MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[Linda7NJ]

It's quite ironic that one of the best ways to consider that KR is likely innocent is to personally research how long it takes to die in the cold.

JMO

I think the “I HIT HIM” cancels that out

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Yes you have to believe those things, I agree with that, but I don't see how it's related to Karen having burden of proof. I don't suggest that she does.

This case is full of reasonable doubt and if one can't see that, I would encourage them to take their blinders off. Mo

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Honestly, for me at least, the Lexus black box etc and the accident reconstruction stuff i find too easy to manipulate both physically and verbally, and i don’t think recorded car data is accurate based on Toyota's testimony in another trial

so I’m relying on other evidence. I do consider ARRCA to be more believable due to WHO they are and their experience . It didn’t hurt that the attitude of their witness was very pleasant…
But mostly because they aren’t asking me to believe something common sense tells me is preposterous.

We heard this from jurors who came forward after T1 as well. Jury didn’t know who was more credible, so they basically discounted both.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This case is full of probable cause and if one can't see that, I would encourage them to take their blinders off. Mo

Do you mean reasonable doubt? You confused me

 

[arielilane]

RSBM

Judge Cannone:
"I see now how the federal investigation began and when it began"


Adam Lally:
"what is also clear from the federal grand jury is that this was an investigation which was initiated by the defendant and Mr Yannetti. So to claim that he was in the dark, or didn't know about this federal investigation, every bit of discovery that the federal government has from the state case was provided by Mr Yannetti. Nothing was asked for from the commonwealth, nothing was asked for from the district attorney's office, the state police, so again, what I was intimating before in reference to the motion to dismiss, I have no idea what they have seen or what they haven't seen, how much of the file, how much of the discovery or anything else, it's all sort of been provided and colored by Mr Yannetti. And this goes back to November of 2022, so to then claim that you were sandbagged or didn't know about an investigation that you initiated over a year before, until late in December of 2023, I think disingenuous, I think disingenuous would be about the nicest term that I can come up with for that."

timestamps for above quotes 1.04 mins and 58.28
Motions hearing March 12, 2024

Thank you for bringing this information to light. It's so important to the John O'Keefe case. Truth that the investigation was initiated by the defendant KR and her attorney DY.

ADA Lally: Defense has been disingenuous. Yes, I agree.

In addition, perhaps one day, more information comes to light, truth prevails; and we can connect the dots.

My own opinion

 

[ShadyLady]

Honestly? I think they washed his clothes.

And those holes on John's clothes look like punchers to me....from canine teeth.

As for dna on his clothes....it is suspect. Pig? really? It was dog.

 

[justwannahelp]

Both ARCCA experts didn’t rule out a side swipe/clip
Both ARCCA experts testified Karen’s tap of John’s car didn’t break the taillight

IMO

I missed them both saying they didn’t rule out a side swip/clip

Probably because i zoned out due to me thinking the accident reconstruction is all too speculative— especially for a murder trial. Not enough evidence to recreate anything absolutely convincing one way or the other IMO

 

[justwannahelp]

RSBM

I will forgive Welcher's corny blue paint transfer skit if he will personally test your thesis.

John, mortally wounded, was kept warm in the house, propped up against a wall, vomit down his front, for hours before being moved to the lawn.

MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

In the last trial did the defense call the guy who called AJ to tell him to look into the people in the house?

I know he wanted to stay anonymous, but if what he says is true, he needs to come out with it because a man is dead, an innocent woman is being framed/ her life is on the line, and those he believes/knows did it are getting away with crimes - killing OJO being one of them.

The oh so convenient mysterious raspy voice, phone call, that was allegedly traced back and the guy they pinned it on denied it ?

I’m not buying any of it.
Imo

 

[lohrtabitha]

Do you mean reasonable doubt? You confused me

Oops yes, thanks for catching that .My coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

 

[lohrtabitha]

This case is full of probable cause and if one can't see that, I would encourage them to take their blinders off. Mo

I mean Reasonable doubt not probable cause.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I’ve been looking for who testified to an Albert sucker punching people. I don’t remember that nor can I find any credible source that makes that claim.
Any help would be appreciated
TYIA

 

[cocomod]

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I find it just as disturbing or more that people seem to hate KR so badly that they are willing to overlook prosecutorial misconduct and obvious investigation bias. The fact that the DA was given exculpatory evidence and he ignored it and buried it. The DA saying KR told the FBI to investigate. Yeah, I am sure they ran without any cause or reason for concern to do just that. Not the way they work! The fact that people and more importantly the DA and the judge have no embarrassment or shame for the way that John’s death was investigated! The fact that the CW has done something that is extremely against protocol by obviously not instructing their witnesses to answer a yes or no question with yes or no. The fact that the judge has allowed this over and over and allowed witnesses to ignore the question and/or talk over the defense attorney. So many many things I am disappointed in.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I believe it was JN who saw a “blob” on the lawn.

I would like photographs at nighttime to see how dark that area of the lawn is.
I know in my own yard, at night, without my flood lights on, there are blind spots where it would be impossible to see anything laying on my lawn or frankly standing in those parts of my yard.
IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

I find it just as disturbing or more that people seem to hate KR so badly that they are willing to overlook prosecutorial misconduct and obvious investigation bias. The fact that the DA was given exculpatory evidence and he ignored it and buried it. The DA saying KR told the FBI to investigate. Yeah, I am sure they ran without any cause or reason for concern to do just that. Not the way they work! The fact that people and more importantly the DA and the judge have no embarrassment or shame for the way that John’s death was investigated! The fact that the CW has done something that is extremely against protocol by obviously not instructing their witnesses to answer a yes or no question with yes or no. The fact that the judge has allowed this over and over and allowed witnesses to ignore the question and/or talk over the defense attorney. So many many things I am disappointed in.

You’re claiming a lot of facts that I don’t believe are true

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

My impression is that in order to disbelieve the commonwealth's evidence, everyone has to be lying or not credible, 66 of 68 of the commonwealth's witnesses (two being the weatherman and the brain surgeon) and the prosecutors. It doesn't matter whether they are civilians, paramedics, police, expert witnesses including accident reconstructionists, data experts, cellebrite phone experts, the victim's family, DNA analysts both state and independent, SERT, blood alcohol tests, video evidence, data chips can be altered, mileage cannot be traveled in less time than google maps, etc etc etc.

And Karen Read and the defence team and defence witnesses are not lying, except one who is a policewoman.

It seems to me that it is not possible to seriously evaluate a case when fact and testimony can be changed or misinterpreted, nothing and nobody can be trusted, not even data.

JMO

In reality, you have no idea how close you probably are to the the truth...

 

[ShadyLady]

You absolutely don’t need to believe “everyone is lying” to see that this case has serious problems. The prosecution’s narrative depends on a small circle of key players (not 60+ people) whose credibility actually matters. Most witnesses, like Cellebrite, are peripheral or technical. They testify based on what they were told, the evidence they were handed, or assumptions they made. That doesn’t make them liars, but it means their testimony is only as reliable as the chain of custody, context, and data integrity behind it. Garbage in, garbage out, as AJ says.

I don’t believe the entirety of the Commonwealth’s witness list is lying. I think there are a few people - Brian Higgins, the McAlberts, Proctor, Berkowitz - who show suspicious behavior in their timeline, their phone data, and their behavior. People who deleted call logs. People who lied about what time they woke up. People who made Google searches that conveniently vanished. Follow the pattern of cover-your- behavior from a handful of individuals. This “if you doubt one thing, that means you doubt everything” logic is just lazy IMO. In real life, we know that truth often coexists with manipulation. A case isn’t strong just because a lot of people agree on basic, irrelevant facts. It’s strong when its core foundation holds up under scrutiny, and this one simply doesn’t. The defense isn’t dismissing the entirety of law enforcement, EMS, or scientific evidence. They’re showing how critical parts of it have been misrepresented, mishandled, or selectively applied to build a convenient story. So no, it’s not about distrusting 66 people. It’s about questioning the motives and actions of a few people.

All MOO

The Butt Dial Case is filled with doubt. And it makes me think John found something nefarious going on in Canton.

 

[wackyw]

I missed them both saying they didn’t rule out a side swip/clip

Probably because i zoned out due to me thinking the accident reconstruction is all too speculative— especially for a murder trial. Not enough evidence to recreate anything absolutely convincing one way or the other IMO

I haven't watched much of it, but atm this is my opinion too. The term "side swipe" particularly sends my bs detectors off. Was the term ever clearly defined/demonstrated in the trial? or was it simply used as a "catch all" alternative for any impact that wasn't a full ~6000lb*24mph force that leaves no blood/tissue residues or damage to the car apart from the two or more tail lights that appear to have been smashed at the scene, and also doesn't break any bones or create large bruising in the body?

I'm happy to go looking if demonstration video is out there ? Is this Wilcher ?

 

[cocomod]

You’re claiming a lot of facts that I don’t believe are true

IMO

You think the investigation was done properly and well? You think they investigated to a degree that should have been done for a fellow officer?

 

[mrjitty]

Personally I don't hate the defendant. I am ambivalent about her fate. The jury decides.

I do hope on the other hand, that there are consequences in the witness intimidation case. Disgraceful.

MOO