MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

But the cell phone would have started to heat up even if it was in the house for a short time. And still hard to believe a bunch of drunk cops came up with a plan like that immediately.

Oh, I have seen a lot of functioning alcoholics. Two in my own family. You would never know they had been drinking.

 

[Leilei]

Last trial IMO wasn’t presented nearly as well and there were still 9 jurors ready to convict IIRC

After this week, I can't believe anyone would say that the CW is presenting "well" in this trial.
Especially after today.
The people reporting from the courtroom are reporting that the jurors were laughing at several of the CW witnesses. How is that presenting well?
IMO.

 

[HarmonyE.]

And what was the purpose of opening two other car's doors? and putting on their lights? Very suspicious, and why lie about it?

After he moved his own car, some minutes later he came back. Probably thought his friends at Canton would loose the tape of when he came back and stayed till 1:45am and then drove off in his jeep.

Proctor did "lose" the tape. It was found buried in his investigative material by someone in LE or the CW and disclosed by Hank Brennan around December of this past year. Months after the last trial.

When Higgins testified last year he surely thought no one could question his lie about being the Canton PD middle-of-the-night parking attendant. But now, ooops, there it is.

 

[bobbymkii]

What a nightmare if we have a third trial.

MA v Karen Read III

- Karen now has 10 attorneys

- John O'Keefe's niece and nephew are both now adults and can testify in front of cameras

- Judge Beverley is somehow still the Judge in charge of this utter farce

- The CW are still excercising every hook and every crook to try and stop the ARCCA experts from testifying, while throwing their own expert opinions into the trial at the last possible minute

- Dr Scordi-Bella just doesn't care anymore. Says "No he probably wasn't killed by a car IDGAF bye" Objection-Move to strike-Sustained-Move this along please

- The middle-aged mutant Twitter Turtle(boy) is now the elderly mutant Twitter Turtle(boy)

 

[SteveS]

Not sure. I think there could be a scenario where he was "clipped", as KR worried at one point. But maybe not. The cell phone data indicates he never left the front yard. That's hard to reconcile with a fight occurring in the house.

Respectfully, the testimony did NOT indicate whether or not JOK (ie his phone) entered the house.

That was the thesis the cw wanted to show, but they only had raw numbers and biased guesses, without validation.

There was no testing/testimony to determine the temp inside the house, nor how much a phone's temp SHOULD change if he entered it. Nor was there testing to determine the actual temp outside, nor testing to determine how much it SHOULD HAVE changed if he was outside the whole time. The expert also testified that phone temp is impacted by usage -- iow it could have dropped continously because JOK wasn't using his phone after he had been killed (by whoever).

In general there's a lot of jinkiness with the phone data, when you see it showed changing altitude that could be stairs, that cw cannot account for in their bogus theory, and no location data from 12:24 to 12:36 (the supposed event time that cw is using currently - before they change it again when it doesnt add up, of course). The cw wants the phone to say way more that it does imo, and their forced conclusions are not credible.

 

[Linda7NJ]

After this week, I can't believe anyone would say that the CW is presenting "well" in this trial.
Especially after today.
The people reporting from the courtroom are reporting that the jurors were laughing at several of the CW witnesses. How is that presenting well?
IMO.

They’re were laughing when Alessi said Canton NY by mistake

IMO

 

[Leilei]

MA v Karen Read III

- Karen now has 10 attorneys

- John O'Keefe's niece and nephew are both now adults and can testify in front of cameras

- Judge Beverley is somehow still the Judge in charge of this utter farce

- The CW are still excercising every hook and every crook to try and stop the ARCCA experts from testifying, while throwing their own expert opinions into the trial at the last possible minute

- Dr Scordi-Bella just doesn't care anymore. Says "No he probably wasn't killed by a car IDGAF bye" Objection-Move to strike-Sustained-Move this along please

- The middle-aged mutant Twitter Turtle(boy) is now the elderly mutant Twitter Turtle(boy)

- Zombie Chloe is called as a witness for the defense. Proceeds to shred the Judge's robe.
- The Little Hair That Could cannot be located, as it attached itself to a passenger jet to Aruba, because why not?

 

[Leilei]

They’re were laughing when Alessi said Canton NY by mistake

IMO

Everyone was laughing at that.
Laughing at witness testimony is a whole 'nother animal.
IMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

They never matched that glass they found to a glass used at the waterfall bar. The glass they found was of no consequence.
The glass John had with him leaving the car , if he indeed had one in his hand , might still be with the Albert’s. Just another thing we will never know - if he had the glass or not. For all we know he threw it out the window on the way to the Albert’s house.
JMO

Why are we still talking about this stupid glass. The glass didn't kill JOK. We can't even find the other half of the glass. We don't know where it came from. No searches were done in the Alberts, Karen's, or even John's home to see if there was a match. It didn't match the bars glasses. Let's focus on John's body and what the experts say about what killed him. The glass is a done deal. There is nothing that can be proven about it. Moo

 

[lohrtabitha]

I'm sorry, but this trial is an absolute s***show. How in the world did they manage to do a worse job this time around than the first trial??? It is painfully obvious that the CW case is falling apart at the seems and they are just trying to stop the bleeding. Speaking of bleeding, ain't no way no how those injuries to his arm are anything other than Chloe attacking him. To me, the arm is the most important and clear cut piece of evidence in the entire trial.

That said...does anyone know whatever happened to the original whistleblower from the case that told the story about the fight, the dog, etc...

This is one thing that hasn't gotten better with age for the CW. Mo

 

[Malleeboy]

Phone evidence just showed that phones cool down in cool environments. No real testing against temp in Canton, or if it was in pocket, or was under him all night. The testing was really unscientific, no control. no proper methodology, it was at Yr 8 science project level. Cooling didn't match what the phone did in real life. Also phone temp is also effected by usage, everyone who has a phone knows that they warm when being used. No account was taken of missed phones call, both Karen and Jen called him repeatedly. Phone would be ringing and probably vibrating, which has some warming effect.

 

[Malleeboy]

Why are we still talking about this stupid glass. The glass didn't kill JOK. We can't even find the other half of the glass. We don't know where it came from. No searches were done in the Alberts, Karen's, or even John's home to see if there was a match. It didn't match the bars glasses. Let's focus on John's body and what the experts say about what killed him. The glass is a done deal. There is nothing that can be proven about it. Moo

Glass is a doubt thing. People normally don't take a glass with them into a house from a car. They are much more likely to take a glass out of a house.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Why are we still talking about this stupid glass. The glass didn't kill JOK. We can't even find the other half of the glass. We don't know where it came from. No searches were done in the Alberts, Karen's, or even John's home to see if there was a match. It didn't match the bars glasses. Let's focus on John's body and what the experts say about what killed him. The glass is a done deal. There is nothing that can be proven about it. Moo

The Commonwealth's case so far:

I hit him, I hit him, I hit him! Not recorded or reported by anyone in any report, and even Yuri B slipped up and said maybe she said "Did I hit him? Could I have hit him?" A reasonable question that I'd have likely asked as well in the panic of the moment.

And

Death by cocktail glass! Because the Canton PD found clear glass so that must be it! (Just ignore the fact they didn't see a single shard - or hunk - of bright red taillight despite searching well enough to come across some small glass pieces.)

 

[Spider92]

A couple of hours ago, I listened to the end of today’s episode of Lawyer You Know

He was talking about some huge dispute between the cw and the defense with respect to the cw’s accident reconstructionist changing his report at the last minute (like 5/8). The defense says they were ambushed and that arcca should have had that report when they wrote their own report. He played a bunch of clips of HB and one of the defense attorneys but I couldn’t hear it well enough to understand the issue. Does anybody know what that is all about? I guess they’re gonna continue to argue about it tomorrow.

 

[nightowl1975]

They’re were laughing when Alessi said Canton NY by mistake

IMO

Yeah, they laughed at this. But this is far from the only thing they’ve laughed at. JMO.

 

[HarmonyE.]

A couple of hours ago, I listened to the end of today’s episode of Lawyer You Know

He was talking about some huge dispute between the cw and the defense with respect to the cw’s accident reconstructionist changing his report at the last minute (like 5/8). The defense says they were ambushed and that arcca should have had that report when they wrote their own report. He played a bunch of clips of HB and one of the defense attorneys but I couldn’t hear it well enough to understand the issue. Does anybody know what that is all about? I guess they’re gonna continue to argue about it tomorrow.

Hank's trying to pull a fast one. He wants to be able to bring his reconstructionist in twice. Once as a direct witness for the CW, which would presumably be any day now. But then again, AFTER ARCCA testifies for the defense.

Or in the alterative, he wants the judge to keep ARCCA out. (dang, but he's persistent with this theme)

It doesn't work like that. The Commonwealth has to prove it's case. They claim Read hit the victim with her car. Go ahead and prove it with your reconstructionist. Period. If you can't do that, then you don't have a case and shouldn't be allowed to slither around with new theories based upon what ARCCA testifies to. ARCCA is functioning as a rebuttal witness to the CW's expert. It doesn't work the other way around.

Be interesting to see what the judge does but the Lawyer You Know says no way in hell should she allow it and if she does (because we know she wants to!) it would be a massive appeal issue in the event Read is convicted.

Expect her to "compromise" by giving the CW more time to prepare it's witness.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923182784782196893

 

[nightowl1975]

They were only split on Murder 2. They voted 12-0 for acquittal on the other 2. And I respectfully disagree. Lally may have been horrible, but they somehow managed to make this trial and even bigger debacle. JMO

No, they were not split on the murder 2 charge. They were split on the manslaughter charge. It was 12-0 to acquit for murder 2.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

They’re were laughing when Alessi said Canton NY by mistake

IMO

Laughing with Alessi. Laughing at Brennan. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

A couple of hours ago, I listened to the end of today’s episode of Lawyer You Know

He was talking about some huge dispute between the cw and the defense with respect to the cw’s accident reconstructionist changing his report at the last minute (like 5/8). The defense says they were ambushed and that arcca should have had that report when they wrote their own report. He played a bunch of clips of HB and one of the defense attorneys but I couldn’t hear it well enough to understand the issue. Does anybody know what that is all about? I guess they’re gonna continue to argue about it tomorrow.

A couple pages earlier I recapped it as best I could!