MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[tara83]

What I really love is the interview when KR said something like (I’m paraphrasing) “I sit there and watch the cw’s witnesses get up there on the stand and lie, and I’m like ‘I wish I could tell everybody how wrong they are’”
Uh yeah, you can - it’s called testifying in your own trial. Nobody’s stopping you.

No defense attorney on earth will tell a client to testify. Innocent or guilty you will be torn apart. And you are not allowed to use this against a defendant either.

 

[Malleeboy]

What I really love is the interview when KR said something like (I’m paraphrasing) “I sit there and watch the cw’s witnesses get up there on the stand and lie, and I’m like ‘I wish I could tell everybody how wrong they are’”
Uh yeah, you can - it’s called testifying in your own trial. Nobody’s stopping you.

Except almost virtually every Defence lawyer in ALL "common law" and "civil law" countries, would tell you not to.

In common law jurisdictions, defendants do not have to testify. The prosecution bears the burden of proof, and the defendant has the right to remain silent and not be compelled to provide evidence against themselves. This right is a fundamental principle protecting individuals from being forced to incriminate themselves.

• No Adverse Inference:
  The prosecution cannot make an adverse inference from the defendant's silence or refusal to testify.

 

[missy1974]

• 2 December 2023 – A chip-off is attempted by Maggie Gaffney in the presence of Guarino and A.G. Speake, an independent expert retained by the Commonwealth. No data was recovered from the infotainment or telematics module. (source, see footnote 1)

• 26 December 2023 – Berla releases iVe version 4.6, which adds support for Toyota and Lexus models. In total, 316 versions of 153 ECUs (Electronic Control Units) are newly covered. (source)

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RSBM



I clicked on the source, it says this:

Vehicle Lookup Accessible from Home Screen​

The vehicle lookup feature is now conveniently accessible from the home screen of the iVe Software. This addition enables quick access to determine supported ECUs and potential vehicle data.

iVe v4.6 also contains several other minor bug fixes to wrap up this release.

This tidbit makes it seem like it WAS available last year, so why didn't they do it? Is it possible it didn't work?

IIRC from Burgess' testimony, he tried this with KR's Lexus and it didn't work. It DID work in the exemplar vehicle that they bought.
He then manually removed the microSD card and somehow was able to read it? I might have to go listen to that part again, it was from yesterday. I understood that these chips are "locked" by Lexus. So.. interesting... lol

iVe Software v4.6 Release - Berla.co

iVe Software v4.6 Expands Support for Toyota and Lexus Vehicles Berla is pleased to announce the release of iVe version 4.6, which adds unprecedented support for an extensive range of Toyota and Lexus models. This widens the scope for acquiring Toyota Motor Corporation vehicles on a global...

berla.co

 

[HanniBJeter]

His credibility will be judged by the jury - I would suspect they’ll view it in context of other witnesses and their conclusions.
The evidence Karen hit him is overwhelming.

IMO

Oh yeah?…do tell

 

[Spider92]

They never should have been allowed imo, just attempted character assassination using her own words. HB may think it's a brilliant play but I thought smearing the defendant's character was off limits in trial.

That’s a good point about character assassination - I’m not sure what’s allowed in court.
I do think that the video of KR mocking Peg O’Keefe showed really poor decision making by KR:

Jury Sees Clip Of Karen Read Mocking Peggy O'Keefe

The jury was shown an interview with Karen Read where she appears to mock Peggy O'Keefe while referencing John O'Keefe's death.

www.courttv.com

When you add that to her voicemail to JOK saying something like “I’m here with your f$&@ niece and nephew and you’re blah blah blah”, maybe the cw is trying to show a pattern of agressive behavior by her towards the O’Keefe family?

 

[tara83]

That’s a good point about character assassination - I’m not sure what’s allowed in court.
I do think that the video of KR mocking Peg O’Keefe showed really poor decision making by KR:

Jury Sees Clip Of Karen Read Mocking Peggy O'Keefe

The jury was shown an interview with Karen Read where she appears to mock Peggy O'Keefe while referencing John O'Keefe's death.

www.courttv.com

When you add that to her voicemail to JOK saying something like “I’m here with your f$&@ niece and nephew and you’re blah blah blah”, maybe the cw is trying to show a pattern of agressive behavior by her towards the O’Keefe family?

The only complaint John made about Karen's treatment of the kids was that she spoiled them too much.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Hank Brennan criticizing ARCCA for deleting texts, using encrypted apps & getting a new phone carrier feels like stone throwing in a glass home. I get it’s a compelling argument about discovery and experts but the optics are…interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/1917311318857482469

Respectfully, this is nearly three weeks old and is not relevant IMO to current happenings in this trial. Unfortunately it is confusing to those trying to keep up with current trial considerations. Which includes those now underway with the prosecution and defense teams. MOO

 

[LookingForClues]

Academic integrity is taken pretty seriously, IMO. There’s really no gray area that people overlook. It’s up there with stolen valor.

And since it is acceptable to be self-made in the US, there’s no good reason to lie. People can be successful without earning college degrees. So why lie?

I agree with you. And yet, here we are, people arguing it doesn't matter that someone is fraudulently portraying their academic credentials. In addition, this so-called expert is speaking gobbledygook. And doubling down on his academic lies.

 

[missy1974]

That’s a good point about character assassination - I’m not sure what’s allowed in court.
I do think that the video of KR mocking Peg O’Keefe showed really poor decision making by KR:

Jury Sees Clip Of Karen Read Mocking Peggy O'Keefe

The jury was shown an interview with Karen Read where she appears to mock Peggy O'Keefe while referencing John O'Keefe's death.

www.courttv.com

When you add that to her voicemail to JOK saying something like “I’m here with your f$&@ niece and nephew and you’re blah blah blah”, maybe the cw is trying to show a pattern of agressive behavior by her towards the O’Keefe family?

The CW better hope that no one on that jury has ever had to deal with a 'not so nice' Mother in Law, or has no life experience with a single parent and dating, etc.

The Aruba incident, the text messages with BH, her voicemails... come off as a woman that is fed up and tired of being used as a babysitter so he can stay out drinking all night.

It is evident in all the testimony so far, booze was a big part of their lives... all of them, not just JOK and KR, that cannot be lost on the jury. JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

The only complaint John made about Karen's treatment of the kids was that she spoiled them too much.

Exactly! And those trying to make it out that Karen was abusive, I call BS. Even John's kids both stated "she never raised her hand in anger" as Yannetti put it to them. When you read her texts on the day of Jan 28, 2022 to JOK, she was nothing but empathetic towards him, affirming his value and worth, even after he said terrible things to her that morning which obviously hurt her. Karen Read was not abusive. If anyone was abusive, it was the way JOK treated KR.
MOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I feel a bit sorry for Shanon Burgess. He's like an everyday man, trying to get by in life. He seems like a nice enough chap, courteous and he hasn't become defensive throughout the past two days under Alessi's brilliant lawyering. I love his confident demeanor. I think he certainly knows his way around digital equipment. But IMO it shows he has no degree even though he has many other good skills. And because he has lied for so many years about his credentials, I don't think he can even be taken seriously now, at least in the area of forensics. I think his skills would be useful elsewhere, but never being asked to speak as an expert in court again. Maybe this will give him the push to finish that degree finally.
MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

That’s a good point about character assassination - I’m not sure what’s allowed in court.
I do think that the video of KR mocking Peg O’Keefe showed really poor decision making by KR:

Jury Sees Clip Of Karen Read Mocking Peggy O'Keefe

The jury was shown an interview with Karen Read where she appears to mock Peggy O'Keefe while referencing John O'Keefe's death.

www.courttv.com

When you add that to her voicemail to JOK saying something like “I’m here with your f$&@ niece and nephew and you’re blah blah blah”, maybe the cw is trying to show a pattern of agressive behavior by her towards the O’Keefe family?

She thought she was being cheated on by John. She's laying in his bed and he is not home. Ofcourse she's gonna fly off the handle. Any normal person would. It's called jealousy and every human on this planet experiences it. As far as her mocking Peg, Karen is hurt because everyone is pointing the finger at her and she has done nothing wrong. Moo

 

[Forest_Wood]

I do think that the video of KR mocking Peg O’Keefe showed really poor decision making by KR:

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe that's exactly how Peg OK responded to Karen that day? After I observed and heard PegOK on the stand, I could absolutely see her saying that and in that tone with facial expressions. "The image fits the woman".
MOO

 

[Malleeboy]

Can a poster explain this issue for me.

The witnesses in the Nagle car saw Karen Read's with John O'Keefe turn into Fairveiw Rd from Cedarcrest Rd, and flashed light for them to go first even though Karen read had right of way. They then pulled up behind Karen's car shortly after Karen had arrived.

So the three point turn used for the timesync in Karen's car occurred on Cedarcrest Rd before they got to the intersection?

 

[TDoc72]

Very often when you lose a loved one you tend to blame yourself for things you potentially could have done or shouldn’t have done to keep the person alive . It’s a natural reaction to the trauma.

Agree. My hubs passed 4 1/2 years ago from a knee infection that went septic. Not so much anymore, but for a long time I questioned what I should or shouldn’t have done.

I question if he ever did keep going after a year or two, we know he's a liar, he could just say he's "pursuing" and hasn't been to a class in a decade, furthermore, a lot of colleges will make you re-start your degree after a certain amount of years have passed and you haven't graduated yet

I wanted him to say when his last class was. I’m betting it wasn’t anytime recently or he would’ve mentioned it.

I know, right? Once you get beyond the whole lying on CV, and then there's the pesky bits vs. bytes, and then the slides had the wrong dates to which he stated multiple times were accurate--there's still more errors and misrepresentations. This guy's work was sloppy. I'm blown away that anyone thinks he is a credible expert.

Not having a degree didn’t bother me, although lying about that is a huge red flag. I cared more about the amount of times he made errors (or whatever he called them). They were numerous. He was supposed to be an expert and I didn’t find his work expert-like at all.

 

[Forest_Wood]

Can a poster explain this issue for me.

The witnesses in the Nagle car saw Karen Read's with John O'Keefe turn into Fairveiw Rd from Cedarcrest Rd, and flashed for them to go first even though Karen read had right of way. They then pulled up behind Karen's car shortly after Karen had arrived.

So the three point turn used for the timesync in Karen's car occurred on Cedarcrest Rd before they got to the intersection?

I think there's some confusion about when the 3-pt turn occurred. Some say it happened when she went the wrong way originally on Cedarcrest, before having to turn around and then turned right onto Fairview. She met RN and his two friends at that intersection after she turned around. There has also been talk she made the 3-pt turn in front of the house. I still don't know which one it is or if it was twice, and I don't believe the evidence is strong either way.
MOO
ETA:

This is from the PowerPoint in Mr Burgess's presentation stating the time of the 3-pt turn stating it happened at 12:23:38.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

With all the discussion about the Aperture LLC Linkedin references, it would seem relevant that according to their LinkedIn postings, ~1 week ago the Aperture Northeast Team was involved in the Massachusetts Bar Association event in Boston. Link to their Aperture LLC post on the event, posted ~1 week ago….

Aperture LLC | LinkedIn

Aperture LLC | 2,742 followers on LinkedIn. We exist to shine a light on the truth. | A national portfolio of premier forensic services companies, Aperture uses proven science and accepted industry standards to deliver accurate and efficient expert analysis.

www.linkedin.com

MOO

 

[New Penny]

Burgess is trying to garner sympathy. Saying he didn’t complete his degree because of work and family getting in the way.

Except I’m pretty sure every juror has had work and family life complicate their education or other goals. And I doubt any of them lied about completing their education due to those issues.

Onto chimp clips from Brennan…

I’m sure every juror present has had the last 2 days of this buffoon complicating their lives….and “getting in the way.”

MOO

 

[New Penny]

Those designations were put up yesterday afternoon, IIRC.
IMO.

Aperture is probably doing a deep dive on all of their “experts” as we speak.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924659562734616995

I think the fact that Brennan lied about the report is very troublesome! This CW is not truthful either. Where is the outrage that he has lied and he has asked for this report to be tweaked to match the rest of the testimony? We are talking about a woman's life here!

This is the very thing that bothers me the most about this case. We are talking about true justice and about a fair trial. Nothing about this trial has been fair - starting with the investigation that didn't look at anyone besides KR

Thank you @cocomod ….. for this timely reminder. And let us also not forget, that just yesterday during Alessi’s cross of Burgess there is that matter of the introductory note on the supplemental report Burgess presented.

That intro that had words to the effect ‘in response to your request’…. (I.e. IIUC responding to Brennan and the CW apparent request for it). And the statement in which Burgess in testimony to the court tried to discount that it was simply an oversight in copying from a prior ‘expert’ report.

And add to that apparent reports just up thread….. that IIUC supposedly Burgess called Brennan on May 7 to make mention of the completed supplement report. And there is a matter of when Brennan has acknowledged receiving the report and having been surprised by it? Perhaps on May 8?

IMO there is still a large apparent discrepancy as to who solicited the supplemental report. One hopes that is not lost on this court. And IMO this should be investigated. And perhaps Brennan, Burgess, and the CW should be questioned under oath about this matter. IANAL. MOO