MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[tara83]

I am well aware of that.
The FBI had the report done while looking into sketchy things with the Canton PD.
But who told the defense team that this report existed and KR case information was used?

They informed both sides to their findings.

 

[rescuemom]

It almost feels like this thread is being spammed with the repeated redundant posts. JMOO

Agree!! I've decided to scroll on by those who are second guessing facts brought forth from Trial1 and insist that the documentaries or pod casts are the gospel truth as we go through Trial 2. I don't have the time or energy to keep repeating something that will not make a difference or help those to understand. To be so adament in their thinking with so little fact or evidence is beyond me.

 

[sunshineray]

The weather as an excuse for a botched investigation and now an excuse for the cop not reacting to the supposed utterance of KR? Why not just blame the whole thing on the weather? JMOO

The weather was a main factor in all of it. If it had been Summertime JO might have been seen, saved and his story told as to what happened. MO

 

[mrjitty]

I am well aware of that.
The FBI had the report done while looking into sketchy things with the Canton PD.
But who told the defense team that this report existed and KR case information was used?

It was disclosed via a Touhy request

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Agree!! I've decided to scroll on by those who are second guessing facts brought forth from Trial1 and insist that the documentaries or pod casts are the gospel truth as we go through Trial 2. I don't have the time or energy to keep repeating something that will not make a difference or help those to understand. To be so adament in their thinking with so little fact or evidence is beyond me.

Honestly there is so little pertinent, intelligent discussion here anymore because people are beating their heads against the wall.

 

[justtrish]

So who testified that the blind study was based on true information from this case? How was that ever determined if it was a blind study and they didn’t know the victim? How did the defense find out about it?

I would think a company could be provided factual information from a specific case, but not be told it was factual info from a specific case. So they could have actual data from this case and make a determination based on that and provide it to the FBI. I would think the defense would find out about it during discovery because it was done for this case.

 

[mrjitty]

Hmmmm

Yes, people both guilty AND innocent have been convicted of crimes based on less than stellar investigations. For reasons that don't have anything to do with facts, like prejudice and bias. Does a poor investigative standard filled with bias meet the standard in BARD?

Imagine someone told you that your spouse, parent, or child had committed a terrible crime. You know this person. You've lived with them, trusted them, shared your life with them. Would you believe it just because someone like Trooper Proctor said so? I wouldn’t. I’d need to see overwhelming, unbiased evidence—proof so convincing it overcomes every doubt I have. That’s what 'beyond a reasonable doubt' means to me. This investigation wasn't just "less than stellar." It was so much worse than that.

I'd argue that evidence exists.

The tail light fragments were recovered from the crime scene by SERT. Proctor had no involvement.

This is actually why I half expect AJ to accuse Jen of planting them in closing. Proctor doesn't stack up. IMO

 

[rescuemom]

How many people have to be involved in framing someone, and that is the language the defendant and her lawyers have used, before it starts to seem quite ridiculous a concept?

Yet the defendant actually saying she hit the victim (before and while at the scene with his body) and then changing it in a documentary while her trial was happening, is thought of as not possibly being suspect? In light of her saying she was never at the house at all and then backtracking that to...oh yeah I was, did I hit him? Her honesty is not suspect?

IMO this case is a tragic and simple case of hit and run and then lying (she never went to the house at all) to try and cover it up...all during a significant snowstorm that did hamper investigations. There was no planting of evidence or conspiracy to frame her by a multitude of people. That's just a ridiculous notion. AJMO

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[arielilane]

ARCCA questionable in trial one, expert witness typically use the legal term “reasonable degree” or its of their opinion, an expert will not state something being of fact, it their professional opinion, answering with a no is suspect.

However, Wolfe is asked by the defense "in your expert opinion based on all your test is the damage to the taillight you saw consistent with striking a human head."

Wolfe: “No"

Defense "In your expert opinion is the damage to the taillight consistent striking a human arm"

Wolfe: “No"

Timestamp 29:24

Key word salad: “you saw”
Defense didnt provide full disclosure



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTh8VD3TnHQ

 

[cocomod]

"No one could put John O'Keefe in the house including Ms. Read." - Lt. Gallagher

Of course they can't place him in the house. They never investigated if he went in the house. The keystone cops chose what to do and what not to do.

 

[Forest_Wood]

There is so much misinformation out there. So glad this case is being tried in a court of law and not by the "court of public opinion”

Me too!!!!! If you are in the courtroom, you certainly are not objective and are part of the court of public opinion as guilty before even being open to all the testimony. Backwards thinking.
MOO

 

[rescuemom]

I think the importance will come in later. Snow provides an insulating factor. To accurately estimate the temp of JOK's body, one will need to include the snow accumulation in the data. His body was prone with his back to the frozen ground. His chest was exposed to the wind, at first supposedly, and then was later covered with snow. I believe the snow, the temp, and the wind are going to be used for later calculations.

I think he was found lying on his stomach. KR, KerR and JMc turned him over when they found him, IIRC

 

[Wishbone]

The weather was a main factor in all of it. If it had been Summertime JO might have been seen, saved and his story told as to what happened. MO

I doubt he would have been seen since he wasn't PLACED in the yard until much later. JMOO

 

[sunshineray]

Why do you feel like you can have it both ways? On one hand, you’re saying Katie McLaughlin is a credible witness whose memory of what Karen said is solid two years after the fact. On the other, you’re brushing off the fact that she never told anyone, never wrote it down, and never mentioned it until trial - as if that’s just normal behavior for someone who supposedly heard a murder confession?? Please.

And let’s be real: she didn’t just go to school with Caitlin. They were in the same graduating class, same size town, same age range. The idea that this was some distant acquaintance is very dishonest.

If this ‘I hit him’ statement was real and she was that sure of what she heard, why didn’t she say anything until trial? Why wasn’t it in the original reports? Why did other witnesses either retract or never corroborate it? Kerry Roberts, who was closer to the scene, backed off her claim just last week. Katie doubled down AFTER Karen was arrested and public opinion had already turned. The clear answer here is that her testimony has been contaminated.

I saw her testimony. I believe her. As far as small town, not knowing everyone at your school, you can know about someone but not be connected to them. Even if you cross paths here and there, doesn't mean they're in your normal circle of friends. Yeah I find nothing suspect about her testimony.

Everything else you mention about her testimony being contamibated is your opinion, which I very much disagree with. People are not robots and memories can be fluid without them being deceitful. MO

 

[sunshineray]

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You can easily unlike it

 

[sunshineray]

I doubt he would have been seen since he wasn't PLACED in the yard until much later. JMOO

Where's the proof of that? It's all conjecture, no substance, MO.

 

[keek]

I think he was found lying on his stomach. KR, KerR and JMc turned him over when they found him, IIRC

Never have I heard any further explanation to I believe it was Kerry's, we flipped him over. This time when asked she said he was just laying there as if he was straight out on his back she implied. Frustrating as did she flip him over from his stomach or not.

 

[Forest_Wood]

-- Opinion - all my own

Defendant apparently is a functional drinker. I still cant believe someone could drive under the influence with all that liquid in her. I recall her pushing to drink in the afternoon via text messages with John - John telling her she doesnt need to announce going for a drink. Wonder if she’s been enabled in life...

They are all functional drinkers! JOK was trying to diminish Karen when he put her diwn w thst text. He was still hungover at 15:00 hours from the night before. The pot calling the kettle black. She was asking about later that night btw. Incorrect “fact” on your part.
MOO

 

[Angelwatch]

I'd argue that evidence exists.

The tail light fragments were recovered from the crime scene by SERT.

Proctor had no involvement.

Over 43 tail light fragments were definitely recovered by someone not Trooper Proctor. Absolutely.

The timing and discovery are suspicious. It wasn't found immediately. Gallagher found clear glass but didn't find red reflective tail light? I'm not believing they were there at the time JOK's body was found.

The impounding of Karen's car included no photos to document the tail light. Her vehicle was stored in the sally port unsecured, and again, no photos to document it's condition.

Also, not a single person coming or going that night noticed 40+ pieces of reflective tail light on the ground. Snow wasn't a factor at 12:32am so they weren't hidden.

I find the tail light pieces evidence that supports a false narrative. They were planted to convict KR of a crime she didn't commit, IMO.

 

[keek]

I doubt he would have been seen since he wasn't PLACED in the yard until much later. JMOO

He was not outside on the lawn from that time of his last movements per phone or going into the Albert house. IMO