... check. Missing 47 pieces of tail light....check. Kevin Albert as a top cop??? Bwaaahahaaaaaaa!!! PUUUUUUUHLEAAAAAASE!!!!! The man lost his badge and gun because he was a drunken fool!!! Hell, Barney Fife would have done a better job here and I'd trust him over this idiot!! Seriously? Canton needs to get it's money back from this guy because he may be one of the worst frauds of a law enforcement officer I've ever seen!

You're misconstruing what Gallagher said. He didn't say there were no reports. Quite the contrary. Gallagher testified it is protocol for his subordinates to write reports, and they did. Following protocol is not incompetence.

You're responding to me, and I did not say Kevin Albert was a top cop. His superior testified to that. I simply asked for the source that states he was the laziest cop in the department.

Leaf blower and solo cops--thank goodness for Gallagher's ingenuity, evidence was preserved. State police collect evidence for major crimes in cities and towns. That's why town patrol cars don't have evidence collection supplies. That early morning, the state police were not responding to collect evidence during the blizzard. So Gallagher recovered the evidence in the best way possible for the conditions.

Did the officers collecting evidence know the victim had been struck by a vehicle? No.
Since you fault them for not looking for taillight fragments in a blizzard, you must agree the victim was hit by a car then. Me too!

If the cops had known the girlfriend's vehicle had a broken taillight, how would you suggest they sift through 4+ inches of snow for glass fragments during a blizzard anyway? Without improvising. It'd be like shoveling against the tide. More than four inches of snow had already fallen. Snow was falling 2 inches an hour and blowing sideways.

It's inconsistent to fault cops for not following up on the broken taillight they didn't know about yet and at the same time criticize them for preserving evidence in the only way possible. Damned either way.

All MOO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Can someone please explain to me how only these drops of blood were visible on top of the snow during a snow event? There was enough snow on the ground that they had snowplows out on the roads, They had to wipe snow away from JOK's face yet blood is visible on top of snow that has been falling and blowing around so much that they couldn't even set up a tent? So how was that blood visible?

Can someone also explain to me where all the other blood from JOK went? The medical examiner stated he was missing 3 liters of blood. Can someone tell me where it all went or is that just another one of those Canton Miracles?

Would it be the basement? I think so. I think so. Had to refloor it for the big sell.

 

[Bodhi]

I don't really care who hired them, I care about unprofessional actions violating a sequestration court order about testimony, MO.

YES!

 

[Recidivist]

If Karen did say "I hit him", I think it would be because Jen told her she did.

 

[Izzylizzy]

SOOOOOO bizarre due to a man , LE, is dead on the lawn but I feel that they did think he was hit by a plow or car due to JMc's call and how it was interpreted as she wanted it to sound to the dispatchers. IMO

Yep, JM referring to JOK as a "man" and not a Canton police officer.
AJ sure drilled her on that.

 

[Bodhi]

I don't support a LE who uses random bags and cups to store evidence and has zero notes or chain of evidence. My stepbrother is a cop and said this is the most pathetic police behavior he has ever seen.

I have siblings and cousins who are police officers in the same area. Do you realize who collects evidences of crimes for Canton and other towns? The state police. But that morning the state police told Canton they would not be responding. The blood drops would not have been collectible later. It was now or never, so he used ingenuity to preserve evidence in a way that did not compromise its integrity.

Gallagher testified that evidence is logged, controlled, and tracked. It's done with a computer track. He described exactly what Jackson referred to as an "evidence log". Gallagher didn't have access to view it because it is secured. The state police took over the case that same day, which means Gallagher had no involvement beyond that.

Police officers follow the department's protocols. Every officer does not do the same thing. It's an organized approach. Gallagher did not take notes or write reports because it was not his function. The officers who were charged with writing reports did so.

 

[tara83]

I have siblings and cousins who are police officers in the same area. Do you realize who collects evidences of crimes for Canton and other towns? The state police. But that morning the state police told Canton they would not be responding. The blood drops would not have been collectible later. It was now or never, so he used ingenuity to preserve evidence in a way that did not compromise its integrity.

Gallagher testified that evidence is logged, controlled, and tracked. It's done with a computer track. He described exactly what Jackson referred to as an "evidence log". Gallagher didn't have access to view it because it is secured. The state police took over the case that same day, which means Gallagher had no involvement beyond that.

Police officers follow the department's protocols. Every officer does not do the same thing. It's an organized approach. Gallagher did not take notes or write reports because it was not his function. was the

So you are fine with evidence being in a random bag and cups from a neighbor? My stepbrother said the very first thing he was taught was properly handling evidence so it wouldn't be tainted.

 

[lohrtabitha]

You pay someone enough they will say anything. KR said she paid them alot of money.

Not when their company reputation is on the line and being highly recommended by the FBI. AARCA is way bigger than that . Research some of their cases. It's really impressive.

 

[Bodhi]

If Karen did say "I hit him", I think it would be because Jen told her she did.

Contrary to evidence from multiple witnesses and from Karen's admissions that she said it in interviews?

 

[tara83]

Contrary to evidence from multiple witnesses and from Karen's admissions that she said it in interviews?

Like the witness who claimed she said it 3 no now it's changed to 4 times right next to a cop when the video shows the cop having zero reaction?

 

[lohrtabitha]

No but the defence paid them $24,000

Well had the prosecution chosen to use their findings too they would have shared the cost. We know the data was offered to them. So really, this is a moot point.

 

[Malleeboy]

AARCA people billed their time as salaried professionals, they just billed to time codes. The company was engaged by the FBI, they had no connection to the Defence at the time of their findings and first report.

 

[Malleeboy]

When the only witnesses to see the car outside, saw the car, after they arrived at the scene, their testimony was:
JOK was not in the passenger seat.
Light was on in the car.
He didn't cross the grass to the house.
KR has facing forward with hands on steering wheel.
At least 3 people at car, spend several minutes talking at the car but do not see JoK.
One person walks from the house to the car and back again but does not see JoK standing near the car.

They followed Read's car but still left a (slim) possibility that he went to the house before they arrived. CW has no obvious solution were a 6' 1" (185cm) is hiding, if he is standing out of the car he would be visible.

 

[Bodhi]

So you are fine with evidence being in a random bag and cups from a neighbor? My stepbrother said the very first thing he was taught was properly handling evidence so it wouldn't be tainted.

Yes because the other option was not preserving it. He got the unopened bag of cups from a superior officer who lived across the street. Is it ideal? No. But given the option of letting it go without collection, yes.

 

[lohrtabitha]

It wasn't gallagher.

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