MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[jepop]

What an excellent witness! Brennan is not getting to him at all because he knows what he's talking about and is entirely non-defensive and straight forward. What a wonderful contrast with Burgess and even more so with Welcher. He listens carefully to Brennan's questions and answers them. Imo he comes across as very credible.

 

[hooziewhutz]

DiSogra says that customarily, the trigger event is used the ‘point in time’. But Aperture used the END of the recording event.

ETA: recording event starts when a trigger is sensed. Reached back in time for 5 seconds before, and records for 5 seconds after.

I appreciate your commitment to relaying important statements as they come up in court, as well as translating info into simpler terms. IMO.

 

[BUF]

DiSogra shows how a witness CAN answer a question on cross

 

[missy1974]

So DiSogra is basically saying no one in the crash reconstruction field used the Micro SD card to triangulate data before Burgess. So it’s not commonly accepted or peer reviewed science.

He was very diplomatic in his response to Brennans questions about how Burgess got the data.

I like how he is saying, if my client asks me to do it, I do it, if not, I don't.
I am a bit disappointed that he was not asked to evaluate the data .. he only responded to Burgess' and Welcher's reports. Which is what I thought, but he has confirmed it, numerous times. He didn't look into any of the data, like vehicle data, cell phone data.

His demeanor is like night and day with Welcher. I will give Burgess credit on his cross... he kept his cool and hardly seemed bothered by it.

 

[Alcina]

"I'm going to allow it"
Haven't heard that so much as today. The bias is unreal.

 

[ShadyLady]

Adding that Aperture began adding those watermarks the afternoon that Burgess first testified, then started adding them to other employees, including Welcher, but not ALL of their employees.
Curious timing, indeed.
IMO.

So why can't defense call them back and ask about that?? Are you a designated expert for court or not.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928480663340036174

!!!

 

[jepop]

I'll be honest. I'm lost and have zero idea of what any of these people are talking about, but I will say that if I needed the expertise of Burgess/Welcher or Disogra, I would put my life in Disgora's hands without reservation. I would put my life in the hands of my 7 year old nephews hands over the Aperture team.

100 %> He is obviously being up front, honest and non deceptive. I trust that he's telling the truth in his answers. With Welcher that was not the case because of the constant obfustication, talking over, answering back and inappropriate clown antics. Jmo

 

[sunshineray]

The fact that he was actually fired for his horrid behavior doesn't give you pause at all? The guy was lead investigator and I just don't understand how people aren't outraged about a crooked cop.

"Horrid" behavior, IMO, is subjective in the scheme of what he said. Was it crass language used, yes absolutely. Does that then mean everything the officer did was to frame an innocent woman, not in my view. I have that view from knowing many officers, local and state, over the years. Some are not anyone I'd like to hang with, invite over for dinner or date my kid. Their personalities are what my Dad (a 34 year State LE) would have called "Sandpaper" Al or Joe etc...That doesn't then translate to them being crooked cops who would break the law and/or try to frame someone.
All my views, from my experiences, my opinions.

 

[missy1974]

DiSogra shows how a witness CAN answer a question on cross

He is trying very hard not to call Burgess an idiot.

They all work within this industry, I imagine the rules are a lot like WS's.. address the facts in a report not the person presenting the facts.

He gets bonus points for being "nice" haha

 

[cocomod]

I guess defense no longer argue third party culprit? They should have never done that to begin with. The whole case is about vehicle hit. jmo

They just started their case. How can you even assume this?

 

[hooziewhutz]

What makes that clear?


No , The lexus lived in John's garage. Where his stuff goes. Maybe he cleaned snow off at the bar? It be weird if they didnt find his dna there to me. He might have even helped her pick out the suv.

I'm a "toucher". I touch everything I walk by it if my brains says "Do it!". I was that kid in the store with their mom constantly yelling to stop it ha. Many items had to be purchased under "You Break It, You Buy It". Agreed that there are infinite circumstances where his DNA was found anywhere on the SUV. IMO.

 

[Wishbone]

"Horrid" behavior, IMO, is subjective in the scheme of what he said. Was it crass language used, yes absolutely. Does that then mean everything the officer did was to frame an innocent woman, not in my view. I have that view from knowing many officers, local and state, over the years. Some are not anyone I'd like to hang with, invite over for dinner or date my kid. Their personalities are what my Dad (a 34 year State LE) would have called "Sandpaper" Al or Joe etc...That doesn't then translate to them being crooked cops who would break the law and/or try to frame someone.
All my views, from my experiences, my opinions.

His remarks about KR were not the only reason he was fired.

 

[sunshineray]

That’s completely fair, you’re entitled to your interpretation. But just to clarify, this isn’t about some dramatic Vannatter-style frame job conspiracy theory. To me, it’s about objective failures in procedure that would raise red flags in any case, regardless of who’s on trial.

Proctor wasn’t just a random rogue actor; he was the lead investigator who kept John O’Keefe’s shirt, potentially one of the most important piece of physical evidence,for six weeks outside the chain of custody before it ever made it to the lab. That’s not something to wave away, IMO. The state has the burden of proof, and when they mishandle critical evidence, the credibility of that proof is in question. You don’t have to believe in an orchestrated cover-up to acknowledge that this investigation was sloppy, biased, and deeply compromised. If this were happening to someone you loved, wouldn’t you want the same scrutiny? MOO

The Vannatter descriptive term was used because he also kept evidence in his possession and was vilified on the stand for it. I don't believe he used that evidence to frame the defendant and I don't believe Proctor did either. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

It's just MOO, you don't have to agree with it.

 

[Wishbone]

The Vannatter descriptive term was used because he also kept evidence in his possession and was vilified on the stand for it. I don't believe he used that evidence to frame the defendant and I don't believe Proctor did either. JMO

Vannatter is not a part of this trial so I don't give the analogy any weight. JMOO

 

[AngTxGal]

The problem is Not that he didn't have a degree it's that he lied about having it. If someone lies about that what else is he not being honest about?

Agree, but the discussion was about shoddy work. To me shoddy means, took shortcuts, did a half ars job, was lazy. Maybe that isn’t what was meant?
I’m not sure having a degree means a person does good work, just that they have more education in the work they are supposed to be good at doing.
It is clear here that there is a bias- if a poster is for KR then all that the prosecution does is crap.
If a poster is not for KR then all the defense does is crap.
I’m still making up my mind, and despite all the shenanigans from the Canton PD, I think it is likely KR hit him with the car.
So far I haven’t seen anything that prevents this from being possible.
Yeah, the defense has done a great job presenting reasonable doubt to the jury. And the last jury had voted Not Guilty on 1 and 3, they were just debating 2. So, she will likely get off- on 1 and 3.
It is Count Two- manslaughter that is the question.

I think she may be guilty of manslaughter

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

It was a crass response and a direct reflection of his character IMO

I actually thought Attorney Alessi's cross examination of Dr. Welcher was a very low point for the defense. JMO

 

[tara83]

"Horrid" behavior, IMO, is subjective in the scheme of what he said. Was it crass language used, yes absolutely. Does that then mean everything the officer did was to frame an innocent woman, not in my view. I have that view from knowing many officers, local and state, over the years. Some are not anyone I'd like to hang with, invite over for dinner or date my kid. Their personalities are what my Dad (a 34 year State LE) would have called "Sandpaper" Al or Joe etc...That doesn't then translate to them being crooked cops who would break the law and/or try to frame someone.
All my views, from my experiences, my opinions.

Thank God my stepbrother Troy is a cop and told me no way this behavior would be tolerated in his department and Proctor is a disgrace to the badge. That people defend this man is sickening. JMO

 

[keek]

His remarks about KR were not the only reason he was fired.

OHHH so not the only reason. ALL his cases are under scrutiny I read here in MA. He is not to be trusted he is GONE. He lied, he mishandled evidence, did no proper procedure. It goes on. More we do not have privy to, but the STATE POLICE Board did.. got rid of him. This is not good ol' boy crass behavior that sounds it is alluded to. It is basing evidence ONLY on the word of a friend, that he also lied about knowing as well as he and his family did. Accepting a gift (to his wife, please) per one of the people in the party house as thanks.. thanks for what exactly??? For who exactly? Make it make sense as they say please. House people supposedly had nooo clue about anything, nothing to see, don't ask us anything, no need. What was the thank you gift for. He needs to be asked in public. IMO