MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[Wishbone]

Wow...just wow...Has anyone here ever seen a judge be so blatant in preventing a defense lawyer to cross examine a witness. What has happened to trying to just get to the truth?

I completely agree with you. It's blatant. I am encouraged that the point Alessi was trying to make may happen anyway when ARCCA testifies. We shall see. JMOO

 

[tara83]

I completely agree with you. It's blatant. I am encouraged that the point Alessi was trying to make may happen anyway when ARCCA testifies. We shall see. JMOO

What makes it worse is she promised him a robust cross because of this being entered late.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Read was asked while leaving court on Thursday if she plans to testify.

"TBD," Read said, adding that the defense expects its case to last 1.5 to 2 weeks. Read did not testify during her first trial.

Read said Matthew DiSogra, a digital forensic expert, will be the defense's first witness to take the stand.

When asked how she would sum up the prosecution's case, Read responded, "Unjust."

Prosecution rests in Karen Read trial after 23 days of testimony

The prosecution rested its case Thursday after dozens of witnesses in the Karen Read trial as her defense attorneys will now begin calling witnesses.

www.cbsnews.com

Judson Welcher, an accident reconstruction expert, testifies, during the murder retrial of Karen Read in Norfolk Superior Court, Thursday, May 29, 2025, in Dedham, Mass. AP Photo/Mark Stockwell, Pool
There were several tense exchanges between Alessi and Welcher early on Thursday. At one point in the middle of an answer, Welcher said "I'm sorry, let me…" and held up his hand in Alessi's direction.

"Sir, please don't interrupt," Alessi said to Welcher, prompting the judge to intervene.

"Your honor, he keeps referencing my hand and saying I'm doing something when I'm not and I think that's distracting to the jury. I'm not interrupting him," Alessi said to the judge.

"Let the witness answer the question," Cannone replied.

"I am. I'm just holding my hand like this, your honor. He keeps saying I'm doing something," Alessi said

Crash expert in Karen Read trial is prosecution's final witness

The Karen Read trial was back in a Massachusetts courtroom as the prosecution called its final witness then rested its case.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[thebedbug]

Fairly certain that the bolded statement was in reference to when JOK was found, not when she was pulling away.
Cherry-picking in that article, bigtime.
Perhaps you can provide a link that shows that she said what you are alleging?
TYIA.
IMO.

The defense could certainly play extended clips to provide whatever context they think would be helpful. If they are choosing not to, it's their decision.

In the trial where I previously mentioned I was a juror, the prosecution presented clipped text messages that one could believe were talking about a certain thing... when the defense presented extended context of the before/after along with unconnected additional messages that showed use of the same phrasing... it was far less incriminating.

 

[sunshineray]

Fairly certain that the bolded statement was in reference to when JOK was found, not when she was pulling away.
Cherry-picking in that article, bigtime.
Perhaps you can provide a link that shows that she said what you are alleging?
TYIA.
IMO.

That doesn't make sense to the description of JO when they found him, does it?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

If she is convicted, it will be her own words in some of these clips that does it. Sadly not the case the CW has put forth because the case is incredibly weak. IMO

I’ve already said I disagree with the prosecution playing these clips as they are taken out of context and perfectly clipped. Honestly though it’s her lawyers fault for allowing her to do these interviews between these 2 trials. I don’t know what they were thinking.

Did her lawyers tell her it was ok or was it her decision? Regardless, I agree with you, there is no evidence of a car strike but her words are the Commonwealth’s best “evidence”.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes it was a memory. From seeing him at on the ground, in the snow at 6am on January 29th. There's a reason the CW has to play clips cut up and without any context

I would think that the defense has had good input in what clips the prosecution can play, the content and length? KR did say though, it was her way of testifying, doing the interviews for the doc and her lawyers allowed it, I would assume?

 

[missy1974]

The defense could certainly play extended clips to provide whatever context they think would be helpful. If they are choosing not to, it's their decision.

In the trial where I previously mentioned I was a juror, the prosecution presented clipped text messages that one could believe were talking about a certain thing... when the defense presented extended context of the before/after along with unconnected additional messages that showed use of the same phrasing... it was far less incriminating.

Someone else may know .. but I thought the defense is not being allowed to use anything in her interviews. She either testifies or doesn't, but if she could use the clips, she could do a million self serving interviews and then the defense could use the clips, without her ever being subjected to cross examination. That wouldn't work.

JMO

 

[rescuemom]

I think he was rattled by Welcher. I had been looking forward to him crossing Welcher but he didn’t do as well as I hoped.

He did a fantastic job given what he had to work with.

 

[sunshineray]

A very high majority of attorneys online disagree with your opinion. It is interesting to see everyone’s opinions though.

I think I've had my fill of online youtubing or podcasting lawyers with some previous cases. I rather like to form my own opinions, like the jurors do, day by day, just listening to the trial. Just my preference.

 

[missy1974]

That doesn't make sense to the description of JO when they found him, does it?

Yes, it kinda does...

He didn't look mortally wounded... he didn't have a gunshot wound, we wasn't mangled, and I don't recall anyone saying his eyes were as bad as they were shown later... Karen does mention in a clip about a piece of glass on his nose... but other than that... ?

I think not only Karen but Kerri thought he had hypothermia, I recall Kerri testifying that Karen was laying on him trying to warm him up, Kerri got blankets from her car... It wasn't until later that Karen realized she had blood on her. Jen McCabe in her 911 call... a man in the snow... not omg he looks beat up or is bleeding, etc.


Have you ever called 911 when there is an accident or serious medical condition? First thing I have been asked is ... can you see any injuries? Then they direct you on how to deal with that injury or condition while waiting for help to arrive. But John was just a "man in the snow".

JMO

 

[rescuemom]

DiSogra will be the defense's first witness.. from KR herself..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928143091598246024

Help me remeber who he is???

 

[Wishbone]

I form my own opinions on on a defendant's guilt or innocence by reviewing the facts and testimony and weighing the evidence of the case being tried. I also admit to being encouraged when a respected youtube attorney also shares my viewpoint. JMOO

 

[sunshineray]

If one didn’t see the head wound, I don’t think he would look mortally injured either. He didn’t have many other injuries and even his own brother thought he gotten into a fist fight. The scratches or bites on his arm don’t seem deadly, regardless of how one thinks he got them.

There was quite a bit of blood though wasn't there, from the testimony and around his eyes were all discolored? Idk, when watching KR in the documentary "Body in the Snow" there was a lot said by her and her manner that just doesn't sit right...especially since hearing all the testimony so far. AJMO

Watch A Body in the Snow: The Trial of Karen Read | HBO Max

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[keek]

I form my own opinions on on a defendant's guilt or innocence by reviewing the facts and testimony and weighing the evidence of the case being tried. I also admit to being encouraged when a respected youtube attorney also shares my viewpoint. JMOO

Right, preformed thoughts on the plaintiff or defendant by appearance is a bad move that people make and SO hope they are not on a jury if have that mindset. On a jury you cannot just glaze over, but when they all meet to discuss, thankfully there are hopefully othersthat do understand the technical end, especially in this one. Those key cycles .. never want to hear that again and I am sure I will. Have to have the mind of openness and 'getting it', not clips or highlights. It helps a lot if you have experience at least in the big wide world of the human experience, not just your own immediate bubble. It does show and must frustrate other jurors when trying to get the facts across to some on their team. BUT, hopefully those are weeded out in selection time. This is a different pool of people than last, though unfortunately they were rushed out at the end without the proper nor professional manner of options and making sure of clear understanding of how to rule. IMO

 

[cocomod]

I think I've had my fill of online youtubing or podcasting lawyers with some previous cases. I rather like to form my own opinions, like the jurors do, day by day, just listening to the trial. Just my preference.

I get that. But, as far as the judge having bias, someone with more experience in the courtroom may have more knowledge than we do. My brother is a judge, and he won't take much time, but I have shown him just a few clips. He is very careful with his opinion, says he would like to watch more, but said it appears that her bias IS showing and she IS acting inappropriate.

I felt that she was bias, so I have listed to the lawyers and attorneys online (not just youtubers, but interviews done by professionals) to see if they agree with me and many others here on WS

 

[Spectrix]

Yes, I don't think KR intentional meant to hurt JO but I do believe the evidence shows she did injure him while driving

Do you think the prosecution are planning to show that evidence to the court any time soon?

 

[cocomod]

That doesn't make sense to the description of JO when they found him, does it?

Actually it does. Think about his injuries... There weren't many. The main and worst injury is the back of his head. There isn't a ton of blood in the snow... I can see her thinking he fell, but isn't terribly injured.

 

[sunshineray]

Yes, it kinda does...

He didn't look mortally wounded... he didn't have a gunshot wound, we wasn't mangled, and I don't recall anyone saying his eyes were as bad as they were shown later... Karen does mention in a clip about a piece of glass on his nose... but other than that... ?

I think not only Karen but Kerri thought he had hypothermia, I recall Kerri testifying that Karen was laying on him trying to warm him up, Kerri got blankets from her car... It wasn't until later that Karen realized she had blood on her. Jen McCabe in her 911 call... a man in the snow... not omg he looks beat up or is bleeding, etc.


Have you ever called 911 when there is an accident or serious medical condition? First thing I have been asked is ... can you see any injuries? Then they direct you on how to deal with that injury or condition while waiting for help to arrive. But John was just a "man in the snow".

JMO

Snipped by me for focus...

"It wasn't until later that Karen realized she had blood on her. Jen McCabe in her 911 call... a man in the snow... not omg he looks beat up or is bleeding, etc."

And there was KR having already stated,
John's dead.

I hit him.

Oh my God, did I hit him?

and also a few more things to JO's niece.

A lot of things to overlook, IMO