MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[mzmarymac]

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This would give KR like 4 minutes to get to JOKs house from 34F. Not very realistic.

 

[shotgun09]

By Alessi giving the drop dead/silent response and ending his cross, after Hyde stated the MSP were not adhering to Best Practices in securing JOK's phone....he scores big time. The Defense theory in this case is the lack of investigation, the pure slop of protocol . Why bother with best practices, why bother with obtaining a search warrant, why bother with interviewing witnesses properly, why bother with securing a crime scene, why bother with logging in evidence properly?
The victim was a fellow cop ! And they did as little as possible to obtain justice for his death. (Because JMC had solved it......so Michael Proctor believed.)

Bravo to Alessi for highlighting these failures once again.

 

[Izzylizzy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1920200424788758834

I was introduced to Bederow last week when Peter@LYK had him on as a guest.
Impressive to say the least.

imo

 

[chckmate22]

It seems to be kinda the same as it was back then, where certain posters are only on here to start an argument or initiate a debate into things that are almost to keep people from reading what the facts are. Disagreements are fine, but the baiting and antagonizing is not. I am 100% about different perspectives and views but some of these posters are just trying to bait for an argument, not to discuss different view points.

Really appreciate your input, and especially agree totally with your assessment of some posters. I'll even stick my neck out further and say that it seems as if there is a "tag team" effort to keep it going.

I mean that I've noticed certain member posters will be on here incessantly stirring the pot and then disappear only to be replaced by another member poster. One or two in particular but never on the same day or week. But the claims, subject and attitude is the same. AJMO.

Couldn't agree more - reminds me of Whoomp(There is is) 1993 - Tag team back again!!!

 

[rescuemom]

It is a hijab, worn by some women of Muslim faith.

I haven't seen these that cover just the head. I've seen headcoverings that also wrap around the neck and onto the shoulders. Absolutely no disrespect, just a different look I was not familiar with.

 

[sunshineray]

Ms. Hyde cannot testify as to whether JOK’s phone was stored in a faraday bag/box or airplane mode, as are best practices by her own definition.

Alessi points out that there is health data activity until noon 1/29. Hyde says it would continue to be reported because the phone was being moved.

Alessi: Howabout location data? Hyde says it’s unlikely that location data would continue to be recorded in a faraday bag or box.

There is incoming data consistent with the device not being Faraday’d, Hyde says. Including SMS and Ring notifications.

Alessi is driving home that LE did not use best practices to store John’s phone.

But she also said, in this instant/JO's phone, that nothing was wiped just added. Now he did mentioned somethings COULD have been overwritten by new data coming in but didn't specify WHAT things. Sounded like just saying it to say it, no pertinent substance. MO

 

[sunshineray]

I will say one thing - I think this is the first trial I’ve ever watched where the prosecution has waited so long to introduce the meat & potato’s of the case.

10 days with no autopsy photos, no manner of death. In the meanwhile, they’ve heard over a dozen out of context, three-second clips of Karen.

The CW is floundering. MOO.

I disagree, I think they're doing very well so far.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Well, the thing is once the autopsy photos are presented the jury is going to wonder whose dog attacked the victim.

I didn't watch the first trial so I've been doing a bit of catch-up watching the testimonies on YT.
Nicole Albert testified that she didn't get rid of her dog, she "re-homed her" to Vermont.
That is where I reside so now whenever I see a German Shepherd I'm going to say "Hi Chloe.
I'll update if need be, chuckle.

 

[chckmate22]

Great that you chimed in..thank you and consider sticking around..noticeably.
JM sounded prepared when she called 911, so calm.
We know, we know, that everyone reacts different but I would be more upset than she was if I came across a deceased stranger.
IMO

I can only give you my 30 years worth of experience and I personally have never had someone that talked in that tone with someone they know - I have on the other hand had people sound distraught and inconsolable when they in fact are the offender, but not once in my career has it been the opposite and quite frankly when LE is involved that is usually the first words out of the callers mouth - he is an officer - so that the response is what they believe is faster from PD/FD - she sounded disassociated and I could not detected an ounce of fear in her voice for a scene she came across with someone she knew and was considered a dear friend - And before the slams start coming - you learn how to disaccosciate in certain careers (like mine ) but from all I have read and seen with my own eyes she hasn't worked on one of those fields IMO

 

[Wishbone]

I will say one thing - I think this is the first trial I’ve ever watched where the prosecution has waited so long to introduce the meat & potato’s of the case.

10 days with no autopsy photos, no manner of death. In the meanwhile, they’ve heard over a dozen out of context, three-second clips of Karen.

The CW is floundering. MOO.

All very important and central to the case. Add in ARCCA. And the topper for it all will be trooper proctor. After the defense gets through with him my guess is the worst verdict would be a hung jury. JMOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

May be technical, not practical. You know the old saying "those who can't do, teach"

Also relevant to Ms Hyde: ‘If you can’t explain it to a six year old, you may not understand it yourself’

 

[texaslb218]

May be technical, not practical. You know the old saying "those who can't do, teach"

This is absolutely offensive to the professionals who give their very beings to teaching, to supporting learning.

 

[cocomod]

Did the 2:27 search happen then or later?? When I first started looking in to this case, it mattered more to me than it does now. To be honest, there is so much reasonable doubt with so many other matters, at this point it matters not to me. This is a case where multiple witnesses will say something different.

As others have mentioned, what truly sticks out to me in this case as in trial 1 and trial 2. They just plain cannot say how OJO died! So many people - who claim to be his friend - ignored him that night! The party people all did crazy butt things - like lie under oath, lie to the FBI, lie to the GJ, throw away phones, try to obscure evidence... We don't even KNOW what everyone did!

 

[justtrish]

I can only give you my 30 years worth of experience and I personally have never had someone that talked in that tone with someone they know - I have on the other hand had people sound distraught and inconsolable when they in fact are the offender, but not once in my career has it been the opposite and quite frankly when LE is involved that is usually the first words out of the callers mouth - he is an officer - so that the response is what they believe is faster from PD/FD - she sounded disassociated and I could not detected an ounce of fear in her voice for a scene she came across with someone she knew and was considered a dear friend - And before the slams start coming - you learn how to disaccosciate in certain careers (like mine ) but from all I have read and seen with my own eyes she hasn't worked on one of those fields IMO

Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights. It felt off to me, but I have nothing to compare it to other than what I think someone would do. My husband is a military police officer. Not exactly the same as civilian LE, but he's a trained LEO and first responder. I try to imagine if there was a dead body in our yard and how I would react (I know this was her sister and BIL, not her husband in the house) My first thought would be call 911 AND run to the house to get the closest LEO I know who is right inside the house. I also think it makes total sense to say the person on the lawn is a police officer.

Makes me wonder if she knew he was dead and didn't want them to know it was a LEO or if she had reason to not rush to alert her sister and BIL. Maybe she knew they already knew.

IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Great that you chimed in..thank you and consider sticking around..noticeably.
JM sounded prepared when she called 911, so calm.
We know, we know, that everyone reacts different but I would be more upset than she was if I came across a deceased stranger.
IMO

And she had called her sister threeeee times. Giving them a heads up. imo

 

[Anniesflowers]

I haven't seen these that cover just the head. I've seen headcoverings that also wrap around the neck and onto the shoulders. Absolutely no disrespect, just a different look I was not familiar with.

I didn’t read any disrespect in your question! . Yes, there are several different size veils.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I can only give you my 30 years worth of experience and I personally have never had someone that talked in that tone with someone they know - I have on the other hand had people sound distraught and inconsolable when they in fact are the offender, but not once in my career has it been the opposite and quite frankly when LE is involved that is usually the first words out of the callers mouth - he is an officer - so that the response is what they believe is faster from PD/FD - she sounded disassociated and I could not detected an ounce of fear in her voice for a scene she came across with someone she knew and was considered a dear friend - And before the slams start coming - you learn how to disaccosciate in certain careers (like mine ) but from all I have read and seen with my own eyes she hasn't worked on one of those fields IMO

What about her not immediately getting her brother-in-law who was right there in the house to administer medical attention while help was on the way?
She could have done both at the same time, on the phone with 911 as she ran into the house.

Another thing that's hard to believe is that she didn't start screaming their names as she entered the house and going up the stairs and testified 2 different stories on how she approached the bedroom that they supposedly were sleeping in.

BA & NA didn't even come out of their house.
Forget about any evidence for a moment, the Canton crew's behaviors are unfathomable.

imo

 

[chckmate22]

Thank you for sharing your experiences and insights. It felt off to me, but I have nothing to compare it to other than what I think someone would do. My husband is a military police officer. Not exactly the same as civilian LE, but he's a trained LEO and first responder. I try to imagine if there was a dead body in our yard and how I would react (I know this was her sister and BIL, not her husband in the house) My first thought would be call 911 AND run to the house to get the closest LEO I know who is right inside the house. I also think it makes total sense to say the person on the lawn is a police officer.

Makes me wonder if she knew he was dead and didn't want them to know it was a LEO or if she had reason to not rush to alert her sister and BIL. Maybe she knew they already knew.

IMO

Totally agree with you - Even myself I am so good at maintaining my calm demeanor until it is a child or someone I know and then you will hear the quiver in my voice on a call - I cant say where I work but I can say that I have had every type of call other than a plane crash (thank God) and I don't work in a small department that only gets the silly (IMO) parking complaints or loud music calls - We get it all from homicide straight to the bottom of loose dogs so I do have an extensive range of callers and how they react - IMO

 

[justtrish]

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Where does the 12:45 time that Jennifer M. sees Karen's car come from? Is that just JM's recollection of that being the time or is there some digital data point that shows that time?

So JOK was supposedly hit by the car BEFORE he walked all those steps and read a text message, but the hitting by the car is what supposedly caused him to hit his head and die? How did he walk and unlock his phone and read a text after THAT?

 

[Izzylizzy]

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