MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[Warwick7]

It was instead called a General Studies major, so what?

No disrespect sunshineray, but, is there a link that his school did have a General Studies in Mathematics and Business as SB put on his record? I've googled and dug around and I can't find one.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"Either you have a bachelor of science degree or you don't," Alessi said at one point, after pointing out that in a new report Burgess wrote this month he changed the time of when the alleged "collision," which had been noted in earlier reports as an "incident," happened.

“If I did the math correctly, you've been pursuing a bachelor of science degree for 17 years, correct?” Alessi asked Burgess, as he pushed the state's expert on whether he was familiar with the terms “mendacity” and “academic dishonesty.” Alessi challenged Burgess on technical errors in his analysis, including confusion between bytes and bits in his proposal. Burgess admitted to making that error.

https://lamag.com/news/witness-for-prosecution-in-karen-read-case-lied-about-his-resume-before-taking-the-stand

 

[kuromiiiilove]

No disrespect sunshineray, but, is there a link that his school did have a General Studies in Mathematics and Business as SB put on his record? I've googled and dug around and I can't find one.

No. There’s no reason to have a General Studies degree program with a specialization - the school would just put you in an actual degree program. He’d be receiving either a ‘general studies’ degree OR a ‘Mathematics in Business’ degree. He’s not even a very good liar, MOO

 

[sunshineray]

Pursuing what? the University doesn't even offer the degree program. So what exactly was he pursuing?

It was a General Studies major that he called a General Sciences, with Minors in Mathematics and Business Administration...maybe because most of his general studies classes that he was choosing (after taking the required ones) were all science related?

Idk but in my experience, real techy and mathematical people, can sometimes be lacking in social media attentiveness or even participation. He may have thought he was going to finish his education and then was sidetracked or just thought why bother since my job is educating me for my job, as I go...that's all I need to think about now.

I still want to know, was his analysis of the data on the two events, the 3-point turn and backup, incorrect? If he got it right, what difference does his online snafus/lack of online updating make to the end picture of what KR's vehicle did in relation to what JO's iPhone did? Is Burgess's analysis correct?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924872521280553248

 

[lohrtabitha]

There was no collision history in Karen’s Lexus, PERIOD. In her entire 8 months of owning the car - including the night John died.

And Ladies and Gentleman, there you have it, as the case has been solved with Karen Read's Lexus NOT HITTING JOK!!!!!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Read’s SUV registered an “event” within two minutes of O’Keefe’s phone being locked.

It would support the prosecution’s theory that read hit O’Keefe, knocked him to the ground, and then took off.

Burgess is trying to prove to the jury that O’Keefe’s clock was 30 seconds fast, and both incidents happened at the same time.

Alessi scrutinized Burgess’ calculations, saying that the data recorded on O’Keefe’s phone such as a phone lock occurred after the SUV’s trigger event, challenging his timeline.

Read defense attorney cross-examines prosecution digital forensics expert SUV event, phone lock timeline | ABC6

Karen Read defense attorney Robert Alessi continued his cross-examination of the prosecution's witness, Shanon Burgess, in Read's retrial Tuesday.

www.abc6.com

 

[sunshineray]

Sorry. Not going to debate with you if this guy misrepresented his credentials lol. That ship has sailed.

The defense spoke to it, no debate. The credentials he submitted to the court were correct as they stated, still pursuing.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Read’s SUV registered an “event” within two minutes of O’Keefe’s phone being locked.

It would support the prosecution’s theory that read hit O’Keefe, knocked him to the ground, and then took off.

Burgess is trying to prove to the jury that O’Keefe’s clock was 30 seconds fast, and both incidents happened at the same time.

Alessi scrutinized Burgess’ calculations, saying that the data recorded on O’Keefe’s phone such as a phone lock occurred after the SUV’s trigger event, challenging his timeline.

Read defense attorney cross-examines prosecution digital forensics expert SUV event, phone lock timeline | ABC6

Karen Read defense attorney Robert Alessi continued his cross-examination of the prosecution's witness, Shanon Burgess, in Read's retrial Tuesday.

www.abc6.com

And is that a collision event?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

It was a General Studies major that he called a General Sciences, with Minors in Mathematics and Business Administration...maybe because most of his general studies classes that he was choosing (after taking the required ones) were all science related?

Idk but in my experience, real techy and mathematical people, can sometimes be lacking in social media attentiveness or even participation. He may have thought he was going to finish his education and then was sidetracked or just thought why bother since my job is educating me for my job, as I go...that's all I need to think about now.

I still want to know, was his analysis of the data on the two events, the 3-point turn and backup, incorrect? If he got it right, what difference does his online snafus/lack of online updating make to the end picture of what KR's vehicle did in relation to what JO's iPhone did? Is Burgess's analysis correct?

You are conflating with what he ‘clarified’ to Alessi. He did not list himself as general studies with two minors. That’s how he explained his CV discrepancies to Alessi. You can see he himself listed ‘Bachelor of General Science in Mathematics and Business Administration’ in my post #307 in this thread.

I feel like many of us in this forum work in a professional field where misrespresenting yourself in this way could be a career ender - myself included. I have to say, I am surprised at how many people seem willing to wave away these ‘discrepancies’, and I wonder how those same people would react if it were a defense witness found to have been fraudulent. MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

Do you not know the difference between General Studies and Applied Mathematics, its a HUGE difference?

A general studies is just "a flexible undergraduate degree program that allows students to customize their coursework around their interests and career goals"

An Applied Mathematics degree focuses on using mathematical concepts and tools to solve real-world problems across various fields like science, engineering, and business.

I'm not knocking a general studies degree, but to think it's equivalent to an Applied Math degree is just insanity.

I thought it was stated as two minors...in Mathematics and Business Administration?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I thought it was stated as two minors...in Mathematics and Business Administration?

Look at the ‘education’ section.

 

[sunshineray]

Are you saying you found a source that shows that his school did have a ‘General Studies in Mathematics and Business’ as Burgess listed? That’s a very specific degree. I haven’t.

General Studies was his major with two minors in Mathematics and Business Administration. That was the exact language used in court yesterday.

 

[missy1974]

Do we know what else ARCCA did for the defense? We know what about their initial report, but they were asked to do more, do we know what?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

General Studies was his major with two minors in Mathematics and Business Administration. That was the exact language used in court yesterday.

But that is not what he has listed on prior CVs. He has likely gotten job opportunities with these fraudulent CVs he had posted all over the internet in the past 17 years. He is deceptive. How am I supposed to trust he is a credible expert witness if I can’t even trust that the company that hired him didn’t know he didn’t have a degree?

You’re drifting from your original point. First it was ‘So what if it’s General Studies?’ Then, when it became clear that there’s no such degree as ‘General Studies in Mathematics and Business,’ you shifted to claiming it was just two minors. Let’s be honest: if a defense witness pulled this, would you be saying the same things? The reality is Burgess misrepresented his credentials, and the Commonwealth is still parading him as an expert. That’s not credible. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

On all three CV's he listed the exact same degree program, never correcting it.
However, the dates were either 2022, 2024, or currently pursuing the degree in the program that doesn't exist.
He lied, and it's going to affect his life, the company that he works (worked?) for, and this case.
IMO.

Maybe we'll get an elaboration on that. Was his analysis wrong?

 

[lohrtabitha]

We don't though know what his life was like so your life experience and his could differ greatly. I think it would be valuable to know his life situation before judging.

Oh come on! He lied on his CVs and LinkedIn so more people would hire him because he supposedly had a college degree. He was lying to make money and to gain employment . He got caught too by Alessi!!! This is professional business matters and personal matters don't factor in on this account.

 

[Warwick7]

The defense spoke to it, no debate. The credentials he submitted to the court were correct as they stated, still pursuing.

He may have stated that in court, but, he was hired by the CW for his credentials.

He is counterfeit.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Oh come on! He lied on his CVs and LinkedIn so more people would hire him because he supposedly had a college degree. He was lying to make money and to gain employment . He got caught too by Alessi!!! This is professional business matters and personal matters don't factor in on this account.

For all we know, he lied to Aperture, and they would not have allowed him to represent their company as an expert witness if they knew the truth. MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

But that is not what he has listed on prior CVs. He has likely gotten job opportunities with these fraudulent CVs he had posted all over the internet in the past 17 years. He is deceptive. How am I supposed to trust he is a credible expert witness if I can’t even trust that the company that hired him didn’t know he didn’t have a degree?

Maybe they can delve into his job reviews and accreditations that they do numerous times a year? Maybe have another expert review Mr. Burgess's data analysis to see if it's correct?