MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[louvillian08]

Definition of reasonable doubt is not having enough information to determine how a death occurred if you are claiming someone caused that death. MOO but if you are claiming someone was struck by a vehicle, the cornerstone of your case should be being able to prove the victim was struck by a vehicle. But what do I know

“We don’t know WHEN he was hit, during the techstream data” “we don’t know the speed at which he was hit” “we don’t know where he was when he was hit”

- the CW’s star expert witness on direct testimony

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The Tow truck ignition off happens only 70 seconds are ignition on. It cannot be 1162.

MOO.

I think you may be confusing/conflating ignition duration with event sequencing.

If you’re saying the 70-second tow truck ignition cycle isn’t 1162, then what key cycle was it? We have no other ignition events available other than 1164 (Trooper Paul’s testing).

So if 1162 isn’t Proctor, where is his key cycle? Where is the tow truck cycle? Because the vehicle didn’t power itself onto that flatbed.

We’re working with a closed set of known ignition events. So if you throw out 1162 as Proctor’s movement, you create a gap in the chain of custody and a timeline contradiction with Paul’s test at 1164. MOO.

ETA: if if 1162 isn’t Proctor loading the car, then please explain this to me: What is 1163, then? And how is Trooper Paul’s test just one cycle after that? You can’t just pluck one number out of the lineup without shifting the whole sequence. The car didn’t teleport. The timeline is tight, and sequence is locked. MOO

 

[Anniesflowers]

Its all noise and yadayada to me unless you can tell me it shows the car records indicate a crash took place and then show me how that crash caused John's injuries jmo

YES!! This . If the CW is going to charge a defendant with murder and manslaughter, they need to PROVE a vehicle caused or contributed to his death. As if this morning, I’ve not seen a shred of evidence to prove murder or manslaughter. I’m behind on today’s testimony, so maybe it was testified to today?

 

[Angelwatch]

We attempted to model different possibilities and we were getting results all over the map.

We don't even know the impact speed.

I'm absolutely blown away the CW's theory is so patently undetermined.

 

[Anniesflowers]

What has to be kept in mind is most of what Burgess did was extract a BERLA report, and the contents of those reports are what they are. Now he had to be very clever and diligent to get the data off the SD card, but at the end of the day, both CW and Defence are stuck with the extraction data.

But the defense can challenge the interpretation of the data. As they should.

 

[Angelwatch]

Definition of reasonable doubt is not having enough information to determine how a death occurred if you are claiming someone caused that death. MOO but if you are claiming someone was struck by a vehicle, the cornerstone of your case should be being able to prove the victim was struck by a vehicle. But what do I know

I think their case is worse off after Welcher's testimony on point #3.

 

[Anniesflowers]

I hope Alessi asks that and did you know Brennan gets 75,000 paid by the taxpayers just to prosecute this one case? Here's how much Hank Brennan will get paid to prosecute Karen Read in second trial. Man oh man, if I was a taxpayer there I would be fuming mad!!!!

I am a taxpayer in Massachusetts, and it’s infuriating that Brennan (just Brennan) will make 225k dollars for prosecuting the case.

Special prosecutor Hank Brennan could make $225,000 trying Karen Read case

A public records request reveals that special prosecutor Hank Brennan's pay has been increased for the Karen Read trial.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[jepop]

Surprise, surprise; Welcher's testimony is second rate and so far explains nothing of import. Zero, zilch. How does the lexus damage and JOK's wounds match? Welcher's learned opinion summarised appears to be - 'I dunno'. The farce continues unabated. What is wrong with cw? Jmo

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Chalk up another giant fail for the cw. The reconstructionist can't reconstruct. JMOO

But he brought a hat and now he’s about to put it on and demonstrate something

NVM, objected. But still, my goodness

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927447517504946229

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927444336918044729

 

[missy1974]

Sounds like Brennan is wrapping up...

Anyone else expect more?

 

[jepop]

Sounds like Brennan is wrapping up...

Anyone else expect more?

It's an utter joke. I can hardly believe it.

 

[waldojabba]

I am a taxpayer in Massachusetts, and it’s infuriating that Brennan (just Brennan) will make 225k dollars for prosecuting the case.

Special prosecutor Hank Brennan could make $225,000 trying Karen Read case

A public records request reveals that special prosecutor Hank Brennan's pay has been increased for the Karen Read trial.

www.cbsnews.com

Add in, what we the taxpayers are shelling out for Aperture ( Shanon and the Dr) and its really a lot of money that would be better used in childhood education for instance
And the farce continues
JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Sounds like Brennan is wrapping up...

Anyone else expect more?

I mean, there’s ONE major item I’d like to hear from the CW that I haven’t heard yet… evidence of Karen’s Lexus striking Johns body. MOO

 

[mrjitty]

I think you may be confusing/conflating ignition duration with event sequencing.

If you’re saying the 70-second tow truck ignition cycle isn’t 1162, then what key cycle was it? We have no other ignition events available other than 1164 (Trooper Paul’s testing).

So if 1162 isn’t Proctor, where is his key cycle? Where is the tow truck cycle? Because the vehicle didn’t power itself onto that flatbed.

We’re working with a closed set of known ignition events. So if you throw out 1162 as Proctor’s movement, you create a gap in the chain of custody and a timeline contradiction with Paul’s test at 1164. MOO.

ETA: if if 1162 isn’t Proctor loading the car, then please explain this to me: What is 1163, then? And how is Trooper Paul’s test just one cycle after that? You can’t just pluck one number out of the lineup without shifting the whole sequence. The car didn’t teleport. The timeline is tight, and sequence is locked. MOO

1164 is Dighton. Trooper Paul's testing is a completely different day. They know this now because they have the odometer read for ignition on/off. Brennan introduced into evidence the odometer read photo before testing happened. These reads start 36 miles after the 1162 odometer read and waterfall ignition odometer read.

I agree all this stuff was open to some doubt in T1 but now they have the timestamps with odometer reads they know which key cycle is for which event.

This is why Alessi is basing his whole trial strategy on less than 60secs of clock drift rather than 1162 happening 16 hours later

Even if you don't agree on the above, at the end of the day, a 70 second tow truck load cannot be 1162.

MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927442193289031766

 

[Angelwatch]

“We don’t know WHEN he was hit, during the techstream data” “we don’t know the speed at which he was hit” “we don’t know where he was when he was hit”

- the CW’s star expert witness on direct testimony

LOL They've worked so hard to prove when 1162 occurred and then Welcher takes a wrecking ball to it.

 

[Wishbone]

I mean, there’s ONE major item I’d like to hear from the CW that I haven’t heard yet… evidence of Karen’s Lexus striking Johns body. MOO

Dr wolf says it happened to a scientific certainty. And there you have it, BECAUSE HE SAID SO, BUT CAN'T EXPLAIN IT OR PROVE IT. That statement should not be allowed. JMOO

 

[BUF]

I haven’t been watching today, but sounds like this witness was a bust for the CW from the posts (btw, thank you for the updates!).

It’s almost time for the days’s testimony to end. Do you think the CW will be finished with direct today and defense starts with cross in the morning?