MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #31 Retrial

[mzmarymac]

You cannot threaten or charge someone with perjury who does not lie. If I were being truthful and someone ‘threatened’ me with perjury, I’d laugh in their faces. I think the real conversation was reminding Dever to be truthful on the stand. She chose to interpret it as a threat. MOO

That isn't at all my point. My point is trying to put myself into the position of an unbiased jury, and to me, this witness was not worth the effort. Yes, she's evasive and hositle, however, I do feel she is telling the truth that she did not see Berkowicz and Higgins in the sallyport when she thought she did. I feel like it would be better to try to figure out why she thought that. Did she see them at another time? Or did she hear that from someone? Or was it just a dream? It had to come from somewhere and I'm not sure if they can ask her any of that.

To me, I feel if I was on the jury, I would feel sympathetic toward her.

 

[missy1974]

As a pretty firm NG, I do have to say that I do not understand what the defense felt they would accomplish by forcing this witness to testify. From what I can tell, she originally told the FBI she saw Berkowicz and Higgins in the sallyport for a wildly long time. But then, when she heard that the car didn't arrive in the sallyport until after she left her shift, she realized that what she told the FBI actually never happened and her memory was incorrect. She immediately reached out to legal counsel and the FBI that she was wrong in her statement and explained why and was told she was fine.

Then the defense contacted her and threatened her with purgery and she was scared and felt threatened and is, IMO, rightfully angry to be put in this position. I'm sorry, but to me, this looks like the defense is grasping at straws and reflects more poorly on them than on the CW. JMO.

This is an oddly specific statement though. Surely the CW could get shift times to dispute it.

Regardless, she is LE, her attitude is not good, it does not look good at all. IF she is telling the truth, there is no reason to be so hostile. Just tell it how it is and get out of there. Instead, she has been so hostile that it makes her look shady IMO

Either way.. her stating FBI... is a win for the defense, the jurors now know that the "other agency" is the FBI.

JMO

 

[Soulmagent]

It's not included in your link (his testimony) what this witness's schooling and experience are? Do they also have a PHD in engineering or biomechanics like Dr. Welcher...with 30+ years experience? Or do they also have associates working with them on the medical side (the witness in your link mentioned) with the schooling and experience of Dr. Wolf? I think it may wind with up both sides as rebuttal witness. AJMO

They have like 3 of them ,and the one fake guy.

 

[Wishbone]

She has a huge change of attitude with Brennan

It amazes me how these cw witness bring their hostile combative attitudes toward the defense to court and think that they are making points with the jury acting this way when in reality they appear ridiculous. JMOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

As a pretty firm NG, I do have to say that I do not understand what the defense felt they would accomplish by forcing this witness to testify. From what I can tell, she originally told the FBI she saw Berkowicz and Higgins in the sallyport for a wildly long time. But then, when she heard that the car didn't arrive in the sallyport until after she left her shift, she realized that what she told the FBI actually never happened and her memory was incorrect. She immediately reached out to legal counsel and the FBI that she was wrong in her statement and explained why and was told she was fine.

Then the defense contacted her and threatened her with purgery and she was scared and felt threatened and is, IMO, rightfully angry to be put in this position. I'm sorry, but to me, this looks like the defense is grasping at straws and reflects more poorly on them than on the CW. JMO.

Huh?
She obviously doesn't know that the defense can not charge her with purgery.

 

[mzmarymac]

OMG she went there!

 

[Spider92]

She’s actual pretty composed and articulate in some of her answers given the hostile environment.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

To me, I feel if I was on the jury, I would feel sympathetic toward her.

I hear you. But I still think hearing her testimony to the FBI was important. And I think if I were a juror, I’d see through her false outrage, but that’s just me!

 

[Wishbone]

As a pretty firm NG, I do have to say that I do not understand what the defense felt they would accomplish by forcing this witness to testify. From what I can tell, she originally told the FBI she saw Berkowicz and Higgins in the sallyport for a wildly long time. But then, when she heard that the car didn't arrive in the sallyport until after she left her shift, she realized that what she told the FBI actually never happened and her memory was incorrect. She immediately reached out to legal counsel and the FBI that she was wrong in her statement and explained why and was told she was fine.

Then the defense contacted her and threatened her with purgery and she was scared and felt threatened and is, IMO, rightfully angry to be put in this position. I'm sorry, but to me, this looks like the defense is grasping at straws and reflects more poorly on them than on the CW. JMO.

So she says. JMOO

 

[nodamselindistress]

Hostile Witness!!!

 

[Soulmagent]

That isn't at all my point. My point is trying to put myself into the position of an unbiased jury, and to me, this witness was not worth the effort. Yes, she's evasive and hositle, however, I do feel she is telling the truth that she did not see Berkowicz and Higgins in the sallyport when she thought she did. I feel like it would be better to try to figure out why she thought that. Did she see them at another time? Or did she hear that from someone? Or was it just a dream? It had to come from somewhere and I'm not sure if they can ask her any of that.

To me, I feel if I was on the jury, I would feel sympathetic toward her.

At first ,but she is not looking good at all.

 

[sunshineray]

He would just be a hostile witness if the defense called him.. Guess they don't want the headache he would bring. But the cw not calling their ex lead detective is surprising. Looks really bad on the cw. JMOO

They called his boss (forgive me I'm drawing a blank on his name, a Russian-sounding name IIRC?) instead, who's still on the force and was involved in the case from the start.

 

[BUF]

She just said FBI!!!!

Yep! “IF” the jury was wondering who that other agency was…she just let them know

 

[Younger Sister]

Denvers is clearly not being truthful. The question is what is the jury thinking. “The lady doth protest too much, me thinks”. In other words, she is insincere and overacting.

 

[sunshineray]

so silly we cannot see how plain and cut and dry this case is. I mean 2 trials and all those protesters and a FBI investigation.

I'd say it's a shame, not silly. MO

 

[Linda7NJ]

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I don’t understand how that’s a win for the defense.
The fbi was involved and nobody by Karen Read is on trial for killing John O’Keefe

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

Yuri already brought it in and read some of the text messages. There's nothing to disagree about. JMO

If it's Proctor's texts/words, sholdn't he be the one to question about them? You'd think the defense would be salivating to do so. MO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

AJ first question up who charges people with crimes?

Dever says she has never seen a defense attorney charge someone with a crime.

Dever does not have a report from the FBI that someone on the defense team ‘threatened’ to charge her with perjury.

 

[shotgun09]

So who got to Devers from last trial to this trial? She’s saying she doesn’t recall things she told the defense just last year.

My guess? Brian Albert, of the BPD. You know, the home owner....

 

[sunshineray]

They have like 3 of them ,and the one fake guy.

I was asking about the witness in the link.