MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[Snoods]

I could never in a million years imagine this fella saying, ”It's possible from an engineering perspective. Possible even for the Lexus to fly to outer space.”

 

[kuromiiiilove]

DiSogra says any of the 30 (thirty!!) possible offsets are equally valid. He says he would not pick any one offset as standing above the other offsets.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I am mostly listening right now... one thing that I have not heard is...

What are you looking at? Please close your computer? Please don't look at your computer. ETC ETC ETC

And he's not wearing that ugly black silicone wedding band when it's not needed for safety, lol
imo

 

[Soulmagent]

God forbid actual facts, math, and methodology comes out… MOO

I told y'all the math was keeping me up.
I think there are 3 issues with math problems in the case. IMO
The CW is being more shady than I had first perceived.

 

[sunshineray]

Probably because it was touch DNA. It’s not indicative of any crime. If he’s ever been and and out the the car there’s a high chance for touch DNA.

Secondly, we saw the open solo cups with Johns presumed blood photographed not two feet from the back of Karen’s Lexus. Not a sterile environment.

I don't see any correlation with the cups, at all, MO. I do though consider JO's DNA from the tail light (the impact area IMO) and a hair also there as very strong evidence to support the tiny, tiny shards of that same tail light on JO's clothing. It also is supported by JO's phone being exactly in the area of KR Lexus during the whole pulling forward, hardly stopping, putting the vehicle in reverse, slamming the foot down on the gas (30% acceleration to, IIRC 74%, NO brake) Lexus maneuver. AJMO

 

[Angelwatch]

I feel like Burgess and Welcher did their best to confuse the data and make the slides so busy they were hard to follow. DiSorga is so much clearer. Bonus points for DiSorga being likable.

 

[Snoods]

I am mostly listening right now... one thing that I have not heard is...

What are you looking at? Please close your computer? Please don't look at your computer. ETC ETC ETC

Lol Could you please not read texts from Mr Brennan on your Apple Watch, Mr Welcher?

 

[missy1974]

DiSogra says any of the 30 (thirty!!) possible offsets are equally valid. He says he would not pick any one offset as standing above the other offsets.

I grabbed the screenshot summary of the 30 possible offsets:

 

[jepop]

DiSogra says any of the 30 (thirty!!) possible offsets are equally valid. He says he would not pick any one offset as standing above the other offsets.

It's called the application of non-biased engineering/scientific objectivity. Welcher and Burgess may care (or not) to take note. ( Of course just kidding, they know exactly what this is but didn't bother because...reasons).Imo

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

I don't see any correlation with the cups, at all, MO. I do though consider JO's DNA from the tail light (the impact area IMO) and a hair also there as very strong evidence to support the tiny, tiny shards of that same tail light on JO's clothing. It also is supported by JO's phone being exactly in the area of KR Lexus during the whole pulling forward, hardly stopping, putting the vehicle in reverse, slamming the foot down on the gas (30% acceleration to, IIRC 74%, NO brake) Lexus maneuver. AJMO

Yeah except that ignores the fact that he was in and around the car hundreds of times. He could have loaded groceries in the back and touched the light three hundred times, but sure, act like the only conceivable way it would be on the car is for nefarious reasons.

 

[Soulmagent]

No it was more behind the scene filming and as KR says in it, her testimony. MO

Filming behind the scenes ?
Link?
We just want you to link to what you claim it is true.
How do you have the information?

 

[Izzylizzy]

It's called the application of non-biased engineering/scientific objectivity. Welcher and Burgess may care (or not) to take note. ( Of course just kidding, they know exactly what this is but didn't bother because...reasons).Imo

#1 reason being the CW was their cash cow.
imo

 

[AngTxGal]

Bitter-sweet yet in the end worked to KR's advantage.
Thanks,
imo

It makes more sense to me that it is quite complicated to align events of KR’s car system with JO’s phone system than to believe doing so would be simple.

Phone lock event- JO phone records his last steps
Car event 1162-2 - KR moving in reverse for 80+ feet at 74% of acceleration

So what could be concluded?
Could the phone have locked up before the car event was completed? Yes
Could the phone have locked up at the same time the car event completed? Yes
Could the phone have locked up within 30 sec of the car event being completed? Yes

How does this help KR’s defense? I can’t see that it does. Am I missing something?

IMO

 

[Wishbone]

I don't see any correlation with the cups, at all, MO. I do though consider JO's DNA from the tail light (the impact area IMO) and a hair also there as very strong evidence to support the tiny, tiny shards of that same tail light on JO's clothing. It also is supported by JO's phone being exactly in the area of KR Lexus during the whole pulling forward, hardly stopping, putting the vehicle in reverse, slamming the foot down on the gas (30% acceleration to, IIRC 74%, NO brake) Lexus maneuver. AJMO

Yes, those unknown beginning and ending points to include outer space. Not evidence. JMOO

 

[sunshineray]

I understand that as he is in a relationship with KR it would be expected his DNA is all over the vehicle. If I recall correctly, his DNA was not found in the broken tail light, the CW claim struck/side swiped him.

And I'd possibly disregard that if not for the tail light shards on his clothing, his phone's data syncing with the Lexus (so JO is not in the house when the Lexus 2nd trigger occurs) and the facts from the 2nd trigger, the what, where and how. The why is also explained, IMO, by KR's own words in the documentary, phone messages to JO and numerous statements to others. The totality of it all is very convincing.
AJMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Yeah except that ignores the fact that he was in and around the car hundreds of times. He could have loaded groceries in the back and touched the light three hundred times, but sure, act like the only conceivable way it would be on the car is for nefarious reasons.

Still think that little hair was planted. Didn't get the chance to plant blood, or maybe thought better of it since it could have included blood from whoever hit John....

 

[jepop]

Yeah except that ignores the fact that he was in and around the car
hundreds of times. He could have loaded groceries in the back and touched the light three hundred times, but sure, act like the only conceivable way it would be on the car is for nefarious reasons.

Exactly and note that the CW only tested the area external to the damaged tail light. They never swabbed other areas on the rear of the Lexus. If they had swabbed for e.g the left side of the rear, on the hatch, the left corner etc and so forth, I bet they would have got trace DNA consistent with JO aswell. The CW would never do that though because it is too non- selective and fair to the presumed innocent defendant. Jmo

 

[louvillian08]

I don't see any correlation with the cups, at all, MO. I do though consider JO's DNA from the tail light (the impact area IMO) and a hair also there as very strong evidence to support the tiny, tiny shards of that same tail light on JO's clothing. It also is supported by JO's phone being exactly in the area of KR Lexus during the whole pulling forward, hardly stopping, putting the vehicle in reverse, slamming the foot down on the gas (30% acceleration to, IIRC 74%, NO brake) Lexus maneuver. AJMO

Again… there is no data or witness testimony that places KR in the same area as JO at the time of 1162-2. We do NOT know where 1162-2 happened. Please stop repeating this false statement.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I don't see any correlation with the cups, at all, MO. I do though consider JO's DNA from the tail light (the impact area IMO) and a hair also there as very strong evidence to support the tiny, tiny shards of that same tail light on JO's clothing. It also is supported by JO's phone being exactly in the area of KR Lexus during the whole pulling forward, hardly stopping, putting the vehicle in reverse, slamming the foot down on the gas (30% acceleration to, IIRC 74%, NO brake) Lexus maneuver. AJMO

I feel that you’re skipping over major flaws in both the physical evidence and its handling.
-DNA on the taillight ≠ proof of impact. DNA and a stray hair were found on Karen’s car. Not blood, tissue, or anything consistent with a violent collision.
-The “tiny shards” on his clothing weren’t embedded in wounds. Not evidence of a direct vehicle strike.
-The prosecution’s timeline rests on clock drift-prone tech and cherry-picked interpretations. Even their supposed “slam-on-the-gas” moment was undermined when the full vehicle data came to light.
-Evidence handling was a mess. John O’Keefe’s shirt, critical clothing that should have been immediately preserved, was kept by Trooper Proctor in his own custody for six weeks before being submitted to the crime lab. That’s a chain of custody nightmare, and it calls every trace finding into question. Defense has every right to push that.

If your case hinges on maybe-this, could-be-that, and compromised evidence that sat in someone’s possession for over a month, it’s not solid. And it’s definitely not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. MOO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928442822010552513

So claims Brennan.