MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[jepop]

I don’t think so- I think VP is trying to create a show. So he swings it one way, then swings it the other way. Watching him is like a soap opera… da dum dummmm with the drama. IMO

Yep, like I said he has no real understanding, nor does he care to understand, the reasons for and details of the defense's case. Ill informed and mindless comments such as spaghetti on wall when not applicable. Jmo

 

[rescuemom]

She went from night work to days! Very coveted shift to work days in a 24/7 work environment! Some rookies don’t see that for many many years!

Life will go on for her good or bad in her career. There could be repercussions for her from either side. She lived and worked in the cacoon of Canton. Two MSPs were in her PD, I wonder how often that happens. What works for Canton might not work for Boston. I'm not local so I'm curious to know if there was/is any friction among the various PDs?? BA and JOK were both BPD and crickets from the BPD.

 

[Teche]

I've wondered about the silence of Boston PD all along. Do they know that the FBI is on to something with Norfolk County and MM and are just waiting to comment further?? Has it been said that the FBI investigation is closed, as in finished?? Or is it paused? Or is some part of it finished and it's going in another particular direction???

The commissioner may have had good intentions and truly meant for her to tell her truth as he know it from her.

IMO, she, knowing the car was coming to Canton PD, stayed past her shift to see the what was going on. She may have seen something she shouldn't have and was then advised by those doing the tampering, assuming she would be on board with it to protect them, to keep her mouth shut.

Too late. By this time she had already told somebody that MP and YB were at the sally port, then maybe wanting to let it go at that and not wanting to tell the rest of the story.

Some think she went to Boston PD as a sort of promotion but maybe she went to Boston PD to get away from Canton PD and what she knows. She, early in her career, saw evidence being tampered with and wanted no part of it.

At the same time, they know she knows and she is called to testify. She's conflicted and probly scared. Thus the convoluted story that makes no sense.

Or she's just a twit. Does any LE departments require psych evaluations before hiring????

The Commissioner should have been called to testify. Get it straight from the horse’s mouth. Dever was aggressive and combative on the witness stand. She possibly moved on to Boston PD due to pay differential, a bigger PD could offer better benefits.

 

[ShadyLady]

Any exculpatory evidence for Karen seemed to be deleted, phone texts, phones, ring security! So much I can't remember it all!

Crooked cops, and this jury will see it. Unless, there is a plant on the jury.

IMO

 

[jepop]

No that guy was talking about depth, of teeth.

Something sharp can tear a hole and scrape the skin superficially without sinking into deeper layers of the skin and fat etc to any depth. There were no puncture wounds, according to trial testimony.

The ME testified to blunt force trauma for the arm wounds not sharp force. These are two distinct categories. Trial X 1 under cross she answered 'it's possible' to AJ's question along the lines of 'could a dog's claws and/or teeth be responsible for the blunt force wounds on JO,'s arm' ( (paraphrase but this covers the meaning of AJ's enquiry). In a nutshell the ME didn't know and made no enquiries, sought no second or more learned opinion. She described the wounds using the standard medical terminology and left it at that. I don't think anything changed in the current trial in regards to her testimony on the arm wounds. Jmo

 

[TDoc72]

Bye his own testimony BH arrived at the fairview house before any of the others.

Higgins said Albert issued an “open invitation” to the people at the bar to come back to his home on Fairview Road. When he arrived at the home, he said there was a “dusting” of snow on the ground, so he did a sweep through the driveway with his plow before parking by the mailbox.
Higgins said he was only at the home for a short period time, leaving between 12:30 and 1 a.m., and never saw O’Keefe or Read there. He said he texted O’Keefe asking where he was but never received a response.

Karen Read trial: Read kissed Brian Higgins 2 weeks before O’Keefe’s death

In bombshell testimony Friday, special agent Brian Higgins spoke about his romantic relationship with Karen Read in the weeks before her boyfriend's death.

www.masslive.com

If the prosecution is saying this happened at 12:32 or 12:35, he would have had to have seen either KR sitting in her car or JOK on the lawn, correct?

Reasonable doubt so far:

• No evidence JOK clipped by a vehicle
• Body temperature not low enough for 5.5 hrs outside
• Blood/vomit on front of clothing
• Biased and incomplete investigation
• Proven lies from many CW witnesses
• No body seen for 5.5 hours by all those people
• Evidence of dog marks on arm
• Hos long to die in cold
• Staged sally port
• Tail light discrepancy
• Butt dials galore
• JMc not being concerned about her sister/BIL upon finding a dead man on their lawn

MOO

Great list! The defense needs to out this on one of those giant notepads and display it during closing.

Those smug smiles during direct were something else! She instigated several long pauses accompanied by the smug smile when she was clearly calculating how to answer; and at least one of those long pauses was in response to a yes or no question IIRC.
It was as if she thought she was somehow entitled to answer a yes or no question in some other way. Personally I felt like she presented an attitude of one part defensive, one part entitled and arrogant and one part victimised. She was unprofessional on the stand for sure. Jmo

There was also a time when she let out this annoyed sigh at something the judge said. I agree—unprofessional.

 

[ShadyLady]

The ME testified to blunt force trauma for the arm wounds not sharp force. These are two distinct categories. Trial X 1 under cross she answered 'it's possible' to AJ's question along the lines of 'could a dog's claws and/or teeth be responsible for the blunt force wounds on JO,'s arm' ( (paraphrase but this covers the meaning of AJ's enquiry). In a nutshell the ME didn't know and made no enquiries, sought no second or more learned opinion. She described the wounds using the standard medical terminology and left it at that. I don't think anything changed in the current trial in regards to her testimony on the arm wounds. Jmo

I wonder if LE told ME that John was hit by a car, so maybe she did not consider dog bites, and DNA people also might not have done deep dives looking for dog DNA if all the cops told her car collision and they had a person that had confessed.

 

[rescuemom]

I wonder how long the State's rebuttal case will be. Probably pretty long.

What brilliant minds have they dug up for that?????????

 

[sunshineray]

I don't have any basis to believe or actually to understand that statement. JMOO

He was highlighting what he wanted the witness to say/discuss. Could Dr Russell have not done her own highlighting? Seems very suspect to me and a window into how the defense does things. I also found her testimony on how she became connected to the case very suspect and her over-inflated opinions of her expertise...again JMO.

 

[rescuemom]

Who makes the decision? Cannone?

I'm betting on MM.

 

[rescuemom]

I think it is wild there is no blood on JO's sleeve despite at least 9 puncture holes and at least 16 open and bloodied wounds. M00

What sleeve?? The one in evidence had 8-10 pieces cut out and removed. Maybe blood?

 

[Teche]

OMG! Another 1/2 day and a day off.
How hot is it in Mass.? In South LA. we experience 100+ degrees with 100% humidity.

 

[jepop]

I wonder if LE told ME that John was hit by a car, so maybe she did not consider dog bites, and DNA people also might not have done deep dives looking for dog DNA if all the cops told her car collision and they had a person that had confessed.

I was disappointed last trial that she made no independent enquires. I've never really understood why. However I believe that she was never told about a dog being resident at the location where JO was found. If she had, then Imo she may have done some research.

In this trial she testified to being informed about certain circumstances connected to how JO was found and the scene and other circumstances ie. IIRC she knew about the tail light pieces, she heard about the alleged 'did I hit hims?'. None of that convinced her to alter her finding that MOD was undetermined.

But she did not testify to being informed by Proctor about Chloe. Maybe that would have brought the origin of the arm wounds to light from the beginning? It all begins with Proctor and his tunnel visioned obsession with KR and moo JMc',s initial interview with Proctor where she pointed the finger at KR ( moo) which again is Proctor because he uncritically accepted JMc's word instead of conducting an impartial, holistic investigation. Jmo

 

[sunshineray]

His problem with him in June 2023 was that he didn't think Lucky had talked to anyone yet and was assuming he was covering for the Alberts because of his connections to them.

TB was WRONG. TB just didn't know that and assumed something that was wrong. It is impossible for Lucky to have felt intimidated to give a statement when he had given them17 months earlier, or months earlier. Lucky had already talked to the PI and FBI when this supposed threat/intimidation happened. Lucky had not talked to the MSP, because they never tried until Aug 2023.

My opinion only, TB and his minions were more then just wrong in their actions, they acted with criminality, MO. The defense wants everything both ways, IMO. They want to encourage and use these social media zealots and their followers on one hand and then disassociate from them when needed. I wonder how many communicates exist that would show association and collaboration.
Just my views and opinion.

It also seems Lucky had quite a few meetings with the defense before and after his testimonies and as Attorney Brennan showed in his cross examination, Lucky's testimonies conflicted each other on the issues. AJMO

 

[sunshineray]

Yeah, I think he was rude in asking an elderly woman if she has ‘memory issues’.
Her gasp was audible, he puts on a persona of a jerk and maintains it until he gets what he wants.

It is an effective tactic- and now I understand my ex husband so much better. He would try to do that- and it was unfair, undercut, and rude.
He seems to be feeling pressure- and it comes out. I hope a witness comes up that doesn’t follow him on his little journey of confusion and pisses him off. I would love to see him pushed off balance.

IMO

I believe he asked that question because of her answers or lack thereof. MO I didn't find him rude for asking, he was compelled to ask, by the witness herself. MO

 

[ShadyLady]

I was disappointed last trial that she made no independent enquires. I've never really understood why. However I believe that she was never told about a dog being resident at the location where JO was found. If she had, then Imo she may have done some research.

In this trial she testified to being informed about certain circumstances connected to how JO was found and the scene and other circumstances ie. IIRC she knew about the tail light pieces, she heard about the alleged 'did I hit hims?'. None of that convinced her to alter her finding that MOD was undetermined.

But she did not testify to being informed by Proctor about Chloe. Maybe that would have brought the origin of the arm wounds to light from the beginning? It all begins with Proctor and his tunnel visioned obsession with KR and moo JMc',s initial interview with Proctor where she pointed the finger at KR ( moo) which again is Proctor because he uncritically accepted JMc's word instead of conducting an impartial, holistic investigation. Jmo

I think Proctor had his orders before he started the investigation. BA called Berkowtiz....and started the coverup. imo

 

[rescuemom]

Why wouldn't he come out of the house, he's a cop, he's a first responder. Didn't Albert not go to the funeral?

Is the defense going to call Higgins? I am a bit shocked they're not going to bring in the driving to work drunk when not scheduled, staying there a long time and eventually disposing of his cell phone on a military base.

Must be baffling to be a juror in this trial especially with all the references to the first trial, I'd be thinking, there must be a reason she wasn't convicted the first time

moo

The ONLY reason I'd like to see BriA, NicA, Chr A, JulA, KevA, BriH, MicP, JeM, MatM is for them to answer ONE question. Did you attend JOK funeral??? I wish they had aske YB and KerR that question too.

 

[sunshineray]

The CW witnesses literally admitted to this, so... I DO hope that the court looks into this and people are held accountable

I would hope on whatever side, by whomever, is looked into.

 

[jepop]

I think Proctor had his orders before he started the investigation. BA called Berkowtiz....and started the coverup. imo

Idk but I forgot about the text Proctor sent to his pals. Q. 'Will the homeowner get some****'. P. 'Nah, he's a Boston Cop, too'. Implicit bias right there. Moo

 

[keek]

OMG! Another 1/2 day and a day off.
How hot is it in Mass.? In South LA. we experience 100+ degrees with 100% humidity.

90. So sorry