MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #29 Retrial

[Leilei]

Okay, so I notice... that everything referencing Burgess' report, is being objected to, and ACTUALLY being sustained, and I've made it to a few sidebars. I'm still about 15 minutes or so until lunch break.. do we know what time they are supposed to be back from lunch?

I think she gave them 45 minutes for lunch today.
IMO.

 

[Tortoise]

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Welcher says data show sthe "second triggering event" which is the reverse move, happened 8 minutes after the three point turn on cedarcrest.


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He testifies the Lexus went forward 34 feet, then backed up 53 feet. Welcher says Lexus data shows accelerator pedal was at 74% - about 3/4rd of the way to the floor.

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Welcher found Zero brake application. speed 23.61 mph. surmises that may have increased after the end of the data gathering window

 

[mrjitty]

I've seen many defense objections sustained in the prosecution's direct examination of it's witnesses in this second trial.

Alessi objects a lot on technical points like leading - so they are going to be sustained and Brennan has to rephrase

It's stylistic. Other attorneys would not bother to object on that stuff. There is a lot of debate on these points e.g whether its better to do short or long cross.

 

[lohrtabitha]

In answer to your link. Hung juries and mistrials are certainly not what is expected of jurors but it does happen, regardless of that, MO.

What is expected of jurors is to use the evidence to decide if their is enough to convict or not. Hung juries happen because jurors are not all in agreement. They may have tried to reach an agreement but can't. We cant say that is not expected of them. Each juror is expected to uphold their own truth and there is real beauty in that.

 

[Wishbone]

Yes in their minds because some voted to convict and some didn't, a hung jury. So therefore, some jurors obviously shared my opinion, that KR was guilty. I never said any of the jurors didn't have open minds while listening to the evidence, just that some voted guilty and some didn't during deliberations. I agreed with the ones voting guilty. MO

That was not the impression I got from your post. It must have been hard to decipher what you meant.

 

[Warwick7]

How do you explain Karen driving high speed in reverse outside 34F when the defence always denied this until 13 days ago?

She didn't drive at high speed in reverse at 34F. M00

 

[justwannahelp]

No.
What I heard was the expert's opinion is: that striking John would have been a minimal impact and wouldn't trigger an event to register. M00

i don’t know anything about “event registering” but While reversing down our driveway, my husband’s Volvo SUV automatically SLAMMED on the brakes when nearing a wisteria vine OVERHEAD and to the right of the vehicle/on a fence to the right of the driveway. I’m pretty sure new techy vehicles would slam brakes if a pedestrian was in the way, and I’m guessing it would “register/record” it if the vehicle ends up making impact. Right??

 

[Tortoise]

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“The Lexus is a 6,000 lb vehicle. Mr. O’Keefe is only 216 lbs.” Accident Reconstructionist explained why #KarenRead’s Lexus didn’t register any collision with #JohnOKeefe.#CourtTV What do YOU think?














https://x.com/CourtTV/status/1927413664727908428/analytics

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[Warwick7]

How do you explain Karen driving high speed in reverse outside 34F when the defence always denied this until 13 days ago?

Good afternoon, I had asked you for a link for this before but you didn't respond. Do you have a link that the defense did this.??

 

[missy1974]

I think she gave them 45 minutes for lunch today.
IMO.

Thank you!!! I'm just about there! haha Brennan sounds better at 2x speed though just saying lol

 

[Warwick7]

But the prosecution is saying there was a collision and Dr. Welcher does have a PHD in biomedical engineering, so we may hear testimony about the physical collision, as it relates to JO's body, in his testimony, MO.

We may....
Or we may hear something else.

 

[sunshineray]

So at the end of second the trigger the Lexus is not on the brake and at 74% throttle...likely still accelerating.

 

[Angelwatch]

I think she gave them 45 minutes for lunch today.
IMO.

Hopefully they get some energy drinks or coffee shots with lunch so they can focus on this quicksand of data.

 

[missy1974]

Thanks to all the sidebars and the longer lunch break today I was able to catch up.

Interesting that there was no braking on the event... going that fast, wouldn't anyone have to slam on the brakes? How does that not register in this event?

 

[twall]

i don’t know anything about “event registering” but While reversing down our driveway, my husband’s Volvo SUV automatically SLAMMED on the brakes when nearing a wisteria vine OVERHEAD and to the right of the vehicle/on a fence to the right of the driveway. I’m pretty sure new techy vehicles would slam brakes if a pedestrian was in the way, and I’m guessing it would “register/record” it if the vehicle ends up making impact. Right??

Right, I want to know why the safety stop did not engage on the Lexus when it made contact with JOK's vehicle in his driveway. My Jeep beeps/warns me when I am backing out of the garage and am too close to the trash can!

 

[Angelwatch]

"I have no dog in this fight" LOL Well, tbf, that was the Alberts.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Right, I want to know why the safety stop did not engage on the Lexus when it made contact with JOK's vehicle in his driveway. My Jeep beeps/warns me when I am backing out of the garage and am too close to the trash can!

did Karen Read ignore hers?

 

[Warwick7]

You can go round the houses on this forever. You are correct his submitted CV is all that matters legally. I tend to agree the LinkedIn thing is irrelevant to this case. But of course it is an unforced error because it allows an attack on credibility.

Who knows what the jury make of it, and it muddies the waters, but of course it shouldn't muddy the waters for us, because we know that the defence is simply trying to muddy the waters!

At the end of the day, this comes down to an argument over a few seconds, that perhaps can never be entirely resolved. But it sure is a hell of a coincidence that Karen apparently made such a wild reversing with 75% throttle and no brake, right around the time John's phone never moved again.

I have to say I am pretty stunned Alessi made this his strategy, but it does seem like 1162 is so nailed down he had no real alternative. He needs trigger 2 to plausibly happen well before John's final steps or a murder conviction is bound to follow IMO.

Even then, I wonder if a jury can ever buy that idea. This is why i say I now need to hear from the defendant as to why she was driving so fast in reverse. At the moment, there is just no explanation for it, other than the worst one.

IMO

1162 is nailed down. It's when KR's vehicle was driven up on the tow truck.

 

[twall]

did Karen Read ignore hers?

I don't know about the Lexus but my Jeep if you ignore the warning beeps and keep reversing at a slow speed it will still stop. My husband and I tested it out but no way are we testing it going 25mph!

 

[Maat99]

The judge is running a tight ship and making sure there's foundation for all questions, defense and prosecution, MO.

Hopefully she learned a valuable lesson based on how she handled the last minute shenanigans with SB and how it all blew up in her face.