MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[kuromiiiilove]

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If he wasn’t going to hit himself at 20MPH, maybe he should have come up with an alternate method to prove his theory. MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

If John's arm was cut by tail light and he had his arm bend at elbow....the cut on upper arm would be horizontal....BUT lower arm would have to be vertical. Dr would not admit it. AND again NO BLOOD on pieces of tail lights.

This Dr is such a fraud, imo. Paid to lie. IMO.

And even in his ‘blue paint’ experiment that was supposed to prove John’s injuries were caused by the Lexus, you can literally see him hunching over as the car reverses toward him to make the paint impact where he wanted it to. Shameful MOO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I think Dr Welcher’s was mistaken when he said he didn’t have a dog in this fight. I think Aperture is his dog, and he doesn’t want to see his business’ reputation demolished. I think that’s why he’s pushing back so hard, being evasive, not answering the question as it was asked, etc

Yes @kuromiiiilove ….. IMO I suspect that Dr. Welcher, Aperture LLC Executive Vice President - ‘Biomechanics and Accident Reconstruction’ just might in fact have a ‘dog in this fight’? And it might in part have something to do with that designation that pops up on his CV? That ‘Not For Expert Designation’ watermark that shows up on his CV when it is accessed (see attached image). And Dr. Welcher is also following up after the testimony of his ‘associate’ Mr. Burgess. It also seems IMO a little unusual that an Executive Vice President, and Ph.D. credentialed individual would be receiving a ‘Not For Expert Designation’? And when testifying before an open court, on record, and under oath - in a criminal trial? IANAL.

This copy of Dr. Welcher’s credentials was just downloaded from the Aperture LLC website a few moments ago. MOO

 

[waldojabba]

She would have no problem making ARCCA take a red-eye flight or stay over a weekend if brennan wanted to stretch things out or make them do anything that was convenient for them in my opinion. She's beyond obvious in her bias. Again, in my opinion.

Alessi pushed back on the judge and her timing re cross tomorrow which I was happy to hear - she had to concede she just wanted to know for scheduling. ( supposedly they go straight until 130 tomorrow with only a 20 min break. A juror has an appointment). Alessi needs to draw it out( he has the witness to do that actually) and bring this blockhead back Friday.

But the voir dire - She says you have until 4:15 - what? Somebody going to turn in to a pumpkin?
JMO

 

[missy1974]

And these key cycles - I know I’ve said it before but it stands to be said again- aren’t even proof of collision events!!! They are the data that Aperture is inferring is consistent with a collision event! We are soooo far into the weeds here!

I hope we get back into the key cycles tomorrow.

It's obvious that the CW and Welcher do not want to go there. They know what the issue is. IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Alessi pushed back on the judge and her timing re cross tomorrow which I was happy to hear - she had to concede she just wanted to know for scheduling. ( supposedly they go straight until 130 tomorrow with only a 20 min break. A juror has an appointment). Alessi needs to draw it out( he has the witness to do that actually) and bring this blockhead back Friday.

But the voir dire - She says you have until 4:15 - what? Somebody going to turn in to a pumpkin?
JMO

And she opened this door by allowing this witness and promising the defense a “robust cross”

 

[Angelwatch]

I think the defense should call Brian Higgins to the stand regarding his previous testimony that his white jeep was parked at the mailbox.

 

[Angelwatch]

If he wasn’t going to hit himself at 20MPH, maybe he should have come up with an alternate method to prove his theory. MOO

Alessi brought that up and he said he didn’t want to have to defend it in court. So science and physics be damned. Don’t test for it because it may reveal something we don’t want the other side to know.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi brought that up and he said he didn’t want to have to defend it in court. So science and physics be damned. Don’t test for it because it may reveal something we don’t want the other side to know.

That’s so crazy. If physics proved the impact, he could defend it all day and walk out with his chin up, because he’d have a clear formula(s) and a proof (to borrow a term from mathematics). MOO

 

[Angelwatch]

And even in his ‘blue paint’ experiment that was supposed to prove John’s injuries were caused by the Lexus, you can literally see him hunching over as the car reverses toward him to make the paint impact where he wanted it to. Shameful MOO

He kept referring to horizontal lacerations, but if the arm was bent at a 90 degree angle, the forearm would have lacerations in a different direction. But Welcher kept insisting horizontal lacerations just like his slide.

I’ve never seen anyone so enamored with their own slides.

 

[dlsully62]

Key people: ChrisA invited John to the Waterfall, made sure BH insisted he go to the Alberts. Jen Mc also insisted John go to Alberts, even wanted to separate John from Karen on the drive to 34th.

Karen....did not really want to go. What did she sense?

I'm not sure she sensed anything but had been emotionally, if not physically cheating on JOK. I think she didn't want to get them that confined... But not sure.

 

[Kit Carson]

Welcher is a train wreck. The problem with him is he's arrogant. So arrogant that both his elbows were propped up on the shelves in the witness box. The only other person that had his elbow on the shelf was Yuri Bukhenik and only one. Welcher didn't use good science, he used confirmation bias. He looked for evidence that supported his theory of guilt even if it was made up. That's why the day today was all over the place. I think the prosecution doesn't care because it will confuse the jury allowing them to possibly make a verdict of guilty. I think it will backfire, and lead to a verdict of NOT GUILTY!

 

[waldojabba]

No thing makes sure, Jen said she saw Karen move up twice or three times. Ryan saw Karen move up once. Where exactly does Dr show that on the 1162 time line?? And 87 ft....maybe after the tow??

The thing is - NONE of that matters imo.

Welcher cannot say where John was, He cannot say where the car was, he claims the car somehow hit John but he has no idea of the speed and he has no real science behind any of it. And btw where did he factor in John's BAC ? He tells Alessi to keep the weather out of it ! Well, why do we think those wheels on the Lexus were spinning in place ? Didn't he say he had to use one of his gadgets from his Junior Rangers science kit to recalulate due to wheel slippage?

He is basing his opinion on the police reports and KR interviews - that's pretty clear to me. He's no science expert here - he is an agent of the state. And he is a Dunce.


Just my opinion

 

[Tortoise]

Re Dr Welcher, I saw an expert who is very well qualified and confident in his work. I don't think Alessi made any headway with him all day. What a waste of a day of cross.

I can see the defence not calling ARCCA at this rate.

IMO

 

[Maat99]

Edit: not sure how to post a video so I will just put a link. Jud Welcher describing most common pedestrian strike injuries

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7509547047800933663

 

[bobbymkii]

Re Dr Welcher, I saw an expert who is very well qualified and confident in his work. I don't think Alessi made any headway with him all day. What a waste of a day of cross.

I can see the defence not calling ARCCA at this rate.

IMO

Re: BBM:

Why?

 

[Leilei]

Yes @kuromiiiilove ….. IMO I suspect that Dr. Welcher, Aperture LLC Executive Vice President - ‘Biomechanics and Accident Reconstruction’ just might in fact have a ‘dog in this fight’? And it might in part have something to do with that designation that pops up on his CV? That ‘Not For Expert Designation’ watermark that shows up on his CV when it is accessed (see attached image). And Dr. Welcher is also following up after the testimony of his ‘associate’ Mr. Burgess. It also seems IMO a little unusual that an Executive Vice President, and Ph.D. credentialed individual would be receiving a ‘Not For Expert Designation’? And when testifying before an open court, on record, and under oath - in a criminal trial? IANAL.

This copy of Dr. Welcher’s credentials was just downloaded from the Aperture LLC website a few moments ago. MOO

That watermark appeared on Burgess's CV the afternoon of his first day of cross. The next morning, I believe, the watermark was added to other CV's, but not all. Which is very, very strange.
So is he an expert or not?
IMO.

 

[nightowl1975]

They’re getting paid. They’re not a not for profit organization. Let’s move on.

Come on now. The CW pitched a giant fit over the defense paying ARCAA for their TRAVEL EXPENSES. The defense didn’t pay AARCA for their actual work product, the federal government did!! Had the defense paid ARCAA $400K+ for their work, they absolutely would’ve made just as big of a deal about it.

I can guarantee whiny Brennan will still try to equate the defense paying ARCAA $25K for actual travel and lodging expenses to the CW paying these clowns $400K+ for their “experiments”. What an absolute disgrace.

 

[Seni]

Kinda like Burgesses' "cut and paste"
Welcher used exhibits from Trooper Paul's info and used findings from the ME Dr SB autopsy too - just not the conclusions.
Not sure what the issue is - not allowed?
JMO

I'm guessing it could be because the witness might enter into perjury issues

 

[Tortoise]

Re: BBM:

Why?

One, because I think the prosecution has got a lot to knock them with, especially with the recovered car data, and two because I think Alessi might be using them to get in all the points they would make in his cross of Welcher, to avoid the prosecution hammering them.

I think the defence might just choose to focus on Proctor and dog bite lady.

Particularly IMO Welcher has proven she did not break her taillight by nudging John's car.