MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[Snoods]

LOL!
Right there with you and quite a few times I've wondered if I was on the jury how I'd handle my confusion.

Anyone..

Did any juror(s) from the first trial speak out about the testimonies from both sides by the accident re re-constructionist experts?
I'm curious how much weight they got during deliberations.

They thought they cancelled each other out because they were dueling hired guns. Of course they didn’t know ARCCA was hired by the FBI and was completely unbiased. Unfair imo

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So DiSogra says that the exemplar Lexus could have had a separate delay to Karen’s Lexus. He says without the testing of a second exemplar vehicle, you can’t certainly say the delay in Karen’s Lexus clock was 3 seconds. He says best practices would have involved testing with the key switch adjustment at 3 seconds, but to also do the entire analysis without it (that’s a null hypothesis, the thing Burgess didn’t do)

 

[arielilane]

I guess defense no longer argue third party culprit? They should have never done that to begin with. The whole case is about vehicle hit. jmo

 

[kuromiiiilove]

They thought they cancelled each other out because they were dueling hired guns. Of course they didn’t know ARCCA was hired by the FBI and was completely unbiased. Unfair imo

I feel that the defense was not allowed to mention ARCCA’s involvement with the FBI, because it’s very compelling that the Feds didn’t file charges. MOO.

 

[arielilane]

@KristinaRex


Jury is attentive but doesn't show emotion (ever, really). Many note takers.


10:41 AM · May 30, 2025

 

[kuromiiiilove]

When you apply the 3 second ‘Key on’ to John’s walking away time of 26 seconds, it was 29 seconds between the end of the TSE and the phone lock.

34 seconds if you count from the actual trigger event.

 

[Leilei]

I guess defense no longer argue third party culprit? They should have never done that to begin with. The whole case is about vehicle hit. jmo

They literally JUST STARTED THEIR CASE.
None of us have any idea as to what they are going to argue at this point in time.
IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Burgess never applied the differences in times to the calculated time of the 1162-2 event until his May amended report.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

They literally JUST STARTED THEIR CASE.
None of us have any idea as to what they are going to argue at this point in time.
IMO

Like, is it this out of this world that they will BOTH debunk Aperture AND introduce the concept of a third party culprit?

 

[BUF]

I find this witness very easy to listen to. You can tell he teaches as he relays his information in an understandable manner.

What a difference from that last CW witness.

 

[Soulmagent]

I guess defense no longer argue third party culprit? They should have never done that to begin with. The whole case is about vehicle hit. jmo

Where?
When ?
How ?

The whole case is about a hit and run? Or a dead officer frozen on a lawn?

If she did not hit him ,it is not her job to solve the case. They are the cops here.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

DiSogra applied the offsets Burgess calculated in his original (not modified to suit the CW) report. Regardless of which offset you apply, John’s interaction window with his phone remains positive, aka AFTER the TSE

 

[Leilei]

Like, is it this out of this world that they will BOTH debunk Aperture AND introduce the concept of a third party culprit?

Heaven forbid they should multi-task and take their time to clearly state their case, right?
IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Heaven forbid they should multi-task and take their time to clearly state their case, right?
IMO.

Of course they will claim third-party culprit IMO. It’s clear by the questions of the lacerations to John’s face on cross. *Someone* had to cause John’s death… MOO

 

[missy1974]

I find this witness very easy to listen to. You can tell he teaches as he relays his information in an understandable manner.

What a difference from that last CW witness.

I am mostly listening right now... one thing that I have not heard is...

What are you looking at? Please close your computer? Please don't look at your computer. ETC ETC ETC

 

[jepop]

Heaven forbid they should multi-task and take their time to clearly state their case, right?
IMO.

Lol, they should just lie down and take their rightful medicine.

 

[Leilei]

I find this witness very easy to listen to. You can tell he teaches as he relays his information in an understandable manner.

What a difference from that last CW witness.

He's much easier to understand, and I don't feel like he's talking too fast or being intentionally confusing.
It's refreshing.
IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Interesting that Burgess only applied his offset calculations to his expanded (May) report. Almost like he knew the offset calculations from his January report showed that John’s phone event happened after the TSE ended and didn’t want to defend that in court MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I watched the documentary and you know what it was? Entertainment. This is how the TV business makes the big bucks. It's preys on persuasion techniques which can mislead viewers in their thought processes. So many of the important facts, evidence, the extensive questioning with the full witness testimonies are not seen in this 3 part doc. The producers of the doc used entertaining clips of what it could sell to an audience. It doesn't represent the whole picture and never will because it was solely made to make money. That is how the Entertainment business works. Moo

No it was more behind the scene filming and as KR says in it, her testimony. MO

 

[Izzylizzy]

They thought they cancelled each other out because they were dueling hired guns. Of course they didn’t know ARCCA was hired by the FBI and was completely unbiased. Unfair imo

Bitter-sweet yet in the end worked to KR's advantage.
Thanks,
imo