MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #31 Retrial

[AngTxGal]

Additionally, ARCCA also engaged in deleted chats with the defence, and messaging by encrypted app, Signal.

MSM Link from Voir Dire of Dr Wolfe, ARCCA: MSN

"As Brennan continued to press Wolfe about his communications with defense, Wolfe admitted to deleting text exchanges with Read’s lawyers."

"Wolfe said the only person he texted on the defense team was Jackson. He confirmed he had communicated with the defense on other platforms, like Signal, an encrypted messaging app.

“It keeps no record of the communication,” Brennan said of Signal.

Wolfe said he hadn’t used the app in communicating with anyone else."

Wouldn’t this be par for the course if ARCCA was doing an investigation of LE that at this time was not public information and not even shared with the jury?

I’m asking not stating?

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Why didn’t Welcher use a crash test dummy and make a Lexus in reverse hit it? Then we could see what happens to a body at different speeds.

Welcher didn’t do this test- he explained that if the angle was slightly off you would get very different results.
But- he claims to know that the arm could shatter the taillight. It is math of forces and angles- he should be able to able to model something similar. Why didn’t he? I think it is because he couldn’t. It wouldn’t work.

IMO

Right and he was representing the Cw.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Has anyone ever come forward to say it was their Ford Edge?

If not, why not?

Wasn't it the vehicle CA was seen driving that night?

 

[AngTxGal]

Wasn't it the vehicle CA was seen driving that night?

Oh, you are saying the Edge that the snow plow guy saw parked in front of the house may have been the nephew’s car? CA?

Other posts here have said there were several who drove Edges.

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

I believe he did line up the top scratches on JOK's upper arm to the jagged piece still attached to the taillight housing. I'll look for the testimony.

EDITED TO ADD testimony of John's wound location matching up to broken taillight

timestamp 6.17.39

I didn't see him physically take the pieces into his hand and line them up to his atm and the ME didn't do it either. Why didn't Welcher use a crash test dummy arm and run the Lexus into it at 24 mph to see if it would break into 47 pieces? I bet he tried and it didn't even crack the taillight. Moo

 

[ChasingKaty]

I didn't see him physically take the pieces into his hand and line them up to his atm and the ME didn't do it either. Why didn't Welcher use a crash test dummy arm and run the Lexus into it at 24 mph to see if it would break into 47 pieces? I bet he tried and it didn't even crack the taillight. Moo

This. I get he's saying that the impact on the body wouldn't be the same as hitting a person with an SUV, but what about the impact on the SUV?

 

[lohrtabitha]

Oh, you are saying the Edge that the snow plow guy saw parked in front of the house may have been the nephew’s car? CA?

Other posts here have said there were several who drove Edges.

IMO

Could be? We here his testimony tomorrow I believe.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I didn't see him physically take the pieces into his hand and line them up to his atm and the ME didn't do it either. Why didn't Welcher use a crash test dummy arm and run the Lexus into it at 24 mph to see if it would break into 47 pieces? I bet he tried and it didn't even crack the taillight. Moo

Arm not ATM. My stupid phone.

 

[Tortoise]

Wouldn’t this be par for the course if ARCCA was doing an investigation of LE that at this time was not public information and not even shared with the jury?

I’m asking not stating?

IMO

It wasn't when they were doing an investigation of LE. It was messaging by encrypted app in March of this year. (See linked voir dire above)

 

[AngTxGal]

Dr Welcher explains here why he can't replicate with a crash test dummy

"cadavers, crash dummies, don't have any muscle reaction, so the motion of a crash dummy is just going to be like you're hitting a dead body"

41.09

Ok I see-
If crash test dummies do not react in a collision then why are they used to test the safety of cars in a collision? The assumption is they react similar to a living body- as we don’t much care what happens to a dead body in a collision.

If the muscle reaction is a factor- then he must be saying the muscles reacting would cause the light to break more than a dead body or crash test dummy would?
I’m not getting why he is saying that is the case, I would need more explanation.
We aren’t talking about enormous speeds here- as the car is moving backwards.

He used a crash test dummy to show how a body would fall backwards- and in that situation he didn’t seem to think a living body’s muscle reaction was an issue. I’m not following his reasoning here. Maybe someone else gets it?

IMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I am new to this case but even I was appalled to see the constant interference by the judge during Alessi's cross. He was constantly derailed from completing the track he was on...I wish I had kept a count of the number of side bars and objections that have been against the defense...however, even without a tally it can be seen that there is bias against the defense and favoritism toward the Common Wealth. IMO Alessi is brilliant but attempting to work with the deck stacked against him.

There's just something not right with this judge. JMO

 

[ChasingKaty]

If crash test dummies do not react in a collision then why are they used to test the safety of cars in a collision? The assumption is they react similar to a living body- as we don’t much care what happens to a dead body in a collision.

This is such a great point, I'd never connected those dots.

 

[AngTxGal]

At 18 °C, the brain can tolerate ten times longer periods of cardiac arrest than at 37 °C. When faced with a patient in cardiac arrest who is hypothermic, it is important to remember that they should not be declared dead until they have been rewarmed

Hypothermia: Beyond the Narrative Review—The Point of View of Emergency Physicians and Medico-Legal Considerations - PMC

Hypothermia is a widespread condition all over the world, with a high risk of mortality in pre-hospital and in-hospital settings when it is not promptly and adequately treated. In this review, we aim to describe the main specificities of the ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dr wolf mentioned rewarming JO before declaring him dead during his testimony.

Wow that is pretty sad- I cannot imagine his family hearing such evidence. Ugh
I would guess that since he was intoxicated hypothermia would happen even faster.

IMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I've been spending time going over and listening to the earlier trials and I must say, this is the most screwed up, sloppy, police cover-up I've ever seen. I guess if the police officers are drunk at the time, it does indeed make a difference in how you cover up a crime and sit someone up. Disgusting. Again, why on earth is this woman being prosecuted?

 

[Wishbone]

Wow that is pretty sad- I cannot imagine his family hearing such evidence. Ugh
I would guess that since he was intoxicated hypothermia would happen even faster.

IMO

Dr wolf is who educated me about the victim having to be rewarmed before declaring them dead. I had no idea that was necessary.

 

[keek]

Could be? We here his testimony tomorrow I believe.

Could be? We here his testimony tomorrow I believe.
MLucky may not WHOSE Ford Edge it was but yes, a few of them had one as named above. Brian Alberts was a Ford Edge, his 'work' car. That means while he was employed as a Boston Police Officer. Lucky noticed it there the 2nd pass by, not the first as it was not there. It was not there a couple hours later when KR and JMc and Kerrie showed up. It was right in front of where JOK was discovered. Plow was out plowing, convenient spot to put JOK there, car there as may of been used to bring him to that spot or to hide that area till needed. Did B.Higgins switch his car at the late night visit to the CPD? It's THEIR cars that play a role, not KR's. IMO

 

[Tortoise]

Ok I see-
If crash test dummies do not react in a collision then why are they used to test the safety of cars in a collision? The assumption is they react similar to a living body- as we don’t much care what happens to a dead body in a collision.

If the muscle reaction is a factor- then he must be saying the muscles reacting would cause the light to break more than a dead body or crash test dummy would?
I’m not getting why he is saying that is the case, I would need more explanation.
We aren’t talking about enormous speeds here- as the car is moving backwards.

He used a crash test dummy to show how a body would fall backwards- and in that situation he didn’t seem to think a living body’s muscle reaction was an issue. I’m not following his reasoning here. Maybe someone else gets it?

IMO

As an aside, it is worth noting that pedestrian dummies, unlike passenger dummies, have not found their way into most protocols of official standards or even consumer testing.

https://www.crashtest-service.com/download-file?file_id=2357&file_code=e9a15ebeaa

 

[Warwick7]

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[keek]

Lucky may not know WHOSE Ford Edge it was but yes, a few of them had one as named above. Brian Alberts was a Ford Edge, his 'work' car. That means while he was employed as a Boston Police Officer. Lucky noticed it there the 2nd pass by, not the first as it was not there. It was not there a couple hours later when KR and JMc and Kerrie showed up. It was right in front of where JOK was discovered. Plow was out plowing, convenient spot to put JOK there, car there as may of been used to bring him to that spot or to hide that area till needed meaning discovery by ANYONE. Did B.Higgins switch his car at the late night visit to the CPD? It's THEIR cars that play a role, not KR's.

Lucky said that JOK was NOT there on the first pass on the street/neighborhood. He had a clear view up high on his plow seat with the bright lights and noted he is very particular of course when plowing by the sides of the streets, sidewalks ending to the street and such. NO JOK, sees the Ford after and of course it would of hidden JOK if he was already taken out the car IF that is what Albert and Higgins had done. Remember the denied by them calls between BH and BA after late night. BH caught ON his phone while at the CPD, on vid we saw. IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Yes.

Green testified Karen’s GPS data was deleted from her phone in April 2022, in Proctor’s custody. Lally moves on quick.

Library video, Ring video, Sallyport video, Karen’s GPS - all deleted

There is a Twitter clip for proof.

To me this alone proves Karen was "setup".