MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[jepop]

If it was only Higgins they probably would have called the cops and an ambulance. I do think Higgins was involved but they’re protecting a family member.

What would have happened if Karen had gone in the house when John didn’t come out? She would have freaked out and wanted to call 911. Would they have polished her off, too?

I haven't really applied myself to nutting out details, so I don't have a strong opinion at this point about what might have occurred other than Chloe was around and inflicted the arm wounds and JO was not struck by KR's Lexus or any other vehicle that night. Jmo

My suspicions about Higgins began with all the hullabaloo in testimony re the location of his jeep with plow attached, in conjunction with a bunch of other oddities, not the least being the denied call between him and BA at about 2.20amish that morning. I think BA has to very likely be involved as well. Jmo.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Check out the comments about Brain "Lucky" Loughran.
He's the winner according to the public jury.
imo

 

[jepop]

Is there a way to know how many witnesses the CW has left?

Idk

 

[PamCake]

Possible Theory:

When John approached the door to go inside the dog, which had been known to be aggressive and not friendly to “strangers” was either outside or laying on porch and was startled…K9 defense mode kicked in , as most all dog have (commonly known as “prey drive/defense drive”) and he showed aggression towards John which caused John to take off running, slipped fell, hit head and broke drink glass possibly falling on it causing glass to impale parts of face area ( per medical examination evidence) and in a dazed , confused manor stumbled out to yard while trying to run away, shoe (black/white sneaker) came off in the process and unfortunately John , possibly trying to run towards Karen’s vehicle pulling off down the street, fell to his final resting place….

Thoughts??

Either way, that’s one more theory that casts more reasonable doubt on the State of Mass very weak, and horribly investigated case

Can I get the defintion of theory?

I don't see any explaination that doesn't involve the dog.

Did he startle the dog?
Was the dog protecting someone?

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It also could've happened outside while the dog was going "potty". She may have attacked John as he came into the yard from the front gate. The bulkhead doors may have been opened (when opened, bulkhead doors stand upright) and John might've fallen onto the heavy metal door, causing the deep head wound that incapacitated him. He may have stumbled out, but doctors have testified that he was totally incapacitated by the blow to the head. MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Did you learn that the Albert family had gotten rid of the dog?" Jackson asked Bukhenik, who answered: "We learned that they no longer cared for the dog. I don't know if 'get rid of' is accurate."

Much of the state's case relies on pieces of taillight found near O'Keefe's body that investigators say led them to believe Read hit her boyfriend and left the scene. During his long days on the stand, Bukhenik acknowledged that most of the fragments were found days, and even weeks after the death, which Jackson said indicates Read was framed. The state maintains the taillight is evidence she reversed into him and fled the scene after an argument

https://lamag.com/news/three-weeks-into-states-case-against-karen-read-investigators-grilled-flirtations-revealed

 

[lohrtabitha]

Just watching that opening statement again and I missed this before at about 42:15. AJ said that 3 male's DNA was found on the outside of the taillight housing - JOK's and 2 other unidentified males. We already knew no DNA was found on the shards of taillight that the CW says

Maybe we need a separate list of all police failures in this case.
IMHO the police failing have been so consistent and comprehensive, that the Defence ought to be given the presumption that the most favourable reading for the Defence should be applied to all police evidence that has not been properly handled.

Body position not properly recorded
Crime scene not secured
Failure to initially properly search crime scene, then when additional evidence is found, failure at that point to do a thorough search with professional unit, but allow pieces to be discovered over long period.
No proper storage of evidence, blood evidence in solo cups and shopping bags!
SUV not photographed and not stored correctly
Police recuse themselves from interviews due to possible conflict of interest but continue to process evidence and have access to evidence
No proper photos of just above every piece of evidence
Lots of taillight shards collected but no proper chain if custody, no proper evidence logs, locations not recorded.
Shoe bag wrongly labeled, with wrong shoe and location
Garage (sallyport) video mysteriously inverted, and attempting to pass it of as correct.
Failure to collect key witness (all three in the car should have been promptly interviewed) testimony so login after the event.
Failure to take individuals to be interviewed at police station being recorded and not allowed to align accounts
Failure to search house in front of which the victim was found and to which he had been invited to an event.
Material witness (Brian Albert) continues to have access to evidence at Canton PD

Then there is Ex Trooper Proctor, lead investigator
Making lewd comments about defendant
Not recusing himself due to links to deceased and witnesses
Appearing to accept offer of a gift from witness, but instructing it be given to wife.

You need to publish this list so police stations everywhere can use it in their training of cadets. It is so ridiculous that all these failures happened. In my opinion most were intentionally planned. People think that the FBI aren't watching, but with all the police corruption that has been happening in that state, I know their watching. In Stoughton, another police officer us accused of accessing child so the Feds are on that case. It is sickening, especially what happened in the nearby Canton town to the girl who was sexually abused by 3 officers and then mat have been murdered by one. This rot, needs to be stopped and needs to be cut away. It begins with the head of the police departments and the state police. If those guys are voted in like they are in my state, then the citizens need to unite and get rid of them. MOO.

 

[Soulmagent]

Knowing that YB was the one who testified to the court that he traveled to the location of Chloe aka Cora who supposedly is now living with it's second owner, a veterinarian, I want to know how this was actually verified to the acceptance of the defense beginning with was it actually Chloe?
Then comes the DNA sample and the dog's mouth mold?

Karen Read trial: Judge OKs second dog-bite expert to testify

Another disputed expert in dog bite wounds will be permitted to testify at Karen Read's upcoming second trial.

www.wcvb.com

I believe it is the 3rd owner.
Alberts.
Riley
and the owners who have the dog now ,dont or didnt seem know they had or have the dog Alberts dog.
That is how I took the testimony. I could be mistaken. I could be wrong .

 

[lohrtabitha]

There's much speculation that the CW will not be calling Brian Higgins to testify and if not the defense most certainly will.

BH tells AG that he left the Alberts after an hour because they had no whisky and had to drink beer which he doesn't like.
He also told AG that before getting to the Waterfall he had 3-4 drinks at another bar then I gather he was drinking at the Waterfall too?
He left the Alberts to go to the police station where he had an office to do "administration work" and then at later date he added to "move vehicles", driving under the influence too.

Is that not against police policy, working and driving police vehicles under the influence?

BH changed his story on why he went to the police station throughout.


@35:00

I was also rewatching some of BH testimony from Trial 1 and he says he saw a tall, dark headed man in a sweat shirt come into 34 Fairview and then leave. Interesting huh? He said that he thought it was the brother of the girl who wanted to be picked up, but we know he didn't come in the house that night. So who was it?

 

[Spider92]

I didn’t follow the first trial and just started following this one recently, so I apologize for some of my questions, but:
1. Has Arcca testified yet in T2?
2. If yes, why were they called by the cw? I thought they had been paid, at least recently, by the defense.

I saw Daniel Wolfe on the stand recently but I’m not sure if they were replaying something from T1 or if it was some sort of pre trial hearing.
Thanks.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I was also rewatching some of BH testimony from Trial 1 and he says he saw a tall, dark headed man in a sweat shirt come into 34 Fairview and then leave. Interesting huh? He said that he thought it was the brother of the girl who wanted to be picked up, but we know he didn't come in the house that night. So who was it?

I forgot about that.
Do you remember if that came out on direct or cross and if on cross where it went?

 

[lohrtabitha]

I'm curious as to why Chloe is now with a second owner.
YB said she was not with "Riley" anymore who was said to live on a farm in Vermont and is now with a veterinarian.

Most dogs, especially one that are rescued are microchipped. The mystery of the real Chloe could be solved.

 

[lohrtabitha]

It's not a high crime area, but I live a few miles away and always lock our car doors because every few years there are kids who roam around opening unlocked car doors in the middle of the night and stealing loose change or items left in cars. They didn't break windows. Maybe the Alberts weren't concerned about that, BUT

Not locking their house? Don't believe it for a second. Brian Albert wasn't just any cop, he was the head of a Boston fugitive unit. Even starred in an episode of a TNT reality show called "Boston's Finest". The idea that someone like him wouldn't be careful about locking doors strains credulity to the breaking point. IMO.

Yep and think how many freed criminals and their family/friends hate him. He's locking those doors and loaded gun at bedside. Moo

 

[lohrtabitha]

I forgot about that.
Do you remember if that came out on direct or cross and if on cross where it went?

I have to make myself watch it again. I can't stand him or BA so I can only watch minutes at a time before my blood pressure goes up. Lol

 

[HarmonyE.]

I forgot about that.
Do you remember if that came out on direct or cross and if on cross where it went?

Higgins testified to the grand jury that he saw a tall dark haired man enter 34 Fairview that night. Jackson asked him about this testimony last trial.

Starts about 21 minutes in here. He tried to back track and say it was in reference to "somebody's brother", but Ryan Nagel never exited the vehicle he was riding in so not only did Higgins not see him enter the house, how would he have known if Ryan is tall or short at the time of that GJ testimony?

As Jackson mentioned this sighting of somone who had to have been John in his opening, expect even more to be made of this in the current trial.

Lying liars who can't stop telling lies:

 

[K9T2L]

That was the worst testimony and "performance" of a witness I've ever seen! brennan couldn't do a single damn thing about it either!! He was REEEEEAAL quiet this afternoon. He left him to flop around on the deck like some dying fish!!

The thing is that this guy is too stupid to realize that he just made himself the laughing stock of law enforcement for years! His last name will become a verb and description for every disastrous witness that ever flames out spectacularly on the stand.

Did you see that girl bukhenik on the stand today?
That dude bukheniked hard after questioning!!
I don't want to bukhenik here your Honor, but I can't answer that question truthfully!
Officer Jones, are you using the bukhenik excuse here and standing behind your statement that you handled this investigation with the utmost honesty and integrity?? Do you REALLY expect us to believe this?

The credibility of all Canton PD officers and Ma State troopers involved with and that have testified in this case ( 1st and 2nd trail) no matter what the final verdict ends up being, is SHOT, GONE!

As a veteran police officer i can unequivocally say that when an officer loses credibility, especially in the courts eyes, your time on the job is very limited. You can make mistakes, nobody is perfect and it’s kinda expected in the rookie years of policing. What the streets teach you is MUCH different than what any academy is going too…once your veracity , truthfulness , character and overall credibility is questioned , or in this case, LOST, that’s not something you can get back or be trained to recover….CREDIBILITY IS EVERYTHING! These officer, and frankly , the DAs office agents in this case that actually filed the charges without evidence to back up the elements of said crime(s) are finished , guilty verdict or not!

Embarrassing to admit I’ve spent 19 years in law enforcement with jokers like these out here killing any/all trust built..:even in Georgia where I’m an officer, all the public see and associate is the “officer” title and uniform and you’ll be automatically associated with the few bad apples

 

[mzmarymac]

Random Sunday thoughts. We have to remember that in the very early days of the investigation, no one was really paying much attention. This was a small town case, I briefly heard a bit about a crazy woman drunkenly running over her cop boyfriend and just assumed it was what it was. That is how everyone in this situation has behaved throughout. They had NO idea that this story would reach so many people outside of Canton. Think Scott Peterson. He never counted on the massive publicity and when his face was all over the news, it was only a matter of time when Amber recognized him and went to the police. Had it stayed under the radar, he may have gotten away with it. Say what you want about TB, but because of his influence, this case blew up as it did.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I didn’t follow the first trial and just started following this one recently, so I apologize for some of my questions, but:
1. Has Arcca testified yet in T2?
2. If yes, why were they called by the cw? I thought they had been paid, at least recently, by the defense.

I saw Daniel Wolfe on the stand recently but I’m not sure if they were replaying something from T1 or if it was some sort of pre trial hearing.
Thanks.

This is the Current trial.

Trail # 1, prosecution and defense witness's testimonies.
Also who the CW listed for this trial and the defense listed as witnesses.

Karen Read trial witness lists: Who’s returning, who’s new, and who’s missing?

Prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Karen Read case have submitted their witness lists. Here's who's on them.

www.boston.com

 

[K9T2L]

Maybe we need a separate list of all police failures in this case.
IMHO the police failing have been so consistent and comprehensive, that the Defence ought to be given the presumption that the most favourable reading for the Defence should be applied to all police evidence that has not been properly handled.

Body position not properly recorded
Crime scene not secured
Failure to initially properly search crime scene, then when additional evidence is found, failure at that point to do a thorough search with professional unit, but allow pieces to be discovered over long period.
No proper storage of evidence, blood evidence in solo cups and shopping bags!
SUV not photographed and not stored correctly
Police recuse themselves from interviews due to possible conflict of interest but continue to process evidence and have access to evidence
No proper photos of just above every piece of evidence
Lots of taillight shards collected but no proper chain if custody, no proper evidence logs, locations not recorded.
Shoe bag wrongly labeled, with wrong shoe and location
Garage (sallyport) video mysteriously inverted, and attempting to pass it of as correct.
Failure to collect key witness (all three in the car should have been promptly interviewed) testimony so login after the event.
Failure to take individuals to be interviewed at police station being recorded and not allowed to align accounts
Failure to search house in front of which the victim was found and to which he had been invited to an event.
Material witness (Brian Albert) continues to have access to evidence at Canton PD

Then there is Ex Trooper Proctor, lead investigator
Making lewd comments about defendant
Not recusing himself due to links to deceased and witnesses
Appearing to accept offer of a gift from witness, but instructing it be given to wife.

Maybe we need a separate list of all police failures in this case.
IMHO the police failing have been so consistent and comprehensive, that the Defence ought to be given the presumption that the most favourable reading for the Defence should be applied to all police evidence that has not been properly handled.

Body position not properly recorded
Crime scene not secured
Failure to initially properly search crime scene, then when additional evidence is found, failure at that point to do a thorough search with professional unit, but allow pieces to be discovered over long period.
No proper storage of evidence, blood evidence in solo cups and shopping bags!
SUV not photographed and not stored correctly
Police recuse themselves from interviews due to possible conflict of interest but continue to process evidence and have access to evidence
No proper photos of just above every piece of evidence
Lots of taillight shards collected but no proper chain if custody, no proper evidence logs, locations not recorded.
Shoe bag wrongly labeled, with wrong shoe and location
Garage (sallyport) video mysteriously inverted, and attempting to pass it of as correct.
Failure to collect key witness (all three in the car should have been promptly interviewed) testimony so login after the event.
Failure to take individuals to be interviewed at police station being recorded and not allowed to align accounts
Failure to search house in front of which the victim was found and to which he had been invited to an event.
Material witness (Brian Albert) continues to have access to evidence at Canton PD

Then there is Ex Trooper Proctor, lead investigator
Making lewd comments about defendant
Not recusing himself due to links to deceased and witnesses
Appearing to accept offer of a gift from witness, but instructing it be given to wife.

There’s not enough time in the day or paper in your printer to list all the absolute inexcusable errors, mistakes and intentional failures in this case. Not just the officers, more importantly even, the actually DAs office that ultimately filed the charges WITHOUT the evidence and KNOWINGLY doing so without thorough investigation, documentation , evidence collection so on and so on….

I’ve graduated from to 2 police academies, shamelessly yes, the Mass State police Academy 1st, then 4 years later the Georgia State academy where I spent my 19 year career…in BOTH academy classes , from DAY 1 it’s drilled in our heads that 1. If it isn’t documented or written down and memorialized.. IT DIDT HAPPEN! and 2. Evidence collection and preservation with date/time/ location found and description and signature of officer who collected at the MINIMUM….these are basic principles of all of law enforcement and justice system…PERIOD, FULL STOP! How anyone can file charges against ANY citizen without backing up claims with ALL evidence ( statements , witness, video physical evidence ) of ANY CRIME that’s being alleged is mind blowing!!

Sorry for long drawn out response and my venting….this is absolutely NUTS! And DOES NOT apply to 95% of good, hard working law enforcement/public safety…PROMISE!

 

[HarmonyE.]

Random Sunday thoughts. We have to remember that in the very early days of the investigation, no one was really paying much attention. This was a small town case, I briefly heard a bit about a crazy woman drunkenly running over her cop boyfriend and just assumed it was what it was. That is how everyone in this situation has behaved throughout. They had NO idea that this story would reach so many people outside of Canton. Think Scott Peterson. He never counted on the massive publicity and when his face was all over the news, it was only a matter of time when Amber recognized him and went to the police. Had it stayed under the radar, he may have gotten away with it. Say what you want about TB, but because of his influence, this case blew up as it did.

Law enforcement also did their best to poison the well very early on. A local news station reported in a broadcast that LE told them they had Ring video of Read hitting O'Keefe. And the venerated old Boston Globe repeated it.

The news station later retracted the statement, but I think anyone who saw the broadcast or read it in the Globe, assumed she was 100% guilty. I know I did.

Now why would law enforcement (Proctor?) tell that sort of blatent lie to the media?

 

[nodamselindistress]

There’s not enough time in the day or paper in your printer to list all the absolute inexcusable errors, mistakes and intentional failures in this case. Not just the officers, more importantly even, the actually DAs office that ultimately filed the charges WITHOUT the evidence and KNOWINGLY doing so without thorough investigation, documentation , evidence collection so on and so on….

I’ve graduated from to 2 police academies, shamelessly yes, the Mass State police Academy 1st, then 4 years later the Georgia State academy where I spent my 19 year career…in BOTH academy classes , from DAY 1 it’s drilled in our heads that 1. If it isn’t documented or written down and memorialized.. IT DIDT HAPPEN! and 2. Evidence collection and preservation with date/time/ location found and description and signature of officer who collected at the MINIMUM….these are basic principles of all of law enforcement and justice system…PERIOD, FULL STOP! How anyone can file charges against ANY citizen without backing up claims with ALL evidence ( statements , witness, video physical evidence ) of ANY CRIME that’s being alleged is mind blowing!!

Sorry for long drawn out response and my venting….this is absolutely NUTS! And DOES NOT apply to 95% of good, hard working law enforcement/public safety…PROMISE!

I really appreciate your perspective! Thanks for posting.